Siphon208 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Sorry for the confusion, mate, i meant heading down to where the line split between the docks line, and lairds- heading North Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 In which case.... IMG_2110_crop.jpg This rather imposing junction signal at Fort William oversees the passage of the outward Jacobite last Thursday (9th October) IMG_2112.JPG It's been 'elf n safety'-ised but still quite impressive. Nice to see in the middle of a RETB area! that is scary high had to lamp the splitting distant at Ashton Moss north jn once (its still there ) on a windy day and that was unnerving enough for me and this beast is even higher ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 18, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2014 Sorry for the confusion, mate, i meant heading down to where the line split between the docks line, and lairds- heading North Green Lane was where the lines split, prior to Blackpool Street abolition (1968) there were other connections nearer to Woodside / The docks but I was too young to photograph them, the Lairds connection, as can be seen in my photo, curved away from the main lines at GLJ. I still don't know exactly where you mean - and I know quite a lot about the area having extensively researched it. Use Google maps and post a link pointing to where you mean perhaps ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 HI Mate, I have tried to save the section of Google maps to describe the area, but i'm having a mare with my browser settings at the moment .Th stretch of line i am following is the 525 metres or so between the Green lane Signal box, and the one at Blackpool Street- I cant get the map to upload on to here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Ok, maybe the best way round this; if you have the signal box diagrams for the Green Lane box, and the Blackpool street box- these are the two sections I know nothing about The area now, looks nothing like it did then! I have done a little bit of research at the Wirral Archives, and read about the street clearances (Archer Street? and Thomas street, all flattened for the A41 approaches, but I know nothing else about the dates for the start of the work, and the removal of the Lairds railway bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Had a trip on the loco hauled Holyhead-Cardiff the other day. These were from Pontrilas... and once I had visited some relatives in St Austell these were taken on the way down to Penzance.. Truro.. Jon F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 9, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2014 HI Mate, I have tried to save the section of Google maps to describe the area, but i'm having a mare with my browser settings at the moment .Th stretch of line i am following is the 525 metres or so between the Green lane Signal box, and the one at Blackpool Street- I cant get the map to upload on to here! That's where my photos are taken. There was nothing left of any note other than the two tracks to the docks. I do have a photo somewhere of the bunker of the new (but never opened) Blackpool Street box. Sadly I didn't photograph from the roads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debs. Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 In this early `box diagram (IIRC: one of Dave`s excellent scans) for Mollington....one can see the wartime oil depot siding; the reason perhaps, that the box was rebuilt to the ARP standard. Mollington SB Diag.jpg The oil depot tanks were underground: the area may be seen (upper centre of this 1945 image) to the east of the station with the semi-circular newly laid concrete apron at the top......the Mollington barracks may be seen to the station`s west. Mollington Oil Depot 1940.jpg Apologies for raking up one of my own older-posts, but I came upon this image of the Mollington Oil Depot Sdgs. (taken from the vantage point of the signal box step`s landing), which relates to the signal box diag. image link above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Great pic Debs! I have seen any pics of this area! Could you possibly help with the post I put in about Green Lane/ Blackpool street, and the junction with Lairds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 That's where my photos are taken. There was nothing left of any note other than the two tracks to the docks. I do have a photo somewhere of the bunker of the new (but never opened) Blackpool Street box. Sadly I didn't photograph from the roads. OK, thanks for your help, mate, looks like its back to the archives Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 OK, thanks for your help, mate, looks like its back to the archives This rough sketch I drew in about 1977 may be of help. The connection to Lairds was taken out of use by 9/8/1981 and the bridge over the New Chester Road was demolished soon afterwards. Where the present retail park is now was latterly a steel stockyard area for Lairds and was served by 3 self propelled diesel crane locos, sadly I never thought to take a photo of them. Here are 2 diagrams for Green Lane Junction from before and after the sidings were taken out of use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debs. Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Great pic Debs! I have seen any pics of this area! Could you possibly help with the post I put in about Green Lane/ Blackpool street, and the junction with Lairds? Not too much in my files from the Blackpool St./Green Lane area, but this outline trackplan shows the expanse of the tracks serving Lairds and the various Birkenhead railway stations and depots: Blackpool Street signal boxes: Freight-trip passing Blackpool St.: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 A couple of photos of the former carriage sidings at Blackpool St (known as Grange Lane) taken 1977. At a rough guess these were taken from about 10-15 feet above where PC World now stands. As this is a signalling thread here's two diagrams of Blackpool St to even things up. Green lane Jcn, leaving Mollington St HS Heading towards Rock Ferry Leaving the goods line at Rock Ferry All the above taken 28/8/1978 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Thanks very much for this information, guys- not too many pics of this area available- great stuff! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I have a pic on file of Rock Ferry station, which has the now Merseyrail lines "capped off"- has anyone any info on when this was all re-modelled? I have included it under this link, as it is part of my last post, concerning the other end of the section, at Blackpool Street! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I have a pic on file of Rock Ferry station, which has the now Merseyrail lines "capped off"- has anyone any info on when this was all re-modelled? I have included it under this link, as it is part of my last post, concerning the other end of the section, at Blackpool Street! When the line from Rock Ferry to Hooton was resignalled (in connection with electrification to Hooton) in May 1985. (EDIT, The slow lines, now platforms 1 and 2, were made into bays in 1968/9 and the former fast lines became the goods line to the docks at the same time. Included in this work was the construction of the present Hooton bound platform at Port Sunlight replacing one that was on the up fast line.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 13, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 When the line from Rock Ferry to Hooton was resignalled (in connection with electrification to Hooton) in May 1985. (EDIT, The slow lines, now platforms 1 and 2, were made into bays in 1968/9 and the former fast lines became the goods line to the docks at the same time. Included in this work was the construction of the present Hooton bound platform at Port Sunlight replacing one that was on the up fast line.) I have photos of the signals at the end of the platforms (current 3/4) being felled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 A few photos taken at Bewdley on 4/5/2002 on an SRS visit to the boxes. Kidderminster line inner homes Stourport line inner homes Stourport line homes Bewdley South Box exterior Bewdley South interior and diagram. Bewdley North Box exterior Bewdley North interior and diagram Some Bewdley North signals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I have photos of the signals at the end of the platforms (current 3/4) being felled The last pic that shows the single road on to what is now the Merseyrail lines- when was this part re-modelled- after '68? I seem to reeamber the Coal Yard at Rock Ferry, and the 4- track layout up to Bebington- My Grandma lived a stones throw away from here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Here are two diagrams of Rock Ferry showing the layout before and after alteration Ca 1968/69. The layout in 1984, this layout lasted until about March 1985 when the frame was removed prior to the installation of a new panel, which together a small 10 lever frame ( for the goods lines to Green Lane Jcn) was commissioned over the weekend of 18/19 May 1985. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 14, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2014 To clarify Keiths posting The 1968/69 layout lasted until 1973 when the Up Goods was removed and the layout became as per his diagram labelled "1984". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Thanks again guys- I now know a lot more about this area, than I did a few weeks ago! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Luv looking through all this information!! ive walked the dock line last year,its mess with trees n bushes,rubbish everywere. Ground frame and few samphores remain... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siphon208 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Trouble here, is that its was a very busy area, for such a long time, then it all disappeared very quickly! I can remember the block coal workings to Fiddlers Ferry going past my Mums house in the mornings, usually a 47 on full throttle- fantastic sound, then there was nothing- such a waste. Railtrack, then Network Rail saying they were looking to re-instate the line, to tie in with the new ferry terminal, all pie in the sky stuff! Would have been fantastic to see freight on this line again. Just a waste of a resource. I have been thinking of venturing to model a section of the Green Lane Junction, circa 1979- I have a signal box diagram to work from- just need the model of signal box- not sure whether its a GWR box or not! May get started soon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 The box at Green Lane Jcn was a LMSR all wooden box that replaced an earlier box that was damaged in the blitz. A drawing of a similar box appears in diagram 42 in the book 'A Pictorial Record of LMS Signals'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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