Tony Wright Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Tony i am currently working on a mk1 maroon rake to represent one of the three hour Aberdeen expresses (62-66) I have almost completed the rake using a mostly mixture of repainted and revamped kitmaster mk1's and a bachamann 57' full break. The one coach i am looking to do to complete the rake is a scottish region griddle car. Now i have looked through various web pages and all the suppliers that i can think of and i cannot find anybody who does even the sides for the griddle car. Would you be able to give me any pointers/suggestions regarding the griddle cars. gary Gary, As David has alluded to, Southern Pride does a ScR Griddle Car as a complete kit. I built the very first one for review - it appeared in the Railway Modeller quite a few years ago now. Anyone remember which one? I seem to have chucked away most of the mags with my articles in now. They had a use once, but I just wonder how relevant 'how to' articles are these days with regard to making locos and rolling stock. That said, a Griddle Car is not available RTR, so if you can find the relevant RM piece it might be of use. I've mentioned this before, but with the emergence of Hornby's latest Pullmans, articles like my QoS piece of 20 years ago in BRM have no more relevance now than the contemporaneous RTR offerings in the same mag. Outmoded, inferior in just about every way and irrelevant now. Edited to include this....... Having just glanced through some relevant books, it would appear that most of the A4-hauled three-hour Glasgow-Aberdeen expresses consisted of six Mk.1s - typically, page 16 of LNER Pacifics in Colour by Derek Penney - SK, SO, FK, Catering Car (not a Griddle), SK, BSK. Note the brake only at one end. Page 23 shows the same formation. Page 25 appears to show SK, SK, SO, Catering Car (not Griddle), FK, SK... I'm going on the arrangement of ventilators to guess whether the cars are SKs or SOs, but I could well be wrong. Edited July 26, 2015 by Tony Wright 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Outmoded, inferior in just about every way and irrelevant now. Definitely not irrelevant as they are a lasting personal achievement, always containing something of the builder. The same will not be true of a purchased, mass produced item when it reaches 20 years of age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted July 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2015 Gary, As David has alluded to, Southern Pride does a ScR Griddle Car as a complete kit. I built the very first one for review - it appeared in the Railway Modeller quite a few years ago now. Anyone remember which one? I seem to have chucked away most of the mags with my articles in now. They had a use once, but I just wonder how relevant 'how to' articles are these days with regard to making locos and rolling stock. That said, a Griddle Car is not available RTR, so if you can find the relevant RM piece it might be of use. I've mentioned this before, but with the emergence of Hornby's latest Pullmans, articles like my QoS piece of 20 years ago in BRM have no more relevance now than the contemporaneous RTR offerings in the same mag. Outmoded, inferior in just about every way and irrelevant now. April 1998. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfisher24 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Gary, As David has alluded to, Southern Pride does a ScR Griddle Car as a complete kit. I built the very first one for review - it appeared in the Railway Modeller quite a few years ago now. Anyone remember which one? I seem to have chucked away most of the mags with my articles in now. They had a use once, but I just wonder how relevant 'how to' articles are these days with regard to making locos and rolling stock. That said, a Griddle Car is not available RTR, so if you can find the relevant RM piece it might be of use. I've mentioned this before, but with the emergence of Hornby's latest Pullmans, articles like my QoS piece of 20 years ago in BRM have no more relevance now than the contemporaneous RTR offerings in the same mag. Outmoded, inferior in just about every way and irrelevant now. Edited to include this....... Having just glanced through some relevant books, it would appear that most of the A4-hauled three-hour Glasgow-Aberdeen expresses consisted of six Mk.1s - typically, page 16 of LNER Pacifics in Colour by Derek Penney - SK, SO, FK, Catering Car (not a Griddle), SK, BSK. Note the brake only at one end. Page 23 shows the same formation. Page 25 appears to show SK, SK, SO, Catering Car (not Griddle), FK, SK... I'm going on the arrangement of ventilators to guess whether the cars are SKs or SOs, but I could well be wrong. tony thanks for the reply, the main reason i am looking for a griddle car is that, in the dvd titled 'steam in scotland the a4's final years' there is a train shown leaving perth for aberdeen behind 60007 and the train included a griddle car in the formation and i was thinking that it is something differant. i will be at my club on tuesday and will look up the appropriate issue of railway modeller. incidentally look out for my latest creation which will be on rmweb shortly. i am scratch building a model of an ex north eastern j27 - again something different from my more usual ex north british creations. gary 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Market65 Posted July 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2015 Hi. Mention of a scratchbuilt ex-NER J27 puts me in mind of the Dave Alexander kit which I built a few years ago. I had to make the tender narrower than as supplied, for if I had left it as it came, then the tender would have worked out at about a scale 10 feet in width. I also thinned down the white metal castings for the cab to make them look a bit more like sheet metal, along with the tender coal rails and coal dividers. With a Mashima motor and gears and tender pick-ups it runs very smoothly and quietly and will pull anything that I care to get it to pull. Here's a photo' of the loco' on my layout: With Regards, Market65. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Mark that is my kind a model! I have a Dave Bradwell kit underway at the moment as a J26 I hope it comes out just as good as yours. I am not sure how you found the class as there is so many variations long smoke box, short smokebox, long fire box, short firebox, different chimneys, domes, safety valves, tenders... (2 coal rails, 3, 4, cut off not cut off, D cutouts, oval cutouts) different tool boxes... Um I find it hard to get photos of the 1930's of the version I like... Mine has settled on a J26 in York as published in the RCTS bible, (short smokebox, Short fire box, 2 coal rail, D cut outs) I must get some modelling in tonight I missed out over the weekend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Quite properly finished in LNER livery too. Excellent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glo41f Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Mark Well done on producing a fine model which captures the chunky purposeful look of these rugged engines very well. The North Eastern had some really attractive locos that were very competant at their work. I suppose thay would after all Mr Worsdell learnt his craft on the Great Eastern! We do not see too many NE types around though they were a very large and profitable railway company. It is good to see that those who do model it do so with style! Martin Long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 As I was saying here is the one I am building at the moment and the other I did some 17 years ago.... In PNG. I think i still hold the most unusual place to send a kit with Dave Bradwell! ... In the back ground is my collection of NER based loco's plus a couple of industrials. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted July 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2015 Whilst on the subject of J27s here are two that I scratch-built many years ago (no kit then). These were two of the four 0-6-0s that I started to build concurrently - two J27s, J24 and J25. For some reason the J25 dropped behind and was not completed until a couple of years later. The photo was taken I 1975 so that is 40 years ago and they were not brand new then. Those were the days when the X04 style of motor was the motor to fit although I believe that these had the Dh11 (or was it DH13?). The saw a lot on service on my layout "Teesdale" and on club layouts. The J24 was converted to 18.83 gauge which involved a new chassis but the others remain in OO. Today they reside in boxes and see very little running. Incidentally 2347 was one of those that saw service on GER metals so those modelling that area in the 1930s have an excuse to run one. "Teesdale" features somewhere in the depths of RMWEB. ArtnurK 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2015 Hi. Just a thank you to everyone for the very kind words about my J27. I think that the model has been worth the time taken to construct it, and it seems to do what I was hoping it would on my layout in terms of appearance and running. It should make a good companion to the forthcoming DJM model of the NER Q6. I also have a J21. I will see about posting a photo' of it later - however this model is, as yet, incomplete. With Regards, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2015 Hi. Here's a photo', as promised earlier, of the J21, which is as yet incomplete. It has been under construction since 2007, if I remember correctly! I do not know for sure if this may be some kind of record, but I will get this model finished - it runs very smoothly, and pulls as good as the J27. The model is an old Nu-Cast kit. I've tried to improve on some areas, including, again, thinning the cab castings, and replacing some of the tender top detailing, especially the coal rails. The loco's brake-rigging has yet to be made and fitted, along with the boiler front in the cab, amongst other small details. It will be weathered after I've finished the lining work. With best regards, Market65. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted July 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2015 The brake rigging on most J21 tenders was behind the wheels and apart from the brake shoes was not too conspicuous. The pull rods on these were not compensated. There was an adjuster between the brake-shaft and the first axle. In their later years some did get the external compensated brake rigging but this may have been due to tender swap. If you have a photo of 312 that should solve the problem. ArthurK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Well it certainly shows that the NER has quite a following... interesting to note they are all (or will be) in LNER livery. Market65... all of my loco's aren't finished for what ever reason... I have the biggest trouble getting the brakes NOT to work! it drives me batty... hence the Q6 which is hiding off to the left in my photo... the smoke box is just visible is still without brake gear... my J27 is also with out brake gear.... it is something I need to work on. There is a D16 out of shot that still needs to be finished as well... lets not get into things that have not got this far which includes a J21 and 2x J24... which is a sort of scratchbuild/kit bash.... weird combination starting from 1 LRM kit. I suspect I will end up retiring in about 30 years and pull out all these kit builts and finish them all off. One loco in that lot really is finished and it is a small black Hawthorn... The RSH needs some work as it seems to be very front heavy on the springs and needs a guard iron re installed and painted! Any how I should be doing work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 27, 2015 Hello. Thank you ArthurK. I think that I have a photo' of 312 in a book, maybe the RCTS 'Green Bible'. That should answer the tender brake rigging question. I am looking to make the loco's brake rigging removable. With best regards, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted July 28, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2015 Just about there................ This is the first production sample of Heljan's forthcoming O2 in the guise of an O2/4 (ex-O2/3). It performed impeccably, hauling over 40 kit-built wagons. Any previous comments have been acted upon, so it should be on sale soon. 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee74clarke Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Just about there................ This is the first production sample of Heljan's forthcoming O2 in the guise of an O2/4 (ex-O2/3). It performed impeccably, hauling over 40 kit-built wagons. Any previous comments have been acted upon, so it should be on sale Heljan O2 38 O2 4 first prod sample.jpg Heljan O2 39 O2 4 first prod sample.jpg Looks very nice Tony Edited July 28, 2015 by lee74clarke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
copleyhill007 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Just about there................ This is the first production sample of Heljan's forthcoming O2 in the guise of an O2/4 (ex-O2/3). It performed impeccably, hauling over 40 kit-built wagons. Any previous comments have been acted upon, so it should be on sale soon. ...... Excellent though a tad too clean!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2015 Hi. The O2/4 looks most promising. Hopefully a quality motor has been used. With regards. Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Looks very nice overall. A nice companion for the Hornby O1 and the Bachmann O4. Interesting it has different length handrails on the two sides of the tender - perhaps still a trial for different tenders with the different models? Also the front spectacles still appear to have rounded bottoms which in photos is only due to the fact they have been dirty and the cleaning has left the glass looking rounded at the base. The rear row of rivets for joining the boiler to the extension piece should be on the extension piece not the front of the boiler according to the photos in Yeadon. Call me a rivet counter - many have. Still I won't be cancelling my order! Woodcock29 Edited July 29, 2015 by Woodcock29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The flanges on the coupled wheels look nice and shallow, but I bet I know a man who is already contemplating his order for Gibson wheels and EM axles whilst hoping that Heljan haven't glued spring mouldings in place trapping wheel sets in the chassis on this model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The flanges on the coupled wheels look nice and shallow, but I bet I know a man who is already contemplating his order for Gibson wheels and EM axles whilst hoping that Heljan haven't glued spring mouldings in place trapping wheel sets in the chassis on this model. The wheels are supposed to be part of the Wheel and Track Standard for 00. So the flange depths had better be the same as the rest of present UK RTR or it will need working suspension on some not so flat track situations. Of course if you want the wheels to look really "real", it's down to a choice between 00-P or P4/S4. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2015 The wheels are supposed to be part of the Wheel and Track Standard for 00. So the flange depths had better be the same as the rest of present UK RTR or it will need working suspension on some not so flat track situations. Of course if you want the wheels to look really "real", it's down to a choice between 00-P or P4/S4. Andy Hi Andy Which standard is this you are on about? Is it one where the all track and rolling stock manufacturers all abide to? Can you direct us all to it, via a hyper link of course? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hi Andy Which standard is this you are on about? Is it one where the all track and rolling stock manufacturers all abide to? Can you direct us all to it, via a hyper link of course? Don't get involved with this complete load of nonsense! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 4069 Posted July 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2015 That looks good Tony. You'll be pleased to know that a picture in Antony Ford's Pullman Profile No. 3 shows Lorraine in 1967 with the kitchen window painted as you have done (actually it doesn't look as neatly painted). Correct Dave. It received the revised (stretched) version of crest. However, by 1961 it was allocated to the Southern Region. So Tony's version looks correct for late 50s Eastern region. How many Rs in the real Lor®aine? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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