Titan Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 But how many people either know/think about doing such a search (I'm sure we call it something else up here, if we have it), or are inclined to stick their head over the fence and dismiss the bundle of weeds as an impossibility - most I'd suggest. We do have to remember that with regard to most facets of everyday life and certainly all things legal, social and economical, the general public are inherently stupid and ignorant. I think you have completely missed the point - of course not many people know about these things. It is the solicitors job to know about these things, and them that we rely on to think of this, which is what they have years of experience, training qualifications etc. specifically to do. Its them we expect to know and exactly why you need to have a good one when buying a house. If of course you go for a crap cheap solicitor who misses it, then you have yourself to blame, but nevertheless it is specifically for their knowledge of 'all things legal' etc that we don't possess that we hire them to find out these things on our behalf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 does anyone remember a feature on a programme a few years back about a woman who was under a lot of stress because of the noise of metrolink trams rushing past her house on one of the ex railway stretches? they where still running on 60ft bullhead I think and she found the noise unbearable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted September 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2012 she found the noise unbearable. Without wishing to imply anything in that particular case, it does seem to me that people are prepared to tolerate a lot less today than their parents, grandparents or great-grandparents would have... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I think you have completely missed the point - of course not many people know about these things. It is the solicitors job to know about these things, and them that we rely on to think of this, which is what they have years of experience, training qualifications etc. specifically to do. Its them we expect to know and exactly why you need to have a good one when buying a house. If of course you go for a crap cheap solicitor who misses it, then you have yourself to blame, but nevertheless it is specifically for their knowledge of 'all things legal' etc that we don't possess that we hire them to find out these things on our behalf. So someone has only themselves to blame for an action not being undertaken of which they've no knowledge of it's requirement or even existence in the first place? In case you're not aware, solicitors do come in the 'expensive yet crap/let's just wing it/can't be bothered' variety more than you might think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted September 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2012 So someone has only themselves to blame for an action not being undertaken of which they've no knowledge of it's requirement or even existence in the first place? In case you're not aware, solicitors do come in the 'expensive yet crap/let's just wing it/can't be bothered' variety more than you might think. Solicitors are recommended for use during house conveyancing as there is a lot of money at stake - ignorance is not really a defence here and trying to save money, and then moan about it afterwards when it goes pear shaped is certainly not a defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Taz Posted September 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2012 But if your solicitor fails to do your searches properly then you have redress on them for not doing their job properly (solicitors suing solicitors.....) Of course, if you don't read the results of the searches, then it is back to blaming no one but yourselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJones Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 A Young work colleague bought a house right next to one of the Signal Boxes at Shrewsbury (down by the abbey), although he was none enthusiast he was never bothered, and regularly used to bring in photos of the steam specials that were laying over in the sidings over his fence! Jammy sod! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2012 I seem to remember something similar alongside the resurrected Great Central, when there were complaints about trains running next to houses that had been built alongside the line. I believe one of the comments was something like "We didn't think they would be so big". Exactly how big did they expect a 12" to foot railway to be? There was much the same sort of hoo-haa some years ago next to Birmingham Airport. A load of new houses were built in the land on the NE of the runways. The houses were sold. The people move in. The people complained about aircraft noise. Didn't they notice the airport right next door? "We didn't think the aircraft would be so noisy"! Keith Here's an example from Melbourne. http://moonee-valley-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/call-to-phase-out-jets-at-essendon-airport/ Essendon Airport has only been there since 1926, when there were no houses. So not one resident can possibly claim they didn't have knowledge prior to moving in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2012 . The action goes on all night and yes, there's a bit of vibration but in 13 years here, it's never really been an issue. So stuff 'em! Dave. I'm jealous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 We do have to remember that with regard to most facets of everyday life and certainly all things legal, social and economical, the general public are inherently stupid and ignorant. Isn't that what the thread is about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Visto Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Looking at the BBC Scotland newspages tonight a subject attracted my attention ,local residents are claiming that coal trains to Longannet Power Station are making their lives a misery.They claim that when the line reopened they were told that no trains would run after late evening,but for the last four years they have run overnight.A group has been formed and have attracted the services of a solicitor ,they must smell money and a chance to appear on tv.Transport For Scotland have erected noise barriers at some locations and have placated people but this lot are after compensation,dont they want electricity for their homes?But as usual the BBC have dug around their archives and come up with a photo of BR merry go round hoppers not the current rolling stock! This craving for compensation seems to be growing and also it is noticable on the house renovation programes an adjacent rail line is a no no ,but a busy road thats okay.Just how long would a coal train take to pass and is the vibration as bad as these people claim ,a busy road is a constant noise combined with vibration.It would seem that this group look at rail as an easy target lets hope the traffic to the power station is not stopped as we are short of power stations ass it is. Let them swap for the timber lorries through Newcastleton. Roygaham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 5944 Posted September 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2012 I seem to remember something similar alongside the resurrected Great Central, when there were complaints about trains running next to houses that had been built alongside the line. I believe one of the comments was something like "We didn't think they would be so big". Exactly how big did they expect a 12" to foot railway to be? Didn't some of the residents also complain about the trains thundering along at 25mph at the bottom of their back gardens, and how they're so dangerous? The fact there was a main, 60mph road outside their front gardens seemed to pass them by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The people complaining should receive a letter stating "no coal trains = no electricity = no lights, TV, etc". When I bought my house in 1993, less than 100m from the WCML, I remember the sales agent saying "don't bother about the railway, there are only a couple of trains per day" !!!!!!. I knew better, and as an enthusiast it didn't bother me in the slightest. Trains are indeed quiter now, no sounding of horns since the footpath crossing was replaced with a footbridge a number of years ago. There is one train though, a long and heavilly loaded northbound electric loco hauled container train around 9.54 - 10.00 pm every night, that flys up Boars Head bank allways at at a fair old lick, sometimes I can feel / hear slight house ornament vibrations. Must see my solicitor !!!!!!!!!!!! Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Talking of foot crossings... just on the London side of Sharnbrook Summit on the MML fast lines there lives an air stewardess whose house is just a few yards from the whistle board which applies to the foot crossing that leads to her property... she complains constantly about us tooting our horns but still the penny hasn't dropped...! At a level crossing on the Knighton Junction - Burton line a local councillor lives in the old station house, he complains about the tooting of horns and the general noise of passing freight trains and wants the line closed, plus he's trying to put a stop to a new contract that would see more freight on the line (and therefore fewer lorries going over the level crossing)... but he fails to recognise that some of the folk who pay his wages depend on the line for their income...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Quiet news day? More of the BBC in Scotland stirring up any old anti Government dross for the sake of a sensational headline Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 When I flew from denham, the well to do residents kept complaining and trying to shut us down. The airfield had been there much longer than them. I wouldn't believe a word aljabeeba says... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckdancer Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 How about living 6 yards away from the top of Lickey Incline? http://www.macearchive.org/Archive/Title/atv-today-10101972-railway-cottages-at-blackwell/MediaEntry/18107.html On the problem with noise in Scotland, wouldn't welded track make a difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted September 7, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2012 Loved post #8 here! This thread gave me a feeling of deja vu so I exhumed this one that I started back in April 2010!! The photo of the FY class 59 is still being used to illustrate that old BBC page! http://www.rmweb.co....ns-to-longannet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 So exactly how many trains a night are we talking about? I have sat ouside The Red Lion in Culross and never found the noise of the trains to be disturbing. Inside you would not even notice when a train came along. The houses in question cannot be any nearer to the railway than the back yard of the pub. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC126 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I can fully empathise with these poor people. One of my friends used to live close to the WCML in Stafford. I found it utterly impossible to sleep in his house. The sound of trains passing at night had me uncontrollably leaping to the windows to observe the late night train action (particularly for 25s on engineering workings). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Bernard, If memory serves the trains in question don't go as far as Culross - only as far East as Longannet. P.S. How many times have you sat outside the Red Lion in the early hours of the morning trying to sleep? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 I can fully empathise with these poor people. One of my friends used to live close to the WCML in Stafford. I found it utterly impossible to sleep in his house. The sound of trains passing at night had me uncontrollably leaping to the windows to observe the late night train action (particularly for 25s on engineering workings). I rented a house in Stafford next door to the one that had an uninvited RES class 86 in its living room - you don't get much closer than that! - although that would have been more for the insurance to sort out as I think complaining would not really cover it. I never had any problems with the noise or vibration mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted September 8, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 8, 2012 In the mid 80s I rented a flat over a terraced shop with the LSWR main line at the back (no garden, tiny back yard, track over the wall) and a main road at the front. The vibration from the trains was felt at the front of the flat, the vibration of the road traffic at the back! Not surprisingly the party walls had vertical cracks and were held together with iron straps. I slept at the back and the trains didn't bother me at all. How did so many people survive life in houses backing on to the railways without complaining? They got used to it. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 8, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2012 Remember "The railroad runs through the middle of the house" ? Wonder if they were coal trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Bernard, If memory serves the trains in question don't go as far as Culross - only as far East as Longannet. P.S. How many times have you sat outside the Red Lion in the early hours of the morning trying to sleep? It was probably before the new line opened when they went that way. Never very late but the noise would be the same during the day. It amused children of all ages to put pieces of ballast on the rails and watch the loco smash them. There was/is a legal crossing before people start to moan. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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