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I always intended to backdate the Lima 37 to have cowls fitted. After too many years this week end I got down to it.

The reason for not doing so earlier was I did not like the Lima cab windscreen, it is too flat not thruppenee shaped so that was also delat with. The side grilles, tumblehome and flat roof profile were not touched. I hope the photos show what i have done.
Corner post removed and front filed back.
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Backing for cowl fitted inside body.
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Chassis altered
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new windscreen and cowls fitted
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Now waiting filler, final shaping and new buffers
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Once filler has been added and smoothed I will do an update.

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WELL DONE! Love projects like this,have done a few lima 37`s myself,but always cheated with etched windscreens!,keep up the good work and post some more pics!!thanks Iain.

 

Hi Iain

 

The Lima EE 40 and 37 both have too flat a windscreen, which in turn makes the side cab windows too long, as well as not having that lovely thruppenee piece shape to them. It is very noticeable in green livery because the line between the gery and green on the cab roof front should be convex, but on Lima locos it looks concave.

I use an etch windscreen as a template, having scratchbuilt loads of English Electric locos it as worked out cheeper buying one pair of templates :) . The etched window screens do not go the full width of the loco, they need the wide bits on each side to be glued on to, well they are the bits I have got rid off.

 

Filler has been added and some has been filed smooth. It is one those jobs I do when I sit down to relax.

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For a starter how do you change the tags and sub topic title?

 

The reason for the need to change the title and tags I have been working on some Brush type 2s. Two Tri-ang and an Airfix loco.

The Airfix engine is being turned into a Toffee Apple. The two Tri-angs are being lowered. One is having a second hand Hornby 37 power unit with new side frames. The other is going to powered by two Tri-ang bogies. Both are going to have new lower buffer beams with full fairings, new hand rails and other bits and bobs.

 

The Airfix Toffee Apple, I have removed the headcode boxes and with plastic card filled up the hole.

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I have applied filler to the roof, filled in the steps on the front doors and plated over the grille on the engine room door.

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Here is the first Tri-ang loco. The motor mount and the unpowered bogie were cut away using my razor saw.

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A new floor come chassis was made from 40 thou plastic card. Before fitting the bogies were tested to make sure they had enough movement.

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The floor was then added to the loco body.

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I have started to remove the moulded on handrails, the buffer beam and the paint guide along the bottom skirt.

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The other Tri-ang loco is to be powered by two Tri-ang power bogies.

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I was going to try and reuse the mount off the other Tri-ang loco, but when I was making the new chassis/floor for the other loco I found out that Tri-ang had increased the bogie centre dimension. So I decided to make a new motor mount for the two bogies at the correct centres. The foot steps now line up with the cab doors.

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As with the other one progress has been made at removing details.

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I know many are going wonder why I am doing these conversions. I cannot think of any other reason than I want to.

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Fascinating thread Clive, fair do's for having a bash at these, nice to see what can be done with them. I have to admit to having taken another look at some of the Lima bodies recently, and a 31 is on the workbench.

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Hi Rob

 

I think the Lima 31 body is the best version, OK it needs wire handrails. Depending on the period and loco modelled new front doors are required for the ones with the headcode box but otherwise it is great.

 

As for the Tri-ang models the basic shape is there. It is let down by the buffer beam being too high and the lack of front fairing. The Airfix model appears to have not enough material between the lower edge of the cab windows and the waist band giving windowsill appearance.

 

The Brush 2 is a strange shape to get right. When I attempted to scratch build I found the cab tappers are curved not flat, the tumblehome starts at the waist band but does not go all the way to the body lower edge as the lower skirt is flat. The roof is almost flat where the walkway ribs are. Something Tri-ang got right but Hornby many years later did not.

 

Clive

 

PS on the never ending to do list is front doors and wire hand rails for my Lima 31s.

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Hi Rob

 

I think the Lima 31 body is the best version, OK it needs wire handrails. Depending on the period and loco modelled new front doors are required for the ones with the headcode box but otherwise it is great.

 

Clive

 

PS on the never ending to do list is front doors and wire hand rails for my Lima 31s.

 

Hi Clive,

 

I concur with the shape, much better than the current Hornby, I will take some pictures of mine in its current state, but so far 19 new handrails on the roof with 8 left to do, plus all the cab fronts hand rails. I resorted to removing the rivets and carving the door outline and adding hinge/locking detail as I didn't like the look of the etched replacement doors and the real doors look to be flush with the front panel. The other complication I discovered over the weekend is the early Lima loco has a class 30 roof so for a 31 the exhaust ports need changing.

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Hi Clive,

 

I concur with the shape, much better than the current Hornby, I will take some pictures of mine in its current state, but so far 19 new handrails on the roof with 8 left to do, plus all the cab fronts hand rails. I resorted to removing the rivets and carving the door outline and adding hinge/locking detail as I didn't like the look of the etched replacement doors and the real doors look to be flush with the front panel. The other complication I discovered over the weekend is the early Lima loco has a class 30 roof so for a 31 the exhaust ports need changing.

 

Hi Rob

 

I look forward to seeing how you have done your Lima Type 2. As for the exhaust ports, I think all of mine must have Mirrlees engines. That is something I will need to change as quite a few re-engined locos were in green.

 

I have decided that both of these will be Finsbury Park locos with the London Transport trip cock gear. The change over lever recess in the fairing was quite distinctive.

 

Can anyone answer this, to save me having to trawl through my books*. The deflector plates for the windscreen washers were first applied in the last days of green with small yellow panel livery. Was this done at the same time as fitting the new engine or were they fitted to Mirrlees locos as well?

 

Clive

 

*Trawling through my books is dangerous as it always ends up with me wanting to start another project.

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Progress on the above projects has not happened recently, but I have moved forward with some others.

 

First is a split headcode Vi Trains type 3. I like the Vi Trains loco but I am a bit miffed as to why they have not done a early version and a split headcode one at that. Never mind I will have to make my own.  I removed the nose ends and replaced them with some of a Lima 37 that had donated its chassis to a Tri-ang type 3. This only the first phase of its transformation It will be given the buffer beam valances as befitting a 1960's loco. I have a central headcode loco in the wings for the same buffer beam treatment.

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I have had 3 Lima Deltics in the workshops being extended to full length.

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Today I took the razor saw to the old chassis and cut off the fuel tanks. I then cut the tanks off a Class 37 chassis. I mated the ends of the 37 chassis with the Deltic tanks. Now the Lima tanks are a wee bit shallow and a few millimetres short but the moulding is better than I could do in plastic card. On reassembly I turned the bogies round, this puts the steps under the cab doors, and downside is that the middle brake cylinder now faces the wrong way.

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A quick photo guide of how I made a long Lima Deltic

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Oi Baldy, what do you think you're doing?

Didn't you know that you aren't allowed to cut things up anymore? You've got to wait for the new Helbachby one to come out next year.

Some people might get the idea that this is a modelling forum....

 

 

(Cracking stuff mate, keep the updates coming)

 

A

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......I have had 3 Lima Deltics in the workshops being extended to full length......

 

You've just reminded me that Howes / A1 Models used to sell a Deltic "stretch kit" for exactly this purpose. Quite ingenious, involving a pre-formed etched brass shell section, but I wonder how many they managed to sell in the end......?

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clive are you going to change the bogies on your deltic ,as the lima one's are HO scale just like there class 50 was. with all that work you have done on the deltic body it would be a shame to have underscale bogies fitted. 

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clive are you going to change the bogies on your deltic ,as the lima one's are HO scale just like there class 50 was. with all that work you have done on the deltic body it would be a shame to have underscale bogies fitted. 

Hi Crompton 33

 

I have placed it on Lima class 37 chassis with the Deltic tanks spiced between the bogies.

 

An odd thing with the Lima Deltic bogies I have a couple of Hornby 37s riding on them and on their own do not look wrong but when with one with scale bogies they show.

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You've just reminded me that Howes / A1 Models used to sell a Deltic "stretch kit" for exactly this purpose. Quite ingenious, involving a pre-formed etched brass shell section, but I wonder how many they managed to sell in the end......?

Hi Horsetan

 

I remember them and did consider buying one at one time, never got round to it. But should I ever see one for sale at a show might be tempted to have a bash. I am always willing to try different ways of skinning the cat. :whistle:

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Progress on the above projects has not happened recently, but I have moved forward with some others.

 

Before writing I should check where I was with the model on this thread and what state the model is now in. I told a porky.

 

Here are the 31s

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Full valance to the ringfield powered one.

 

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Same with the twin Tri-ang motored one.

 

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Oh dear the green one does not seem to be sat on its bogie correctly, never mind it was to show the work on the body.

 

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The Airfix Toffee Apple.... the cab roof thingy looks too big. I did take the dimensions from a reliable drawing. What was in those box thingies on the Type 2 cab roofs?

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The Airfix Toffee Apple.... the cab roof thingy looks too big. I did take the dimensions from a reliable drawing. What was in those box thingies on the Type 2 cab roofs?

That was where they kept the endless supply of draughts found in Brush2s

 

Andi

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There progress has been hit by a Brush 4 bash.

 

I started some of these quite a few years ago. First up are some conversions to early 3 part fixed radiators. These were started before Bachmann and Heljan done their versions. I had already done one Hornby loco many moons ago.

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Here are two lima locos at stage one. The Serck shutters are filed flat. The next stage, saddly not photographed is the fitting of the small cresent shaped supports for the grille bars.

 

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A Hornby loco, thsi model has thin plastic card bars, 10 thou by 10 thou. I could not foind any ready made microstrip of this dimension.

 

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From the other side.

 

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Next is D1500, when built she was the only Brush 4 to have only one supporting bar for the grille bars and like the other first 10 only had 1 supporting bar on the engine room grilles as well. These were removed by gently filing them away.

 

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D1500 again

 

For my Lima loco I used 10 thou round rod and I think the result is a lot better.

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Lastly another one off D1529 with its vertical grille.

 

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