Pugsley Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) They had been reallocated away from Scotland when the photo was taken. 47492 moved from Inverness to Crewe in 1990. I am more intrigued by the Hymek in the background. Geoff Endacott Depending on when that photo was taken, it's probably D7018 as D7017 was in dutch livery late in 1992, and in blue in 1993 (IIRC). Possibly en route to an open day somewhere? Edit - I've just seen Vin's post - it's definitely D7018 as D7017 had full yellow ends by the summer of 1991, the Bath Road open day was 29th June 1991. Edited July 28, 2014 by Pugsley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Cheers Pugsley, I thought it was around June/July 1991 but photos seem to be a bit thin on the ground. Regards Vin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCClark Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Hello Clagsniffer Just checked Flikr for class 47 at Penzance and there is an excellent photo of 47715 in Scotrail and nameplate at the Penzance buffer stops. Just make sure you don't do what some retailers do and add snowplough as they never had them fitted Regards John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 For the rest of us, here's the pictures alluded to above. Case proven: https://www.flickr.com/photos/roddymacphee/11236817293 https://www.flickr.com/photos/roddymacphee/11236725585 https://www.flickr.com/photos/roddymacphee/11236733904 I recall travelling behind one of the two Scotrail liveried machines that came south coming back from Weymouth to Yeovil about this time, mostly because it was the last time I travelled on the national network in a compartment - probably a tatty mark 1 BSK. Why do I remember it? Either the battery died or someone mucked about with the switch: the lights didn't work. Adam 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted September 4, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2014 For the rest of us, here's the pictures alluded to above. Case proven: https://www.flickr.com/photos/roddymacphee/11236817293 https://www.flickr.com/photos/roddymacphee/11236725585 https://www.flickr.com/photos/roddymacphee/11236733904 I recall travelling behind one of the two Scotrail liveried machines that came south coming back from Weymouth to Yeovil about this time, mostly because it was the last time I travelled on the national network in a compartment - probably a tatty mark 1 BSK. Why do I remember it? Either the battery died or someone mucked about with the switch: the lights didn't work. Adam Bet the girlfriend didn't believe you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Bet the girlfriend didn't believe you. Ha! This must have been '91. I was 10! Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 That's a superb find thank you so much! And also NSE mk1 stock too, doesn't get much better! I'd best get the cheque book out! Thanks to all who have posted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2014 Is Plymouth close enough? According to sixbellsjunction, 47461 on this railtour http://railwayherald.com/imagingcentre/view/252684/LC came on at Plymouth. How did it get there and did it go further west ...??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjgardiner Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I don't know if they made it to Penzance or not, but one passing through Lenzie in 1988 appears in my family photos of vacations with my Grandparents in Scotland (yeah, looking at the camera wasn't my thing!), so a Scotrail Class 47 in small scale at least has found a home on my display shelf in Toronto! 47703 - Saint Mungo by Stephen Gardiner, on Flickr A re-named/numbered Bachmann Branchline 00 Gauge Class 47, with Fox Transfers Name Plates and Modelmaster Shed insignia/Number decals. You can't see in the picture, but you can actually make out the loco number in the original shot of my sister and myself at a much younger age! I didn't go crazy with fixing any inaccuracies with the recent Bachmann Release, for this project, i wanted the happy memory of train watching as a kid with my grandparents, not a rivet accurate model. Stephen 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 One question I never had answered was when the 47/7s were transferred away from the Glasgow - Edinburgh Push-Pull service were they modified back to their original 95mph maximum or did they retain official 100mph capability. I remeber the small plate on the drivers door of the altered locos stating the higher max speed and the routes passed for same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 One question I never had answered was when the 47/7s were transferred away from the Glasgow - Edinburgh Push-Pull service were they modified back to their original 95mph maximum or did they retain official 100mph capability. I remeber the small plate on the drivers door of the altered locos stating the higher max speed and the routes passed for same. The 47/7 locos were never permanently modified for 100mph operation The data panels and cab panels stated Max Speed 95mph 100mph was only permitted between Glasgow QS and Edinburgh, via Falkirk High This was due to the short train formation making 100mph possible Prior to 1988 the other requirement was a headlight From 1988 this was amended to HST, and at the next inspection this was painted on each loco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Were they limited to 95mph on the Aberdeen trains? - presumably the stock was the same (or Mk2 air conditioned in place of Mk3, but still 100mph capable) - were there no 100 mph stretches of line on the Glasgow to Aberdeen (after leaving the E-G at Greenhill) or Edinburgh to Aberdeen routes? or on the Edinburgh leg of the Carstairs portions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Were they limited to 95mph on the Aberdeen trains? - presumably the stock was the same (or Mk2 air conditioned in place of Mk3, but still 100mph capable) - were there no 100 mph stretches of line on the Glasgow to Aberdeen (after leaving the E-G at Greenhill) or Edinburgh to Aberdeen routes? or on the Edinburgh leg of the Carstairs portions? Officially, not permitted to exceed 95mph on any other route Even HST rarely reached some of the the higher HST speed limit, due to station stops As an example was the 100mph section through Springfield Max Line Speed - Carstairs to Edinburgh : Carstairs South to Haymarket East = 95mph Glasgow QS to Dundee : Greenhill to Larbert = 70mph Larbert to Stirling = 95mph Stirling to Dunblane = 75mph Dunblane to Perth = 95mph Perth to Dundee = 90mph There are two short sections of HST 100mph (Larbert to Stirling and Gleneagles to Perth) Edinburgh to Dundee : Haymarket East to Dalmeny = 90mph Dalmeny to Ladybank = 75mph Ladybank to Dundee = 85mph Short section of HST 100mph (South Gyle to Dalmeny, Dalmeny to Ladybank 85mph, Springfield, Leuchars to Dundee 95mph) Dundee to Aberdeen : Dundee to Arbroath = 90mph Arbroath to Montrose = 80mph Montrose to Aberdeen = 90mph Short section of HST 100mph (Dundee to Carnoustie, Arbroath to Montrose 90mph, Montrose to Aberdeen) Edited September 7, 2015 by mjkerr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Ah right, I'd just assumed there would have been more 100mph sections. I happened to be watching a Railscene video from 1984 recently with a cabride from Perth to Inverness and it was mentioning a section of line which had been upgraded for 100mph for the HSTs. I'd expected lower speeds on that line than the lines to Aberdeen for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Hi all, The 100mph was also because of the extra maintenance that the 47/7 had. The line speed being a factor into the equation, as was the braking distances on disc braked mk3 stock with a DBSO. One question I don't know the answer to is that not all DBSO's where fitted with disc brakes? So where they restricted to the Aberdeen route and only used on a restricted speed rating for the Edinburgh to Glasgow route? Regards Vin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Thats all very interesting I had heard that there were field mods on the traction motors although I am sure the 47/7s were capable of another 5mph over their designed max purely down to the fact that they were running on a fairly straight billiard table route only 40 miles long and hauling a lightweight disc braked train. They did run continuously in the high 90s and often 100 daily and given the amount of runs each working day they must have been the hardest worked 47s in the country by a mile. After the green from the platform end at Queen St it was straight at the 1 in 42 Cowlairs incline and once over the top they sounded like they were flat out to Falkirk..then again flat out to Haymarket. This went on all day so I guess the higher maintenance regime was mandatory. I wondered did they alternate the Aberdeen runs with the Edinburgh to give the locos a break so to speak as I presume a daily mileage on the Edinburgh given the trips was higher and definitely at higher sustained speeds. We lost a fantastic service the likes of which I would doubt we will ever see again. I well remember BR trying to publicise the new Sprinter service as if it was a step forward and failing miserably. The public were not that gullible and coming off Mk 3 coaches and a 43 min timing it was soon obvious that they had been had with crowded slower trains. We must not forget of course the earlier Push Pulls with Class 27s and Mk2s as if anything these were even more impressive given the unsuitability of these type 2 locos to run in the 90s all day long. There is a log in a publication of the route which shows a pair of type 2s actually hitting 100mph..no wonder there were flashovers. Great stuff and sadly missed. Dave. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 One question I don't know the answer to is that not all DBSO's where fitted with disc brakes? So where they restricted to the Aberdeen route and only used on a restricted speed rating for the Edinburgh to Glasgow route? 9711 9712 9713 These were the second batch of conversions and did not have their brakes modified Initially they were restricted to Aberdeen duties and operated with Mark 2D coaches When reallocated to Craigentinny some tests were carried out and confirmed it made no difference when operated with at least four Mark 3A coaches In 1987 these requirements were thrown away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Thats all very interesting I had heard that there were field mods on the traction motors although I am sure the 47/7s were capable of another 5mph over their designed max purely down to the fact that they were running on a fairly straight billiard table route only 40 miles long and hauling a lightweight disc braked train. They did run continuously in the high 90s and often 100 daily and given the amount of runs each working day they must have been the hardest worked 47s in the country by a mile That is correct, the modifications were carried out at Crewe or Doncaster works However permission was only given for 100mph between Glasgow and Edinburgh Equally, drivers commented that they could tell the difference at low speed as a 47/7 was very slow to respond, but once above 30mph could really accelerate However, individual locos are always quite different so it wasn't very conclusive If you want to see how intensive the 47/7 are used compared to a 47/4 try the SIAM range of Games, ScotRail Fleet Manager A 47/7 would basically start its weekday at 06:00 and end about 21:00 Several of the diagrams were taken over by HST at the end of the day, and some had the 47/7 swapped over during this time Edited September 7, 2015 by mjkerr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted September 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 8, 2015 Agree with Vital spark about the 27s on Edinburgh - Glasgow, lots of thrash. Never seen any good video of it though. I always thought the 47s were never as exciting to ride behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Agree with Vital spark about the 27s on Edinburgh - Glasgow, lots of thrash. Never seen any good video of it though. I always thought the 47s were never as exciting to ride behind. Yep the 27s were certainly vocal. I made lots of runs behind them but unfortunately didn't manage to record it on video. Did get a bit of the 47/7s though and when videoing from the first coach window the sound of the loco was impressive. I knew a couple of drivers on the 27s back in their day and they were like chalk and cheese with one of them old school who would push the loco to its limit to maintain time as that was what was important to the customer..the other was a lot more laid back and would keep the thing within its limits as he saw it but often lost a minute or two. Result was the former spent a lot to time with failed locos and flashovers apparently…still I know the one I would want to be riding behind. Towards the end they substituted one of the 27s for a 37 so maybe that took the pressure off a bit. Great days. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted January 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2021 Can anyone tell me if 47 712 Lady Di moved south and appeared on the West of England line? I recall several such 47s on the line after 1988/9, but didnt take note of numbers, Hornby's new release of this loco with sound has made me ask the question... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, JohnR said: Can anyone tell me if 47 712 Lady Di moved south and appeared on the West of England line? I recall several such 47s on the line after 1988/9, but didnt take note of numbers, Hornby's new release of this loco with sound has made me ask the question... I think she did replacing 50s with 47/7s on the Salisbury Exeter route , In fact do Kernow not produce a really weathered Scotrail 47/7 with NSE flashes applied? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted January 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, Legend said: I think she did replacing 50s with 47/7s on the Salisbury Exeter route , In fact do Kernow not produce a really weathered Scotrail 47/7 with NSE flashes applied? They did, but at the time, I couldnt justify the cost of something like that which was out of period. However, £100 for a sound loco is very very tempting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, JohnR said: They did, but at the time, I couldnt justify the cost of something like that which was out of period. However, £100 for a sound loco is very very tempting. It does look like this is only available from Hornby direct John . Just in case you waste time looking for it at retailers . Yes that is good price . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, JohnR said: They did, but at the time, I couldnt justify the cost of something like that which was out of period. However, £100 for a sound loco is very very tempting. I assume that is a Railroad edition, I cannot see obvious wording to that on the site though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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