RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 25, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2012 None at Warley,yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted November 26, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2012 I bought an all third which was £3 cheaper than an all first so somewhere down the line we will have lots of all 1st available and not much else. It would seem that research into train formations is little lacking otherwise a lot more brake 3rd could have been manufactured - but hey hoe - I will have to build one or two.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Taylor Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I bought an all third which was £3 cheaper than an all first so somewhere down the line we will have lots of all 1st available and not much else. It would seem that research into train formations is little lacking otherwise a lot more brake 3rd could have been manufactured - but hey hoe - I will have to build one or two.. a view proved by the lack of equivalent gresley suburban brakes around even on eblag How do they justify the outlay on tooling when they produce so few, despite the obvious demand, unless..... they are overpriced to cover the costs of a small run......... so if the run was larger (and demand would seem to support it) would prices be lower and therefore sales be larger and we'd all be running more realistic formations and not fuming as we seem to be. Harrumph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OFFTHE RAILS Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 In the latest Model Rail mag (177 Jan 2013) these are reviewed and described as BR MAROON for the mid '50s to 1967 ! Who is correct - RMWeb or Ben Jones of Model Rail?...................................... They certainly look like early BR carmine red to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 In the latest Model Rail mag (177 Jan 2013) these are reviewed and described as BR MAROON for the mid '50s to 1967 ! Who is correct - RMWeb or Ben Jones of Model Rail?...................................... They certainly look like early BR carmine red to me. Untouched Thompson Compo. The Container is badly brush painted (by me) with Railmatch 311 Crimson. The three maroon strips under the coach are from left to right, 1. Halfords Damask Red, 2. Dupli-colour Damask Red and 3. Railmatch 306 Maroon over red and grey primers. HTH Porcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 27, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2012 I bought an all third which was £3 cheaper than an all first so somewhere down the line we will have lots of all 1st available and not much else. It would seem that research into train formations is little lacking otherwise a lot more brake 3rd could have been manufactured - but hey hoe - I will have to build one or two.. Sadly this seems to happen all too often. Hornby Maunsells are more freely available in non-brake configuration some years after launch. In fact the Southern Railway's best-known West of England service, the Atlantic Coast Express, was formed, especially in Winter, of multiple BCKs, one for every branchline along the way to the West. It is as if the detail researchers - who these days so often do a top job - are not invited to comment on which versions will sell in what volume. Must be quite galling for them, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Presumably, as it costs the same to tool up for ANY coach (1st, 3rd, 1/3, brake or whatever) they produce the same minimum amount of each to cover costs and go into profit. Now if the (say) 1st is not wanted as much, they stay on the shelves; by the same token everyone (almost) wants a brake, so they sell out rapidly. The 2nd batch to cover the perceived shortages won't be produced below a minimum quantity, so if they can't get enough trade orders to guarantee that quantity we don't get that 2nd batch. No use complaining that they should halve the quanity of 1sts and double the quantity of brakes, they are (quite rightly) in the game for profit to survive, so have to treat the different types of coach as INDIVIDUAL models, not part of a rake. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted November 27, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2012 Presumably, as it costs the same to tool up for ANY coach (1st, 3rd, 1/3, brake or whatever) they produce the same minimum amount of each to cover costs and go into profit. Now if the (say) 1st is not wanted as much, they stay on the shelves; by the same token everyone (almost) wants a brake, so they sell out rapidly. The 2nd batch to cover the perceived shortages won't be produced below a minimum quantity, so if they can't get enough trade orders to guarantee that quantity we don't get that 2nd batch. No use complaining that they should halve the quanity of 1sts and double the quantity of brakes, they are (quite rightly) in the game for profit to survive, so have to treat the different types of coach as INDIVIDUAL models, not part of a rake. Stewart If they are not buying by individual type not by total coach type they won't stay viable for long - or is it having to work with our "friends in the east" --- so just make more brake 3rds.. and sell them all/// very quickly...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 If they are not buying by individual type not by total coach type they won't stay viable for long - or is it having to work with our "friends in the east" --- so just make more brake 3rds.. and sell them all/// very quickly...... Simple economics I'm afraid. If it costs £1 to get to the stage where you can produce a 1st class coach or a brake etc, then you market it for more (say £1.50). But that 1st class coach has to be produced to an initial minimum run (say 500) before your company has paid off the development costs and gone into profit. If demand is out there for only 250, the remainder sit on the shop shelves (and the shopkeeper bears the cost). If there is demand for more then the maker will only produce them if the retail trade will buy - at the quantity for another minimum run (500 maybe, or whatever your 3rd party maker demands)). This has nothing to do with producing a different version, like the brake - it is a different model but with similar costings, but in this case because of popular demand, it sells quicker on the first batch; same rules apply when the demand for another batch is requested though. In the days of in-house manufacture, it was easier to find a slot in production as there was no 3rd party involved, but there were still cost issues of minimum runs due to setting up the production line. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbb Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I notice that there are no extended bogie mounted stepboards on both of the gangway ends of the Lav compo. There is one at the other end though, but they are on both bogies of the brake 3rd. Is this correct?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikado Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I wonder when we can expect he LNER teak versions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I wonder when we can expect he LNER teak versions? June 2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggy1953 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 June 2013. Perhaps they will send some more crimson brakes with them!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Perhaps they will send some more crimson brakes with them!! May be in 2014 ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 To be honest, while I'm not totally happy they're delayed for so long, I kind of a little relieved as it gives my wallet a little breathing room with all the other East Coast releases to choose from at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 There are some buy it nows on ebay, I've just picked up a 3rd Composite for £30 which I don't think is a bad price at all. I only need the odd one in this livery as I'm modelling 1950 when many were still in imitation teak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benachie Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Or you could get a BT for £78!!! I presume the "discontinued" label some dealers are using is not strictly aaccurate. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted December 8, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2012 I notice that there are no extended bogie mounted stepboards on both of the gangway ends of the Lav compo. There is one at the other end though, but they are on both bogies of the brake 3rd. Is this correct?? Hi, I meant to answer this query earlier, but hadn't had time to check my facts. I bought two Lav Composites (to help in recreating a GN 'Outer Suburban' set). One of them has small steps fitted on each of the four corners, and also on each of the 'inner' corners of the bogies - from photos of real ones, I believe this is the correct arrangement. However on the other one, the 'corner' step below the first class corridor side corner was missing, but loose in the box - I will be able to glue it back. On this same vehicle though, the long bogie mounted step (between the axleboxes) is missing altogether from the other bogie on the same side, i.e. under the third class compartment side. So possibly there may be some QC issues with these steps, which are quite vulnerable to becoming detached. I'll have to renumber one of the coaches, and will be painting the roofs and underframes, so while I'm at it I'll recreate this missing step from Plasticard. The arrangement of these steps on the real thing looks a bit 'haphazard' at first sight, but as I think someone else pointed out, the LNE only fitted the bogie mounted steps where there was a door above; hence the bogies of these coaches don't need the long steps on the 'corridor' side but do need them on the 'compartment' side. Hope this helps, Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 There are some buy it nows on ebay, I've just picked up a 3rd Composite for £30 which I don't think is a bad price at all. I saw that. But they do not hang around for very long. I presume it is the same seller who also had a third at the same price and I bought that one. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 There was also a chap selling brake thirds Thursday evening for £34.99, managed to grab one which I hope will arrive early next week. He had 10 which sold out very quickly. Also seen one go for over £70 which is crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 There was also a chap selling brake thirds Thursday evening for £34.99, managed to grab one which I hope will arrive early next week. He had 10 which sold out very quickly. Also seen one go for over £70 which is crazy. There is one Brake 3rd on eBay at the moment. It has a Buy it Now or Best Offer price of £75.00!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 To be honest, while I'm not totally happy they're delayed for so long, I kind of a little relieved as it gives my wallet a little breathing room with all the other East Coast releases to choose from at the moment. Yes, that is a very good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 There is one Brake 3rd on eBay at the moment. It has a Buy it Now or Best Offer price of £75.00!! CRAZY DAYS ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 There was also a chap selling brake thirds Thursday evening for £34.99, managed to grab one which I hope will arrive early next week. He had 10 which sold out very quickly. Also seen one go for over £70 which is crazy. Shop just cancelled Ebay order I am afraid, suspect never had them in stock or is going to put them on for more money. If later I will report Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom F Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Shop just cancelled Ebay order I am afraid, suspect never had them in stock or is going to put them on for more money. If later I will report Hi Flapland, I'm a little confused to what you mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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