Michael Delamar Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Any photos out there of the north side of the Gridiron? I believe that was where Exhibition junction signal box was. Some here taken by a signalman who worked at Exhibition Jnc https://www.flickr.com/photos/happyraildays/albums/72157627339880626 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 So was it directly north of where Edge hill CS is now? South of Wavertree boulevard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 So was it directly north of where Edge hill CS is now? South of Wavertree boulevard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Thanks LMS. On the east end of the grid past Gridiron bridge that went over the circular goods the line from Viaduct junction went over Chat moss and over Picko #1 tunnel (that is Picko #1 tunnel? and is still used to get trains from the Bootle branch to Wapping?) down a gradient and met up with the Chat moss line (so you could go from Wapping to Chat moss without crossing the Up & Down Main) what signal box controlled that, where was it, what was it called? Any info about that would be great as I have none yet. That end of my diagram just ends in the cutting and Ive no idea what it looked like back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 That signalbox was from Edge Hill No 4 (Viaduct Junction) which was on the viaduct west of the shed. It was on the north side of the junction between the line crossing the Chat Moss line via the girder bridge which appears in many photos of the shed, and the the southern section of the Circle. The connecting box to the East was Olive Mount Junction. This line went out of use quite early: I think it was gone in my time in 1973 but could be wrong; it was a long time ago and the were a lot of tracks around Edge Hill. Wapping Cutting (as opposed to Wapping) still had tracks when I saw it last year but they were to Crown Street only (for running around) and had not seen a train for quite some time (inside the tunnel, the lights were still burning, though). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted December 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2015 The Railway Magazine of 1936 had an extensive article on the Gridiron and its layout. I don't know which month as it was contained in a bound volume lent to me some years ago, but interesting reading and some very extensive track plans as well. Regards Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamb44 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Hi guys I've been enjoying the book "The Lads from Liverpool" by John Corkill and Peter Hanson, but there's one photo in it that I can't make out. It's on p55 (posted here) and claims to be Engine Shed Junction, but it doesn't seem right to me. Any ideas? The engine appears to be pushing a train of wagons, with more parked on the adjacent line. It doesn't seem to be a pair of running lines, or the other wagons would have a brake van on the back. If it was Engine Shed Junction, the track would be more curved than that? And the buildings don't fit other pictures of that location that I've seen. Surely somebody who knew that area must recognise that shop with the advert above it. Could it be round on the other side of the grid, towards the top of the reception roads? The catenary and the lights fit that area, but I still can't place it. Needless to say, I can't read the road name, but the second word could be 'Lane', does it really say Pighue Lane? Over to someone who knows more then me Graham 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted June 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2016 I believe it may be the Pighue Lane / Rathbone Road Junction - looking towards Mill Lane. The loco is on the sidings which have long since been removed, the bridge over Ratherbone Road would be immediately to the right. https://goo.gl/maps/7TgW81BG2ny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Not sure, Beast. I realise that the angle makes it difficult to judge widths, but Rathbone Road is wider than it appears here, and PIighue Lane's continuation this side angles the wrong way. When I first saw the photo, I thought of Tiverton Street, which would be near enough Engine Shed Junction, but a second look dismissed that theory. Possibly the authors didn't give it that second look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted June 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2016 Whats nigggling me is I'm sure I've already had a discussion regarding this photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gridiron Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Hi guys I've been enjoying the book "The Lads from Liverpool" by John Corkill and Peter Hanson, but there's one photo in it that I can't make out. It's on p55 (posted here) and claims to be Engine Shed Junction, but it doesn't seem right to me. Any ideas? The engine appears to be pushing a train of wagons, with more parked on the adjacent line. It doesn't seem to be a pair of running lines, or the other wagons would have a brake van on the back. If it was Engine Shed Junction, the track would be more curved than that? And the buildings don't fit other pictures of that location that I've seen. Surely somebody who knew that area must recognise that shop with the advert above it. Could it be round on the other side of the grid, towards the top of the reception roads? The catenary and the lights fit that area, but I still can't place it. Needless to say, I can't read the road name, but the second word could be 'Lane', does it really say Pighue Lane? Over to someone who knows more then me GrahamEdge Hill mystery June 1965.jpg It is definitely Pighue Lane, the shop on the corner and the row of houses on Rathbone Road and Pighue Lane were all demolished when the present layout was created when Wavertree Technolgy Park was constructed. The bridge over Rathbone Road was removed with the retaining walls when the Gridiron closed in the early 1970 and the embankments cut back. The Gridiron was then left in a derelict state as it had planned to build the M62 on it up until the money ran out. Beyond the top of the Girdiron is Mill Lane, and in this Google Earth image looking towards Edge Lane you can see the relatively new houses on the left which are built on the headshunt. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4056144,-2.9136165,3a,75y,354.81h,84.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxpqNtCMCz2ViIM8XeRtgGw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 The relatively new houses on the right were built after the original properties were demolished to make way for the motorway extension. Many of the properties to north of the railway line between Mill Lane and Queens DRive were owned by Liverpool City Council and were boarded up as the residents left. The scheme to build the M62 into Liverpool city centre was curtailed and the route altered to allow it to end at the Rocket, and this is why there are no junctions 1 - 4 on the motorway. Back at the site of the image, when the Technology Park was built, Rathbone Road was widened to ease the traffic flow which resulted in the demolition of the Rathbone Pub and a small shop in this image http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Jy6onJ5rZ9Y/T_wrT57Z96I/AAAAAAAAALI/vFCzlvfJcv8/s1600/Rathbone.jpg The notorious traffic island is the middle of Rathbone Road now roughly marks were the image was taken from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Edge hill Signal box panel 1963. http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p1048750832/h4168a862#h4168a862 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted August 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2016 Edge hill Signal box panel 1963. http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p1048750832/h4168a862#h4168a862 Same panel some 20 years later, after some lines had been removed. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 A black 5 on the gridiron. http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00-0-a-d-salmon-g-burch-45287-45493-Edge-Hill.jpg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 This was a snap of Stephen Woltensolme's photo album collection. Not sure who original photographer was. Its 45407 propelling the Edge hill breakdown crane towards the gridiron. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Thats the bridge from Viaduct jn over the Chat moss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Thats the bridge from Viaduct jn over the Chat moss. Are you sure? If its over the Chat moss I wouldn't have expected the line underneath to be Electrified - has the Chat Moss lines at that point not only been done very recently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 The chat moss was electried in those days to around the point where Wavertree technology park station is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 ah ok, I hadn't noticed the masts extending that far out, I thought they stopped nearer Edge Hill where the London line splits off thats a pretty substantially constructed bridge going over there in the photo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Finally found one of the gridiron bridge over Rathbone Rd. With the Rathbone Road bridge over the chat moss in front of it. Manchester over to the right direction. https://www.flickr.com/photos/78462203@N08/28991214884/in/faves-45827152@N07/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 It's difficult to believe that the area was ever that rural! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamb44 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 This was a snap of Stephen Woltensolme's photo album collection. Not sure who original photographer was. Its 45407 propelling the Edge hill breakdown crane towards the gridiron. image.jpg Wonderful picture of the Black 5 and the crane on the flyover bridge, I've been looking for years for a photo like that. Can I just quibble though, and say that I think the picture is taken from the Edge Hill station side of the bridge, ie the West, so that the Black 5 is leading the crane up to the Grid. If it was propelling left to right, then the picture would have to be taken from the East side, and there's no sign of the lower bridge here, which had double track from Viaduct Jn to Olive Mount. That bridge must be on the opposite side here, so it's out of sight. Sorry to be picky. Graham 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Yes I think you're correct. It was the 2 levels of this bridge that has always intreagued me. I'm yet to see a good clear shot of the other side. Id love one from the rail or cab height too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Do these help? . The first shows the bridge looking west, and while the flare doesn't help, a comparison is possible. The second is looking east, with the entrance to Piko Tunnel beyond the 8F and Rathbone Road ahead. Photos are by a railwayman names Steve Nugent, whom I cannot contact so I hope he approves of this publication of his material. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamb44 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Amazing that 2 more pictures of the flyover area have suddenly come to light ! Well done for posting them. As I said before, I've never seen any really good pictures of that flyover, presumably because it was demolished v. early on, maybe late 1960s? But I think that I shall have to eat humble pie and say that I was wrong in my comments the other day. The 3 engines in the new pictures are definitely heading E, from the view of Piko Tunnel in the background. So we definitely know which side of the flyover we are looking at, ie the East side. And I think that's the same as the earlier picture with the crane in it. The clincher has to be the 2 small bushes beyond the bridge, which are exactly the same in both pictures. And the fences and railings on top of the 2 flyover bridges can be matched up as well. It's still hard to see how there can be a double trackbed between the railings this side of the Black 5 and the massive girder in the front, but that's how it has to be. So I think you're right, the crane is being pushed up to the Grid reception lines. Graham 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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