stevekay73 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 D808 and D810 believed to be the only 2 to carry green and full yellows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2015 A hen's teeth shot if I ever saw one! Thanks for posting. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Agreed, and that photo can only really have been taken during the first 6 months of 1968, because D808 went blue in July of that year. Marvellous. It never ceases to amaze me that, even over 45 years later, some gems keep surfacing that I can't remember seeing before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 But which one is which? I think it must be D810 on the left. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Yes Geoff, that was the conclusion I came to after trying to blow up the image - but it pixellates before the numbers become really clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 You don't need to read the numbers - you just need to look at the ends. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Sorry no. That is my achilles heel when it comes to loco identification. I cannot retain detail differences in my head long enough to tell individual machines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2015 well 810 had OHLE warning flashes down its flanks in the same timescale http://dieselimagegallery.com/detail/154-Class-42;42;Warship;D810;Cockade;Green-livery;Green;Full-yellow-ends;GFY;Bristol;Bristol-Temple-Meads;Type-4;2441968;1968;Jim-Binnie;0500;D810-1-S.html so loco on the left is 810? Go on Geoff tell us, you tease. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 You are nearly there. The OHLE warning flashes are in different positions on the ends. They are slightly further apart on D808. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I am definitely going to Specsavers in the morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 It's obvious if you know what you are looking for. On D808 the edges of the OHLE warnings are aligned with the end of the handrails. D810 has them further in so that the centre of the OHLE aligns with the end of the handrails. The position of the OHLE wanings is a very good way to tell individual Warships apart. And no, I don't remember them or even have a list. I just compare the photo of an unknown loco with photos of known ones. All I did tonight was refer to photos of D808 and D810 in my files. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2015 Fingerprinting for Warships Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2015 Also the OHLE flashes on the side is a giveaway? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Both eventually had OHLE on the sides. What I don't know is when they got them. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I wonder if a pic of the two BSYP Warships together exists? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2015 Both eventually had OHLE on the sides. What I don't know is when they got them. Geoff Endacott Somewhere in the mists of time, I, Like you Geoff, had a photographic record of the Warships, alas long gone a few computers ago. What I do remember is that 810 got them first, (according to the dates supplied with the photos, which, as we all know, aren't always infallible.) Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted February 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2015 I wonder if a pic of the two BSYP Warships together exists?You never know what may emerge Phill - I never thought I'd live to see 808 and 810 together (except on my layout!). Before you ask no I don't have an image of them, only D831.Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted February 10, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2015 What was the reasoning for repainting from green to maroon? Apart from the Western's, all other loco's were painted green or was it the Western Region being pedantic lol. Julian Sprott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Gents Can anyone confirm for me two things: - which other loco, besides D831, was painted blue, with small yellow warning panels; and, - whether or not the blue used was, as I suspect, the pre-rail blue that featured in XP64 livery? Looking at pictures of D831, to me it looks slightly paler that RB, paler than the blue on coaches in the same photo, for instance. Many thanks in advance, Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 The other one was D830 Majestic https://flic.kr/p/aByiUr Looks standard BR blue to me. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 A side by side comparison of a blue full yellow end D808 with D831 https://flic.kr/p/59j32m Considering how BR blue varied (bleaching weathering etc), I think they are pretty similar. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I have to say that I agree. They could have started out the same colour. Have you see the other pictures of D831, though? To me, it looks distinctly paler. Many thanks, Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 I have to say that I agree. They could have started out the same colour. Have you see the other pictures of D831, though? To me, it looks distinctly paler. Many thanks, Kevin It did - definitely looked different when originally painted in blue but that might be something to do with it being gloss, or the undercoat (probably Swindon's 'standard' apple green like colour?) or ???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The "apple green", assuming it was a pale green, was probably zinc-chromate, which is a brilliant undercoat, with preservative properties, but seems to have fallen into disuse since it was found to be carcinogenic - painters who used it frequently already knew it was nasty stuff, causing skin rashes in repeated exposure. That might explain the apparent colour of D831, but I still wonder ..... Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The "apple green", assuming it was a pale green, was probably zinc-chromate, which is a brilliant undercoat, with preservative properties, but seems to have fallen into disuse since it was found to be carcinogenic - painters who used it frequently already knew it was nasty stuff, causing skin rashes in repeated exposure. That might explain the apparent colour of D831, but I still wonder ..... Kevin That green primer used to be seen a lot on replacement Oleo and Dowty buffers; I always thought it was used because of links with the aviation industry (at least in Dowty's case). If anyone wants to replicate it, I used something called 'NATO Cockpit Green' from Humbrol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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