Clagsniffer Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Hi. I really fancy getting a hold of the new Bachmann 47 in scotrail livery to add to my fleet for my Penzance based layout. The question is would a scotrail machine in this livery ever have been to Penzance? Even just once? Would be nice if I could justify having it without the application of modellers licence. Cheers for the help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted November 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2012 Not totally beyond the realms of possibility (after all NSE locos were used in Scotland!) 47706 in battered Scotrail livery with fleetnames removed but still retaining the Scottie Dogs was used by NSE on West of England services for a while. Whether it got all the way to Penzance I couldn't say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'm gonna say.... very, very unilikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Thats a shame. I thought, as John pointed out, that with the scotrail locos being re allocated to NSE that a rogue 47 might have slipped through. Ive found pictures of NSE 47's at penzance so i was hoping one might have visited before a repaint. Never mind, modellers license it is! Thanks guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) From memory, most of the 47/7s that headed south got painted first (47705 and 47714 certainly were ) and whilst in Scotland they did stray but I cannot imagine one escaping as far as PZ. EDIT: Curiousity has the better of me. I can see that 47703 went to Poole and 47704/6 did some Waterloo-Exeter services whilst still in ScR colours but 47707 definintely got painted very quickly. 47701 did not get painted straight away but nothing so far to suggest it did anything but NSE services. EDIT 2: I have found a photo of 47717 in ScR colours at Newcastle working a PZ service but nothing to say it went all the way. Edited November 6, 2012 by Raffles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 How about this http://taillampphotography.com/Graphics%20Used%20For%20Website/CLASS_47/CLASS%2047_7/47701_47710/MKLRa47_706_06.jpg photo of 47706 on the Penzance to Paddington mail? Geoff Endacott 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 47706 lasted right through it's NSE service without getting a repaint, and was then taken on by Rail Express Systems still in unbranded and very scruffy Scotrail as per Geoff's link above, complete with assorted NSE flashes, scotty dog an' all - I saw it every so often at Paddington on mail traffic at that time so it ending up on the Penzance TPO isn't at all unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thank you guys for the info, and Geoff that's exactly the type of pic I was looking for so thanks! I think I will order one now, take the scotrail branding off and add the NSE flashes. Just one question, would the small NSE flashes be on both cab sides and both ends? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 47706 lasted right through it's NSE service without getting a repaint, and was then taken on by Rail Express Systems still in unbranded and very scruffy Scotrail as per Geoff's link above, complete with assorted NSE flashes, scotty dog an' all - I saw it every so often at Paddington on mail traffic at that time so it ending up on the Penzance TPO isn't at all unlikely. I'm reasonably certain I travelled behind it at some point, but whether on a Waterloo-Exeter or a summer extra (with a truly dreadful selection of clapped put Mark 1s - including the last non-preserved corridor compartment stock I used) from Weymouth I can't remember now. Seemed quite exotic at the time. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 From memory 47461 was the only Scotrail blue lined class 47/4, all the others were 47/7s. I definitely remember 461 at Penzance in that livery, but cant remember if I took a photo. Various other red striped Scotrail 47/4 visited Penzance 47593 etc.. I will try to dig out some photos during the late 80s early ninties. The 47/7s were regular visitors on Parcel workings, 706 has already been mentioned. Again - it's surprizing how "recent" railway history is now 22 years ago! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thank you guys for the info, and Geoff that's exactly the type of pic I was looking for so thanks! I think I will order one now, take the scotrail branding off and add the NSE flashes. Just one question, would the small NSE flashes be on both cab sides and both ends? I believe they were indeed on all 4 cab sides plus both ends by the time it joined RES - IIRC it gradually gained them over time though, I think you'll find pics of it with just them on 2 cabsides early in it's NSE career! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 I had never thought about the red stripe scotrail livery! That may also be an option as well as the blue. If anybody has any pictures of either livery at Penzance or on Penzance bound services that would be much appreciated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 From memory 47461 was the only Scotrail blue lined class 47/4, all the others were 47/7s. I definitely remember 461 at Penzance in that livery, but cant remember if I took a photo. Various other red striped Scotrail 47/4 visited Penzance 47593 etc.. I will try to dig out some photos during the late 80s early ninties. The 47/7s were regular visitors on Parcel workings, 706 has already been mentioned. Again - it's surprizing how "recent" railway history is now 22 years ago! Charles Rennie Indigestion Tablet seen here at Taunton en route PLY: http://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/DUFFS.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 One of the joys of forums like this is having a trawl through old albums to see if one has lost their marbles or not, I found a class 47/7 passing Roskear Jn with the midday vans. If you look closely you'll see Driver Steve Mayes (crazy Mazey as we called him) accusingly pointing to his watch to appoint blame for time loss. It wasnt my fault honest! I've also included a scotty dog 47517 in large logo at Hayle in the late eighties to show any loco could turn up down west. Stratford ones were rare mind you... I'll keep looking for a Penzance one though... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 That second shot is of '617 Craig. '517 had a blue roof and the ETH socket was mounted on the cab front rather than the buffer beam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Ah cheers. I could make out 17 so you've solved it thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I seem to remember 47704 kept its Scotrail livery for quite a long time after it was allocated to RES, I saw it running around Crewe and I'm sure I've seen a photo of it sat on Old oak common looking rather tatty so from there it could easily have got to penzance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Well, as the topic's been raised from the dead, here's a shot of mine, 47706 at Paddington on mail, fluffy puppies, NSE flashes an' all... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I seem to remember 47704 kept its Scotrail livery for quite a long time after it was allocated to RES, I saw it running around Crewe and I'm sure I've seen a photo of it sat on Old oak common looking rather tatty so from there it could easily have got to penzance Was that 47704 or 47706? 47706 was the one that kept its Scotrail livery forever and did get really tatty while working NSE services. Wasn't 47704 repainted into RES fairly quickly? It was the one which had the large cabside numbers while in Scotrail livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirey33 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Remember the InterCity ScotRail branded ones got allocated to various places after leaving Scotland so seeing them turn up on Penzance/Brighton/Poole or even Folkestone services was not unusual. And even when they were allocated north of the border, anything with a Scotty dog or Stag it was almost guaranteed to go wandering :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtwo Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I don't have any proof, and it's probably my memory playing tricks on me. But, I think I remember seeing some (1 or 2) of the 47/7s at Waterloo when they first started on the West of England trains still with, scruffy, Scotrail branding but obvously it didn't last long. I didn't take too much iterest in the 47s then as they weren't 50s!! I have often wondered, "what if" the complete push/pull trains had come south instead of just the 47/7s! David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I don't have any proof, and it's probably my memory playing tricks on me. But, I think I remember seeing some (1 or 2) of the 47/7s at Waterloo when they first started on the West of England trains still with, scruffy, Scotrail branding but obvously it didn't last long. I didn't take too much iterest in the 47s then as they weren't 50s!! I have often wondered, "what if" the complete push/pull trains had come south instead of just the 47/7s! David That's quite likely because the ScotRail 47s which came to the South West did work the Waterloo services alongside the 50s. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercity 125 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) I have a picture on my phone of 2 ScotRail 47s on shed at Bristol Bath road depot. Any ideas why 2 were on shed down South. There was an Intercity Swallow 47 behind them. EDIT: Here is the link http://bristol-rail.co.uk/w/images/b/ba/47492-1.jpg Edited July 22, 2014 by Intercity 125 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 They had been reallocated away from Scotland when the photo was taken. 47492 moved from Inverness to Crewe in 1990. I am more intrigued by the Hymek in the background. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Hi all, The photo at Bath Road was taken in the summer of 1991. 47492 was in the parcels sector as was 47704 behind it. 47704 was a definite candidate for a Scotrail class 47 at Penzance as it wasn't repainted until November 1991. As for the Hymek. When was the Bath Road open day in 1991? Vin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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