Chris Higgs Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The topic of roof rivets is an interesting one. I took photos of various roofs of GWR coaches at I don't know where (Buckfaskeigh or Bewdley) that show a number of styles. Some at least were exactly how you have done the rivets, although I do feel they are probably a bit oversized. Still, one can easily rub them down. Even the roof photos with transverse roof ribs had the longitudinal rivets. I mam pretty certain from photos that K42 had the roof as you have modelled it, although the K41 pictures are less conclusive. If the rivets are there on the Didcot example you could justify just saying you are modelling it as preserved. You have after all included a centrally placed underframe box on that basis, which many photos show was not on the coaches when in revenue service. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted June 8, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2014 Hi Chris, Interesting - thanks for this. Since it's easier to remove unwanted rivets that are there, than add rivets that are not, I am minded to leave it as it is - not least to proceed as quickly as we can to the next stage of production. Of course, once the model is painted it's likely that the rivets will be "smoothed off" a little and less prominent in any event.... cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas G Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 It's looking very good, Ben, especially the test moulding. I can't wait to get the maroon one I have ordered. Douglas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Just had a look at some photos I took of the CWR's K41. The rivets are visible though not particularly pronounced. Below is a close upof the previous picture showing the rivets more clearly: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2014 I suspect they are not rivets - they are screws or whatever which are used to fix the body panels to the frames and they will be 'stopped' and filled before the finishing paintwork coats go on. Thus they would hardly show on a completed vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I was referring to the ones on the roof (3rd picture) rather than the others on the bodywork - the other shots were included for reference though I realise I could have made the post clearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Incidentally, last year there was a 2mm finescale exhibition at Wallingford but no sign on the 2FS website of one this year. Does anyone know if it was a one-off or does it alternate years? (Just thinking that it might have made a suitable launch venue for the model, as it was just across the road from the K41 at Wallingford station!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 If this was a 7mm model then some roof texture may be appropriate - still very difficult to reproduce near to scale, but I don't think it helpful at all in c2mm. The panelling barely show on the photos on my website and I can't see anything which we are calling rivets. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Hi Chris, Interesting - thanks for this. Since it's easier to remove unwanted rivets that are there, than add rivets that are not, I am minded to leave it as it is - not least to proceed as quickly as we can to the next stage of production. Of course, once the model is painted it's likely that the rivets will be "smoothed off" a little and less prominent in any event.... cheers Ben A. Here's a picture I took at Buckfastleight (there are others in the same Flickr album). This I believe is a Hawksworth (so later) but I think K42s had the same style of roof panels rivetted together. Not abosultely sure for K41s though, EDIT: the Mchaell Harris book on GWR coaches states that GWR coach roofs were rivetted from 1932 onwards. Which suggests that K41 would have also had that type of construction. Chris https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrishiggs/2086755485/in/set-7215760337417660 Edited June 8, 2014 by Chris Higgs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 OK, the balance of evidence appears to be in favour of riveting on the roof. Perhaps it is best to stick with it, particularly as and changes to the tooling are likely to be costly in both time and money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-CRS Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Incidentally, last year there was a 2mm finescale exhibition at Wallingford but no sign on the 2FS website of one this year. Does anyone know if it was a one-off or does it alternate years? (Just thinking that it might have made a suitable launch venue for the model, as it was just across the road from the K41 at Wallingford station!) 2mm section for details of meet at Kidderminster in a couple of weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) We now have some photos of the livery samples for the K41s (reposted with Ben's kind permission). These are just samples so issues such as wobbly lining should not appear on the production runs. In addition, we have already identified the following issues that need to be addressed. Wrong shade of GWR chocolate, the sample has a slightly greenish tinge. Droplights are too light on the GWR liveries, they should be a deep indian red rather than a bright red. Axel boxes should be painted blue on GWR liveries. Pipework should be painted black. A further batch of samples has been requested to address these issues. If anyone spots anything else, please feel free to flag it up. Edited November 19, 2014 by Karhedron 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithg Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 HI, I recently did a search here on GWR K42 Passenger Full Brake Van by Collett and found your topic. The thread has been most interesting as I am building the vehicle in 7mm. I too have taken many pictures of a K42 preserved at Buckfastleigh on the SDR. I am impressed the workmnanship you Guys have put in the get Daplo to produce a great model. My search is for correct branding transfers and have Fox Transfers are very interested in the detail aspect that seems to be missing, namely branding "town" names, Parcels Train Brake Van etc which in my opion makes the model. Please can you help me from all your research. What size were the branding lettering. In Great Western Way book they mention 92 high but is this correct. Sorry if duplication in the threard but I cannot find this mentioned. Look forward to your reply Kind regards Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) My search is for correct branding transfers and have Fox Transfers are very interested in the detail aspect that seems to be missing, namely branding "town" names,  Parcels Train Brake Van etc which in my opion makes the model. Please can you help me from all your research. What size were the branding lettering. In Great Western Way book they mention 92 high but is this correct. Hello. I was under the impression that the lettering was 4" high which is about 100mm. It could be that 92mm is the correct value and that 4" is just people rounding. Of course by the time you scale it down by 1:148, the difference between 100mm and 92mm is probably less than the precision of the printing process to discriminate. I rather like the route branding too. However we made the decision to use unbranded vehicles where possible in order to make the vehicles appeal to as wide a variety of modelers as possible. The exceptions are the post-war vehicles (choc'n'cream and carmine and cream). Photography was expensive and shots of brake vehicles are few and far between. Also it was a period of transition and details were not applied consistently so we decided to work from the few photos available and produce vehicles we were sure were accurate. The crimson and cream vehicle is a good example of this. BR painting specifications show that vehicle number should be at the right of the vehicle, however Swindon have put it on the left in GWR style. Many hours were spent poring over books and photos but the detective work was rather fun. Edited December 5, 2014 by Karhedron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Any news when the online pre-ordering will be live, there are references to it on the N Gauge Society Web Page but there is still nothing on the online payment page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 On line ordering is now in play - 2 pre-orders booked today. Note to self, remember to either turn off Javascript blockers on Firefox or use IE when ordering as my first attempt I hope failed otherwise I have4 of these on order!! I'll order a couple of Thompsons next month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted April 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2015 Hello folks A bit of good news - Dapol have confirmed that all the Colletts have finished production and are due to put on a boat at the end of this week.At the moment you don't need to do anything - we will let people know via the NGS website and Journal (and here) about the final price and likely delivery date. Cheers, Mike NGS Product Development Officer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted April 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm surprised that in the meantime Dapol have not announced an 00 version... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Going off the resistance on this website to paying the going rate, a full brake would have to come in at £30.00 to appeal to 4mm tightwads. The 2mm vans are looking good going off the images uploaded. I had doubts about roof rivets in 2mm scale but they look acceptable, however, representing the split between upper and lower cladding panels on "flush-sided" coaches is something I personally would avoid simply because it is always overscale and gets in the way of the lining. Edited April 26, 2015 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26, 2015 £30 would be a bargain as the alternative is to build the Comet kits (K40/42) which are over 45 sheets now.I know because I've built three of them and would relish a rtr version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted April 26, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26, 2015 The 2mm vans are looking good going off the images uploaded. I had doubts about roof rivets in 2mm scale but they look acceptable, however, representing the split between upper and lower cladding panels on "flush-sided" coaches is something I personally would avoid simply because it is always overscale and gets in the way of the lining. Yes, I think if I am involved in the production of a similar type of coach in the future I would be inclined to agree. The panelling looks acceptable to my eye, but I appreciate that it is overscale. From the painted samples we have I think we've got lucky with the lining though! cheers Ben A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Going off the resistance on this website to paying the going rate, a full brake would have to come in at £30.00 to appeal to 4mm tightwads. The 2mm vans are looking good going off the images uploaded. I had doubts about roof rivets in 2mm scale but they look acceptable, however, representing the split between upper and lower cladding panels on "flush-sided" coaches is something I personally would avoid simply because it is always overscale and gets in the way of the lining. Shhh Coachman, don't give them any ideas as the price hasn't been decided yet and I was hoping for a tenner a pop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I'm surprised that in the meantime Dapol have not announced an 00 version... I might well be interested in one if there was, as it's one of the CWR vehicles I'm yet to have a model of, dependent on price. And if our sales of Dapol Wallingford coal wagons go well, I might have a word with our shop guys to see if they wanted to stock any, though of course the family market who make up the majority of our visitors is precisely the one the manufacturers have decided to largely abandon... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Just as I was starting to get anxious, my Colletts have turned up! They look very nice and I have some pictures below alongside corresponding Dapol collett stock for comparison. Only disappointment is that 147 has damaged paintwork on one side so I think I will have to contact Ann and see if I can arrange a replacement. A shame but it was on the side not visible from front of the box so no real way to spot it. Edited July 23, 2015 by Karhedron 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 For some reason I can't open the photos, but assuming that there match the examples given above, I'd happily pay the same as Hornby will be charging for its new Colletts for one of these, does that make me a skinflint? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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