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7 hours ago, 62440 said:

D8323 passed LE through Hawick 23/10/67  towards Edinburgh.

 

D8317+D8324+D8318 passed through Hawick 15/11/67  towards Edinburgh at 3.48am.

 

Extract from late KA Gray's notes.

 

Bruce

 

That's incredible, the bairns were still asleep since 70022 Tornado had passed on the 7:44 pm Carlisle-Edinburgh train on 14 November 1967, the final steam working over the route.  Absolutely incredible.

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That's incredible, the bairns were still asleep since 70022 Tornado had passed on the 7:44 pm Carlisle-Edinburgh train on 14 November 1967, the final steam working over the route.  Absolutely incredible.

 

Oh, he saw Tornado as well in both directions - and earlier in the year 45493 at Hawick 26/09/67 and 70011 7/11/67 - amongst the dozens of diesels noted.

 

Trouble is that KAG's 20 or so pages of notes are typed and don't OCR at all well as they have smudged through time.

 

Bruce

 

 

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23 hours ago, 62440 said:

D8323 passed LE through Hawick 23/10/67  towards Edinburgh.

 

D8317+D8324+D8318 passed through Hawick 15/11/67  towards Edinburgh at 3.48am.

 

Extract from late KA Gray's notes.

 

Bruce

I think this verifies my theory about the locos being on their delivery runs from EE.

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6 hours ago, Bill Jamieson said:

I think this verifies my theory about the locos being on their delivery runs from EE.

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On 09/02/2019 at 13:04, 62440 said:

D8323 passed LE through Hawick 23/10/67  towards Edinburgh.

 

D8317+D8324+D8318 passed through Hawick 15/11/67  towards Edinburgh at 3.48am.

 

Extract from late KA Gray's notes.

 

Bruce

 

Funny you should say that, Bill - here are the respective "into service" dates for these locos, being amongst the last dozen or so of this type built:


D8317   25/11/67

D8318   25/11/67

D8323   20/10/67 

D8324   07/02/68

 

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23 hours ago, 62440 said:

 

Oh, he saw Tornado as well in both directions - and earlier in the year 45493 at Hawick 26/09/67 and 70011 7/11/67 - amongst the dozens of diesels noted.

Bruce

 

 

 

Ah, so this confirms that Tornado returned via Hawick, do we know for sure that it was sent back light engine, what with Edinburgh control wanting nothing to do with boiling water by this stage....

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I'm not sure where the label 'Torwoodlee North Viaduct' comes from - I assume it refers to the high, very skewed overbridge nearby but this is named on the Borders Railway engineering drawings as Torwoodlee Road Overbridge (it carries an estate road over the line).

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3 hours ago, 'CHARD said:

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If only Kestrel had carried out this run! :(

 

In the meantime, here's the link to the photos of D97 that carried out the run in its place, both of which have appeared here before.

 

68r287 Galashiels D97 passing nb Goods 2may68

 

 

 

68r288 App Carlisle off Waverley Route D97 'special' 2May68 c045

 

 

 

 

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Not sure if these have appeared here before - there are quite a few decent shots from the Waverley Route, looking through the RCTS photo archive. Just a few tasters, there are plenty more on there to look through!

 

https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/locomotives/17/hA0FE47B0#ha0fe47b0

 

https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/locomotives/40/hA8726C9F#ha8726c9f

 

https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/locomotives/40/hA8726C9F#ha8726e89

 

https://rcts.zenfolio.com/steam-lner/sentinel/hA105423E#ha105423e

 

 

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No doubt most people on here will have seen the photos of a Class 20 on what was ostensibly the last freight to Langholm (turns out it wasn’t) with a load of enthusiasts riding in the Brake Van, travelling through  Canonbie. There was film of it on one of the Waverley Route DVDs. Does anyone know the number of the Class 20 heading that train, please?

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A couple of images currently on ebay from seller trotskeetravel.  Described as Harwich but presumably Hawick?

 

D5317 Harwich 1963

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362686814355?_trksid=p11021.c100851.m5053&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20170803121420%26meid%3D778aa3d6ecec4b7b90575fc5aa7ee34c%26pid%3D100851%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26b%3D1%26sd%3D372696258115%26itm%3D362686814355&ul_noapp=true

 

D22 Harwich 1963

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/372696258600?_trksid=p11021.c100851.m5053&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20170803121420%26meid%3D778aa3d6ecec4b7b90575fc5aa7ee34c%26pid%3D100851%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26b%3D1%26sd%3D372696258115%26itm%3D372696258600&ul_noapp=true

 

Obviously only available to view for a short time, but the second one in particular seems a rather different view?  And therefore all the more interesting for that.

 

Hope of interest.  And that I haven't upset any potential buyers by making their availability a bit wider known!

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On 22/06/2019 at 18:15, 62440 said:

D8094

 

Just realised, this was a loco (as 20094) that I enquired about purchasing from the scrap dealers to save from breaking - never really looked at it from a historical viewpoint until now!

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On 20/02/2019 at 20:16, Ian Smeeton said:

Browsing,as you do, on Youtube, I cane across this :

 

 

Not really the Waverley Route.... but.....

 

Some lovely archive photos, footage and memories.

 

Regards

 

Ian

 

Many thanks Ian for posting a great bit of nostalgia. To visit Plashetts now,  I will have to crack out the diving gear

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On 10/01/2019 at 15:06, 'CHARD said:

The train behind D5407 includes engineers' wagons (at least one Sturgeon), and I wonder if that has originated at Kingmoor Yard and is heading for another local yard, perhaps Durranhill or London Road, via the NB goods lines west of the city

 

Hi bud, remembered my log in details for this site, eventually.

 

That's a carflat mate, but I'd attest to your other synopsis that it's gained access via the up & down connection from Kingmoor Yard box to Stainton.

Possibly a Currock shunt for the wagon shops.

 

 

Mac. 

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This should probably go in the structures section but it crosses several discussions.

 

25" Maps and the whole route going through CAD currently and matching the scaling to Geolocation.

 

Lots of other Waverley related items but just getting back into Rmweb so they will follow when appropriate.

 

Mac.

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I don't think I've seen this one before - https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/71/484/ - but I'm a bit suspicious about the the date - another image dated 1968 https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/23/830/  shows that the track to the east of the box had already been lifted.  A few other points of interest: that looks like a Diesel Brake Tender behind the Type 4, and it's the first pic I've seen of a Down train recessed on to the stub of the Border Counties line or perhaps dropping off a vehicle with a hot box.  What do the experts think ?

 

Alasdair

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14 hours ago, AJCT said:

I don't think I've seen this one before - https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/71/484/ - but I'm a bit suspicious about the the date - another image dated 1968 https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/23/830/  shows that the track to the east of the box had already been lifted.  A few other points of interest: that looks like a Diesel Brake Tender behind the Type 4, and it's the first pic I've seen of a Down train recessed on to the stub of the Border Counties line or perhaps dropping off a vehicle with a hot box.  What do the experts think ?

 

Alasdair

 

Roy G Perkins photo from 1963.

 

There is a full sequence of images of a 26 and consist running round using the BCR stub and Riccarton platforms. Something about Hawick North box not being able to accommodate the move (locked out certain days? Pre its closure anyway), so long(er) trains were sent down to Riccarton Junction to run round and recess on the BCR stub out of the way. 

 

Roys collection was potentially going to the Armstrong trust, not sure where that ended up in the end.

Nice to see Bruce releasing them in the best location for them, RailScot.

 

Mac.

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