scouser999 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Just found this on Youtube - fantastic !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqeGfWUrDcc Also this for Falcon fans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpexIgmtVNk Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser999 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Superb find!!! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2014 it certainly gets a good turn of speed up along the back wall of brush!! loving the vid of it running through wembley from marylebone too out of interest google maps has been updated to new HD iimages n the area where kestrel was last seen in russia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 That video of Kestrel, must be on straight track. Because the second man is not using the steering wheel. He`s a show off . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Some good shots of Falcon there, including running through Cambridge. Also, just before that, the headcode show 1-84, the Liverpool St. to Kingg Lynn (via Cambridge) route. I reckon there were some sequence changes, as I thought the headcode shot could have been Cambridge South; the journey following being from possibly Liverpool St. to Cambridge. Whilst at school in Cambridge, Falcon settled down to a spell on 1B66 Cambridge Buffet Express (KGX), though earlier on I did see it on the Liv.St. route - possibly when the film was made? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david12345 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Just seen in RailExpress that somebody in Russia has some original panels from Kestrel and a group here seems to be going to repatriate them and build a replica ! Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Hope the sanctions don`t scupper this scheme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Settle for memories of the loco rather than waste a lot of money building a replica which would have to be built to the latest emissions and technical spec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2015 Settle for memories of the loco rather than waste a lot of money building a replica which would have to be built to the latest emissions and technical spec. Quite The baby Deltic project can only happen because a complete engine is already in distance. Similarly the people wanting to build an Ivatt diesel replica thought it was viable because they were able to secure a engine pretty much identical to the original. You can forget any chance of building a replica diesel if the original engine doesn't exist anymore. Emission regs actively prevent a "replica engine" being constructed within the EU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew F Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Couldn't a Russian TEP70 engine be imported? Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2015 Couldn't a Russian TEP70 engine be imported? Cheers Andy If the engine already exists - then yes of course it can be imported -the emission regs only apply to new build engines (including replicas). Repair or restoration of an existing engine is not affected by the rules (hence the interest in returning class 60s / 56s / 37s or even 58s to service). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Why not just modify the body shell of an existing Class47 as a Kestrel lookalike, leaving all the internal & working gubbins the same ? A lot cheaper and would be acceptable to most, except perhaps the Model Railway Journal brigade (wrong flanges) !! Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted January 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2015 Just seen in RailExpress that somebody in Russia has some original panels from Kestrel and a group here seems to be going to repatriate them and build a replica ! Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Hope the sanctions don`t scupper this scheme. I've got an oil feeder once used on an Aberdare. Game on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted January 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2015 Are there no other Sulzer 16LVA24 engines out there? I've no idea as it is before my time but Sulzer and their licensees supplied an awful lot of engines in that era so it is entirely possible another engine is out there to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Are there no other Sulzer 16LVA24 engines out there? I've no idea as it is before my time but Sulzer and their licensees supplied an awful lot of engines in that era so it is entirely possible another engine is out there to buy. Well there's this snippet of info on another thread reference V16 sulzers: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/269-kestrel-sound/?p=1333 Further down someone mentions that some may have found use as standby generators. Sounds almost as big a challenge as finding original Kestrel parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted January 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2015 Thanks for that link. Given that in marine applications these are small engines and marine customers tend to prefer engines with fewer cylinders for maintenance purposes I'm not sure the V16 would have sold many in that industry but there may well be generators used as auxiliary back up units in power stations and buildings, hospitals etc. One source of info for anybody with a serious interest in a project like this would be to talk to Wartsila who bought New Sulzer Diesel which is the company that Sulzer's diesel interests were spun off into. The Winterthur busness has now been sold again (at least 70% of it) to Chinese interests but their archives and service department would be able to help in tracing 16LVA24 engines I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Been saying why not just do a cosmetic job on a 47 for years..... Along with a Blue Pullman fronted 43 ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chriswright03 Posted January 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2015 Does anyone else think the driver looks like a Russian villain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Build the body and frames first and the you crane the engine in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 http://www.derbysulzers.com/engineer.html Good bit of info on here, aparantly 3 engines still exist! hmmm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted January 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2015 I think a replica which puts a HS4000 body copy onto a class 47 defeats the point really. OK, we could see what Kestrel looked like but not hear it and we would all know it was just a replica body shell. This is like saying that we don't need to preserve aircraft as we could just use those fibre glass replicas that the RAF used for taking to roadshows and stuff. Yes, it looks just like a Jaguar or whatever but ultimately it is just a giant plastic kit. If we were to go to the effort of ever trying to build a replica HS4000 (a project I'd love to see) then if you are going to so much effort anyway you might as well do it properly. After all, the A1 people didn't just buy an existing pacific and then try and figure out how to make it look like an A1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted January 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2015 Despite my earlier comment, there appears to be a considerable amount of parts still available for a 'Kestrel' replica. Apart from the obvious power plant issue, you will need some class 47 bogies, which will need modification, I understand. A lot of the control components are also happily, class 47 also. Not such a daft idea, after all. However, the completed locomotive will probably exceed the current weight limit, unless that has been raised in recent years. 135 tons, over 6 axles? Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted January 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2015 Just found this on Youtube - fantastic !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqeGfWUrDcc Also this for Falcon fans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpexIgmtVNk Brit15 Really enjoyed the videos, especially the Falcon one. I wonder what traction emgineers would say today if you said you wanted a steam heating boiler with the water tank being topped up from water troughs? Think of all the spray over the traction motors etc.. In comparison, modern trains don't like getting wet passing through Dawlish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Munky Stigmata ROCKS!!! Phill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Although a shortcut using a 47 will do for me, IF there are the relevant bits then yes; go the whole way ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan70000 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 A recent piece in this month's Railway Magazine covered the discovery of various 'Kestrel' parts in Russia. At first I thought it could be an April Fool, but the posts above would suggest it is not... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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