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12 hours ago, mswjr said:

I really like the rusty rails on the siding,on the above picture, All very realistic.

 

Apart from the lie of the points - strictly speaking the points should lie to the buffers unless required for a move.

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31 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

I was referring more to the piece of metal on the far left of the inside of the tender, though, on closer inspection, it looks more like the remains of a flange plate. 

 

Is that how the original plates were fixed on - by angle plates and flanges? It seems to make sense. Yet (and of course I can't immediately find the piece) I've read that the original plates were flame-cut off, and the new (further forward) ones welded in place. Flame-cutting off the old ones and welding in the new ones would seem to be a quicker procedure.

 

Anyway, thanks Mike.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

Good morning Tony,

 

cut off on the welded tenders, as fitted to the majority of the B1's. 'Unbolted' on many of the riveted tenders, as on that particuler V2.

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Thank you for showing the vintage 4F duly finished. For what it is worth, I think it really looks the part and goes to show that folk were able to produce "decent" models from kits all those years ago. There has been some really lovely pictures on here of late and I find them inspirational and encouraging especially the ones of the real thing. They evoke what we are collectively trying to achieve in our own way.

 

Martin Long

 

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1 hour ago, beast66606 said:

 

Apart from the lie of the points - strictly speaking the points should lie to the buffers unless required for a move.

Absolutely right,

 

Unfortunately, the point you mention is really a 'dummy', and is only there as a 'scenic' item. It's a trap point, of course, set to deflect any vehicle making an 'illegal' move. 

 

In time? 

 

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Tony. 

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16 minutes ago, glo41f said:

Thank you for showing the vintage 4F duly finished. For what it is worth, I think it really looks the part and goes to show that folk were able to produce "decent" models from kits all those years ago. There has been some really lovely pictures on here of late and I find them inspirational and encouraging especially the ones of the real thing. They evoke what we are collectively trying to achieve in our own way.

 

Martin Long

 

Thanks Martin,

 

The finished Acro 4F has been improved by the fitting of several (up-to-date) SE Finecast 4F parts, but the basic form is that of the 70-year old kit itself. 

 

If nothing else, it goes to show how things have moved on in my lifetime, and how important the work of the pioneers was, immediately post-War. They had almost nothing to work with, were entirely self-reliant and creative, and didn't waste their time moaning about the lack of this or that. With regard to a 4F, I wonder whether it would have ever crossed their minds that in decades to come there'd be (at least) two decent kits for a 4F in 4mm Scale, plus two rather good RTR models. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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Glasses

 

I have a normal pair and a computer pair

 

Close up, no glasses

 

VERY short sighted.

 

Messaging.

 

My daughter says that full stops are agressive.

 

So I ALWAYS use them.

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I suspect the third pair of Roy's specs were the ones he needed to see where the other two pairs were...……...bit like me when I can't see where I have left my specs as I am not wearing them.

Like those B1 and the V2 pics. That type of (rare?) position of shots taken are useful for picking up detail that we would almost always see on models on a layout, but would not have been seen from line or platform side in spotting days.

Similarly coach roof detail shots are uncommon, especially when you need them most!

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Yet another loco-modelling project!

 

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This Bachmann B1 was most-generously donated for Mo and me to sell on behalf of CRUK. It had started out as SPRINGBOK, had been detailed and weathered, but had the awful split-chassis. It ran, but for how long? 

 

What I did was to buy the body and sell the chassis. Since I never saw 61000, I've changed it into one I did see - regularly. This one (or was it 61211?) was always known as 'Retford's Rocket'. I've added the electric lighting and need to unify the weathering. What's missing, of course, is a proper chassis. It'll build a Comet one for it. By the way, is Comet/Wizard/51L/MSE at Ally Pally over the weekend? 

 

It's a nice quick way of getting a decent-looking, decent-running B1, and an ER depiction cannot have too many of Thompson's finest. 

 

The tender retains the rearward position of the coal division plate. 

 

 

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Here is a picture of my SE Finecast J6 which I've finally finished this week. It's pulling my ballast train to compare with Jesse's. This has a Cambrian Sturgeon, a brass etch built Dolphin and a string of Parkside Grampus wagons. The Dolphin came from a kit I acquired on eBay by a company called something like A1 models. It was quite basic, and I wouldn't really recommend it.

 

Tony, I love the B1. I don't think Andrew does the bigger shows any more - he tends to do the more specialist shows.

 

Regards

 

Andy

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20 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

I find it rather gratifying that a 70-year old kit, which has resided in dusty, rotting and mouse-nibbled boxes for all of 69 years is now operating as a 'layout loco' on LB. Gosh, it's nearly as old as I am! 

Silk purse and sow's ear comes comes to mind, Tony. It's got real character!

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In the spirit of making things here is some progress on two of my current projects.IMG_4009.JPG.86e8f28e30f50c41a6a110253be33535.JPG

Here is a J39 under construction, the tender is a Dave Alexander North Eastern example as towed by Ardsley's 64979. The frames are comet and the body is from the static model collection that was produced a few years ago. The body is has a lot of the features of the Bachmannn model just with molded on details that will be replaced. 

 

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The second project has already appeared on the thread, however this time the chassis is mechanically complete it just needs some details adding and some parts painting such as the valve guide, It's my first attempt at outside valve gear and I reckon it runs rather well although I'm going to bring it along with me to York where Tony can be judge of it's running.A3_Chassis3.jpg.87c75c635c647b85efe395c5eeb3ec87.jpg

The kit is a DJH example which will become 60046 DIAMOND JUBILEE as it was in Winter 1958 when based at Doncaster. I really need to make a start on the body I started it in September last year so by Tony's standards the progress has been glacial, but as I now have the Isinglass drawing there is no excuse for making progress so I've got at least a little more than a chassis with a running plate bolted to it to show at York.

 

Cheers Robin

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Hi Tony, good to chat with you at Preston.

 

Heres a Whitemetal loco I have some concerns with. An EM gauge Millholme kit built by Chris Hewitt for his Olive Mount Junction layout and the concern is that it is extremely nose heavy.

 

Even with the body off the chassis is nose heavy. The cylinder block is solid whitemetal. The boiler is then solid white metal which makes it even more nose heavy.

 

I was asked to put a decoder in it without seeing it run. At the moment no track to run it on so it may actually be ok on the track. Might be a case of it’s not broke don’t fix it But..

Runs sweet upside down, place the chassis on rollers it’s clear it’s heavy at the front as it slows and the motor warms up. The rear drivers are touching the roller but not with any force. Lift the front up while it’s on the rollers and speeds back up happily.

 

What I did notice was the motor has loads of end float, probably down to years of being thrashed around Olive Mount Junction. So I have replaced the motor.

 

Im thinking some springing on the front pony may help? I need to see it run on a layout too, at the moment the layout is having ballast work done.

 

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4 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

By the way, is Comet/Wizard/51L/MSE at Ally Pally over the weekend?

 

Sadly not, Tony :(

https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/shows/show/the-london-festival-of-railway-modelling/exhibitors

 

Whilst there are one or two specialist suppliers (Hobby Holidays, for example) I sadly see no sign of any which may (who may?**) provide parts for 4mm Loco Construction.

SE Finecast used to attend, but they gave it away when the stand rents meant attending was purely a box-shifting exercise, with little or nothing to show in the way of profit.

 

HTH

Brian

 

** incoming......

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Delamar said:

Hi Tony, good to chat with you at Preston.

 

Heres a Whitemetal loco I have some concerns with. An EM gauge Millholme kit built by Chris Hewitt for his Olive Mount Junction layout and the concern is that it is extremely nose heavy.

 

Even with the body off the chassis is nose heavy. The cylinder block is solid whitemetal. The boiler is then solid white metal which makes it even more nose heavy.

 

I was asked to put a decoder in it without seeing it run. At the moment no track to run it on so it may actually be ok on the track. Might be a case of it’s not broke don’t fix it But..

Runs sweet upside down, place the chassis on rollers it’s clear it’s heavy at the front as it slows and the motor warms up. The rear drivers are touching the roller but not with any force. Lift the front up while it’s on the rollers and speeds back up happily.

 

What I did notice was the motor has loads of end float, probably down to years of being thrashed around Olive Mount Junction. So I have replaced the motor.

 

Im thinking some springing on the front pony may help? I need to see it run on a layout too, at the moment the layout is having ballast work done.

 

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I remember seeing somewhere about using the tender 'coupling' to bring pressure to bear on the rear drivers of a front heavy engine, in some non technical way that I can't remember I am sorry to say.

Phil

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3 hours ago, rob94 said:

In the spirit of making things here is some progress on two of my current projects.IMG_4009.JPG.86e8f28e30f50c41a6a110253be33535.JPG

Here is a J39 under construction, the tender is a Dave Alexander North Eastern example as towed by Ardsley's 64979. The frames are comet and the body is from the static model collection that was produced a few years ago. The body is has a lot of the features of the Bachmannn model just with molded on details that will be replaced. 

 

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The second project has already appeared on the thread, however this time the chassis is mechanically complete it just needs some details adding and some parts painting such as the valve guide, It's my first attempt at outside valve gear and I reckon it runs rather well although I'm going to bring it along with me to York where Tony can be judge of it's running.A3_Chassis3.jpg.87c75c635c647b85efe395c5eeb3ec87.jpg

The kit is a DJH example which will become 60046 DIAMOND JUBILEE as it was in Winter 1958 when based at Doncaster. I really need to make a start on the body I started it in September last year so by Tony's standards the progress has been glacial, but as I now have the Isinglass drawing there is no excuse for making progress so I've got at least a little more than a chassis with a running plate bolted to it to show at York.

 

Cheers Robin

Nice work, Robin,

 

I look forward to seeing it at York. 

 

A couple of points, if I may, please? 

 

In every photograph I've seen of it, the BR 'cycling lion' device always faced forwards on tanks and tenders. Yes, I know Beyer Garratts could be ambiguous, but for the NE tender illustrated, you'll have to change the lion's facing direction. 

 

Don't forget that 60046 was one of six A3s at any time in BR days to tow a streamlined non-corridor tender (ex-A4). 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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26 minutes ago, polybear said:

 

Sadly not, Tony :(

https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/shows/show/the-london-festival-of-railway-modelling/exhibitors

 

Whilst there are one or two specialist suppliers (Hobby Holidays, for example) I sadly see no sign of any which may (who may?**) provide parts for 4mm Loco Construction.

SE Finecast used to attend, but they gave it away when the stand rents meant attending was purely a box-shifting exercise, with little or nothing to show in the way of profit.

 

HTH

Brian

 

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Thanks Brian,

 

I thought that would be the case. He wasn't there last year.

 

A sad state of affairs I'm afraid. Last year at London's principal show I couldn't buy a motor/gears/gearbox, nor could I buy a metal locomotive kit (other than on the club second-hand stand). Wheels (loco ones) were conspicuous by their absence, and as for fittings - forget it. It'll be the same over this weekend I'd imagine. 

 

This is typical, now. Glasgow was the same. 

 

The answer? For builders like me, attend the specialist shows, though York still shines out as a beacon for 'modellers'. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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1 hour ago, Michael Delamar said:

Hi Tony, good to chat with you at Preston.

 

Heres a Whitemetal loco I have some concerns with. An EM gauge Millholme kit built by Chris Hewitt for his Olive Mount Junction layout and the concern is that it is extremely nose heavy.

 

Even with the body off the chassis is nose heavy. The cylinder block is solid whitemetal. The boiler is then solid white metal which makes it even more nose heavy.

 

I was asked to put a decoder in it without seeing it run. At the moment no track to run it on so it may actually be ok on the track. Might be a case of it’s not broke don’t fix it But..

Runs sweet upside down, place the chassis on rollers it’s clear it’s heavy at the front as it slows and the motor warms up. The rear drivers are touching the roller but not with any force. Lift the front up while it’s on the rollers and speeds back up happily.

 

What I did notice was the motor has loads of end float, probably down to years of being thrashed around Olive Mount Junction. So I have replaced the motor.

 

Im thinking some springing on the front pony may help? I need to see it run on a layout too, at the moment the layout is having ballast work done.

 

0806602D-52AE-4605-BF6B-245FAD48189C.jpeg.282b3bd627b7017b01a1210adbfa1445.jpeg

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was good to meet up with you as well, Michael,

 

One thing you did get with Millholme kits was full-value for white metal. The boxes induced hernias! 

 

Phil's (Duck) suggestion of resting the front of the tender on to the loco's drawbar/rear end is a good one. 

 

There could be some space between the frames in which lead could be packed (towards the rear), and you could line the cab roof's underneath with a strip of lead.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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28 minutes ago, polybear said:

 

Sadly not, Tony :(

https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/shows/show/the-london-festival-of-railway-modelling/exhibitors

 

Whilst there are one or two specialist suppliers (Hobby Holidays, for example) I sadly see no sign of any which may (who may?**) provide parts for 4mm Loco Construction.

SE Finecast used to attend, but they gave it away when the stand rents meant attending was purely a box-shifting exercise, with little or nothing to show in the way of profit.

 

HTH

Brian

 

** incoming......

 

Actually there are quite a few specialist suppliers on that list but it all depends what sort of 'specialist' you are looking for.  However the gaping goal is.  I agree,  in respect of parts for 4mm loco construction.  But it will - on past form - be a very different story when it comes to Railex in a couple of months time, as this list indicates -

 

http://railex.org.uk/railex2019t.htm

 

Overall it is very much the case that different shows have differing aims and are looking at different markets.  And not that any particular area of specialisation is dead but is, rather, to be found elsewhere if you look for it.   The same can I expect also be said of those attending shows in that those with whatever interest will gravitate towards the show(s) which interests them or that meets their particular needs.  Or putting it another way Ally Pally ain't Railex and Railex ain't Ally Pally (those of a grammtical inclination may substitute 'isn't' for the colloquial use of 'ain't').

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11 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

At last!

 

My pair of tractors are properly roped to their respective wagons; complete with chocks.

 

This is all down to good friend, Ray Chessum, who's done this for me. He's also painted the tractors.

 

Thanks Ray. 

 

 

 

 

Very nicely roped tractors there.

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 "attend the specialist shows, though York still shines out as a beacon for 'modellers'. "

 

That is why I make the effort to attend that show even though Ally Pally is cheaper and nearer (no accommodation cost!).  York also seems a friendly show and I always find a great deal to inspire and enthuse me. I am really looking forward to this years show not least being able to talk with our Leader!

 

Martin Long

 

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

It was good to meet up with you as well, Michael,

 

One thing you did get with Millholme kits was full-value for white metal. The boxes induced hernias! 

 

Phil's (Duck) suggestion of resting the front of the tender on to the loco's drawbar/rear end is a good one. 

 

There could be some space between the frames in which lead could be packed (towards the rear), and you could line the cab roof's underneath with a strip of lead.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Thanks both. I had thought about the tender mod and adding weight at the rear, thing is it’s soo heavy as it is. So heavy it may be a strain on its motor?

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