lmsforever Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 After reading about Wizard models in your topic I went online and went through the site wow why had I not looked here before.My order will be coming soon and I will have a great deal of model making to do which will keep me from going crazy.Thanks for highlighting this excellent company. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted April 3, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2020 Just to cheer everyone up a bit, I thought I would dust off the camera and post a few pics. Here we have the trusty old station pilot adding a strengthener, a second open to the Morecombe/Carnforth stock in platform 4. 51 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted April 4, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 The class4 tank engines are used mainly for working trains between Leeds and Bradford. Having arrived with the Up Devonian, 42139 is put to work sorting vans in the South Carriage Sidings before it's next working back to Bradford. 37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, TheLaird said: The class4 tank engines are used mainly for working trains between Leeds and Bradford. A Manningham engine? Back in the good old days Manningham was something of a concentration depot for Johnson 0-4-4Ts, working passenger services not only to Leeds - including the Bristol and London expresses - but also over to Otley and Ilkley etc - possibly as far as Harrogate. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted April 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2020 Is that laser cut signal cabin available commercially? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLaird Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Is that laser cut signal cabin available commercially? Its one of my early creations and needs a lot of finishing! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted April 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Compound2632 said: A Manningham engine? Back in the good old days Manningham was something of a concentration depot for Johnson 0-4-4Ts, working passenger services not only to Leeds - including the Bristol and London expresses - but also over to Otley and Ilkley etc - possibly as far as Harrogate. swept away by the 2-6-4T from Fowler, Stanier and Fairburn. Baz 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Compound2632 said: A Manningham engine? Back in the good old days Manningham was something of a concentration depot for Johnson 0-4-4Ts, working passenger services not only to Leeds - including the Bristol and London expresses - but also over to Otley and Ilkley etc - possibly as far as Harrogate. And even excursions to Morecambe using the 5 coach clerestory suburban sets. Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: And even excursions to Morecambe using the 5 coach clerestory suburban sets. Jamie Indeed, how could I have failed to mention those magnificent close-coupled clerestory carriages! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted April 5, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 Another little job completed and two lollipops removed from the end of the platforms. The bracket is scratch built from brass section with some plasticard embellishments. This supports signals W17 and W48, the starters and section signals from platforms 5 and 6. They were originally three aspect colour lights but were at some stage reduced to two, Red and Yellow. They each have a call on subsidiary, a Sykes pattern illuminated and rotating disc that I am not familiar with, perhaps someone will enlighten us? The R/Y aspects are understandable as they match the semaphores on the North side that have fixed distants. Again, it is not obvious why this is so but maybe someone can explain? I have used Berko three aspect heads and filed down the lower part of the hood to form the subsidiary. The LED’s had to be moved around and a new one added to form the Call On. The latter was formed from a clear LED, filing the top flat and then adding the red Banner and “C” motif with draughtsman’s felt pens. The Call On illuminates white when Off but does not rotate!!The signals are operated by a single lever with the correct aspect being shown according to the state of the block. When pulled Off, a Yellow is displayed but if the block is at “Train On Line”, then the subsidiary displays along with the Red aspect. This is possible due to the Permissive Block working between LCW and LCJ, allowing a second movement into the section. Howard and the Prof’ designed a relay circuit to achieve this and it is now installed and working. 19 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlebah Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 26/03/2020 at 19:18, TheLaird said: Lovely!!! Excellent video and great progress. Looking forward to future updates. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2020 Sorry to go a little off topic but Compound2632 mentioned the Clerestory sets and I thought I'd explain briefly. The Leeds suburban services to Bradford, Ilkley and Skipton were unique. This was because the well heeled commuters of Ben Rhydding had the best suburban coaches on the Midland system. Everyone else in London, Birmngham and Sheffield had to make do with arc roof stock. The Leeds/Bradford commuters had clerstory coaches in 5 car close coupled sets. These were made up of, 2 brake 3rd's, 2 first's and an all third. Each type of coach came from a different builder and each had a different length underframe. I think they were between 41 and 45'. They were of course well upholstered. There was a small carriage shed at the end of the yard at Leeds Wellington where they were maintained. By the way that signal gantry looks superb. Jamie 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 hours ago, jamie92208 said: Sorry to go a little off topic but Compound2632 mentioned the Clerestory sets and I thought I'd explain briefly. The Leeds suburban services to Bradford, Ilkley and Skipton were unique. This was because the well heeled commuters of Ben Rhydding had the best suburban coaches on the Midland system. Everyone else in London, Birmngham and Sheffield had to make do with arc roof stock. The Leeds/Bradford commuters had clerstory coaches in 5 car close coupled sets. These were made up of, 2 brake 3rd's, 2 first's and an all third. Each type of coach came from a different builder and each had a different length underframe. I think they were between 41 and 45'. They were of course well upholstered. There was a small carriage shed at the end of the yard at Leeds Wellington where they were maintained. Just to amplify on that, purely because Midland carriages are a hobby-horse of mine, the good folk of the West Riding were lucky. They had had close-coupled sets of 6-wheelers built in 1882-3, along with the Birmingham, Manchester, and Sheffield areas but were first in the queue for renewal just in 1899, so got carriages in Clayton's square light clerestory style (see the Ratio kits) introduced with the Bristol-Bradford sets of 1896. Because of the volume of work already being undertaken at Derby, they were built by the trade. The sets were close coupled and the carriages designed around the standard (and generous) compartment dimensions of 6'6" for thirds and 7'9" for firsts. The 5-compartment brake thirds were built to the standard 48 ft length (by Lancaster, Gloucester, and Birmingham); the 7-compartment thirds came out at 46 ft 7½ in (built by Lancaster and Metropolitan); and the composites, with 4 firsts and 2 thirds, 45 ft (built by Brown, Marshalls and Lancaster). So that's five builders, with Lancaster alone building examples of more than one type. The sets were originally BT/T/C/C/T/BT but it seems to have been found pretty quickly that this gave too many third class seats. One third was taken out of each of the 25 sets and I believe given standard buffers etc. for use as loose vehicles. Manchester was next up for renewal in 1902, followed by Birmingham in 1908-9. The new carriage & wagon superintendent, David Bain, baulked at the extravagance of the West Riding sets and built arc-roofed carriages with panelling based on the style he had been using on the North Eastern. He also cut the compartment dimensions down to more modest dimensions, determined by fitting eight third class or seven first class compartments into the standard 48 ft length. The Ratio Midland suburban kits represent these carriages. Apologies for that - thoroughly off-topic. But I do have a pang of regret that @TheLaird didn't choose to set his layout 60 years earlier! 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLaird Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 15 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Apologies for that - thoroughly off-topic. But I do have a pang of regret that @TheLaird didn't choose to set his layout 60 years earlier! No need to apologise, it's nice when anyone can be bothered to comment and even better if it's remotely connected to the old Midland in the West Riding!! I must admit that I do have an affection for those Midland Clerestory coaches so one day who knows.... In between times, I have a lot of bare boards to cover!! Regards John E. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 I cannot comment on the Midland in the West Riding but I do like you layout a lot as well as Bradfield Gloucester road. Even your layout being bare boards looks great. Another Video please.............. Keith 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d winpenny Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Great pictures david 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phixer64 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Hi Like most people at the moment, confined to home, Sat and read this from start to finish yesterday. Wow, what a brilliant piece of modelling. Excellent skillsets. Wishing all the very best and keep up the excellent modelling. Regards Jeff 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravy Train Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 This is just fabulous, lovely track work modelling too. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLaird Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 2 hours ago, KeithHC said: Another Video please.............. Keith That may be a while now Keith. The current plan is to take advantage of the shutdown and clear all of the stock to the storage yards and crack on with a bit of scenic work for a change, the soldering iron deserves a rest!! I have taken a few more pics though that I will post over the coming days along with some suitable drivel to try and create some interest for those in isolation. Regards John E. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted April 6, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2020 We are in Lockdown here at Leeds City North. Everyone is working from home, including the signalmen who have even taken the signalbox with them!! 19 20 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Is that an optical illusion John? Or have the North carriage sidings been affected by mining subsidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLaird Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 On 06/04/2020 at 20:35, leopardml2341 said: Is that an optical illusion John? Or have the North carriage sidings been affected by mining subsidence? Not an illusion Andy but somewhat magnified due to the optical effects of the camera. In fact in a previous similar shot the mainlines looked much the same and I have managed to remedy that to some extent. Hopefully as the scenic work gets underway I will be able to add some support along that edge. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted April 11, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2020 The humble DMU. Luv 'em or loathe 'em there were a lot about. The first ones in the Leeds area appeared at Central around 1954, original Derby Lightweights. They were seen as the panacea to saving rural railways but it was soon realised that they were eminently suitable for commuter traffic too. With no run round required, services could be reversed quicker allowing timetable intensity to be improved. In 1959, nearly all local services from Leeds City were turned over to DMU operation. Not only local services, on the City South side longer distance trains were turned over as well. The six car Trans Pennine units between Hull and Liverpool were introduced around this time. So in our period of 1962, the DMU reigns supreme, mainly Derby and Met Cam two car units. On the ex Midland side, the gradients are not too severe so motor and trailer are the norm. Like most of my stock, there is still a lot of work to do on these units to make them more suitable to the locality, but in the fullness of time etc.... For now though, they certainly keep the operators on their toes! Contrary to the destination blind, this is in fact the 11.30am service from City South to Sheffield via Barnsley. The lead unit is not appropriate to this area and will be exchanged at some point. Note the searchlight style colour light signal installed when Leeds New as it was then called was resignalled in the '30s. Due in at 11.35am, the Ilkley Leeds drifts in along the Up Fast. Again evidence of the '30s re-signalling can be seen with a searchlight signal for the junction into City South viewed from behind on the Slow Line bracket. The Ilkley service safely in platform 1, allows the 11.45 am to Bradford Forster Square to get away on time from Platform 2. The signals around this side of the station are predominantly ex Midland wooden posts with replacement upper quadrants. During the modernisation and rebuilding by the LMS in the late '30s, some signals were replaced with two aspect colour lights and one can be seen along platform 1, protecting the exit from the parcels dock. Some of you may recognise the lead unit as one of the ex Bradfield units. 35 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheLaird Posted April 14, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2020 Over the last twelve months or so, work on the layout has predominantly been about installing the signalling systems. The Leeds City Jct box is very much complete now and work on Wellington box is near completion but for the installation of the control box. Due to the current restrictions, installation and testing is not likely to happen soon. As intimated in a previous post, my intention is to now attempt work on the structures and civil engineering. The first task has been to carry out a survey of the station area and draw up an “as built” plan so that dimensions etc can be worked out. Although the layout purports to be Leeds City North, it is not a true scale model but rather an artist’s impression. Compromises have been necessary to fit the space available resulting in straightening out in places and excessive curvature in others. Therefore, it is not just a case of copying the actual objects but adjusting the size to fit whilst retaining the look and feel. The recently constructed low relief concourse building was reduced in length by about 200mm. The platforms are all narrower than should be and marginally shorter. About seven years ago a member of the team, Kev (Sudaby of this parish) visited the Manchester Records Office and obtained copies of some plans of the station. This plan shows the proposed demolition and rebuild of part of the station by the LMS in the 1930’s which resulted in the station that is being modelled. The rectangle with the diagonal lines represents the overall roof of the original Midland Railway station. Outside of the overall roof area there are typical Midland style canopies on platforms 3-4 and 5-6. The cantilevered deck and parcels offices were added at this time and extend out over the river Aire. The river runs under the station at this point through a series of arches. The overall roof was removed as stated on the plan and replaced by awnings. The awnings are supported by a girder structure that spans from the parcels dock to just beyond platform 4 road with intermediate supports between roads 2 and 3, so is in fact a form of semi overall roof leaving the platform surfaces unobstructed. The spacing of the girders is dictated by the width of the arches beneath, as they are supported by the sub structure of the cantilevered deck which in turn sits between each arch. Another design of support is used for the awning over the section of platform 5 exposed by the removal of the overall roof, a “U” girder design favoured by the LMS. The photo below from the book “Leeds Termini” by Pixton and Hooper shows the resulting structure I need to replicate. The “Left Luggage Office” shown on the diagram is all that remained of the original station building, and in fact still stands to this day. I have not been able to find any pictures of this building and so am relying on the detail extracted from other drawings to construct a representation of it. It appears to have had a single brick skin added to the front face as part of the rebuilding work. This will probably be the first item to be constructed followed by the canopies and awnings on platforms 5 and 6. This will enable me to complete the signalling as some are mounted on the platform and others suspended from the canopy structure. All being well I will post details of progress as and when…. Picture by Robert Anderson from “Railway Memories No22” by Anderson & Rose. 20 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) I wonder how many of the station's users were aware they were standing on a bridge over the Aire? It's not exactly visible... Edited April 14, 2020 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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