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On 11/10/2019 at 17:53, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Jesse,

 

'Criticism is how you learn, when I was only about 19 or 20 when I first met Tony, I was bombarded with criticism both good and bad'

 

Was all the criticism from me, Jesse? I believe the first words I spoke to you when we first met at Warley were 'What's wrong with your lip?' (in response to the thing you'd got in it!). 

 

It's a measure  of your strength of character and fortitude that you took any 'criticisms' of your appearance, your English and your model-making entirely on-board. And, may I say (and good for you), gave as good as you got in return? So much so that who'd have thought that a (now today!) 73 year old, miserable old git could become best mates with an Australian 50 years his junior? I count it a privilege and a pleasure to be in that lucky position. 

 

Your model-making has come on in leaps and bounds since I've known you. That's largely down to you, rather than any decent 'tuition' from me. You've also, very sensibly, learned from others. It's how we all started, and unless experienced modellers are prepared to pass on that experience and assist others in their model-making, then the hobby will crumble and die; as a 'making things' hobby, that is. Interestingly, when I promulgated that idea in my RM 'Comment' piece (as part of a wider observation), the article was soundly-condemned by some (on social media). As an aside, I've yet to meet any of those critics face-to-face, even though I'm at many shows. My name has come up again in a further RM piece, written by a youngster. By implication (and I could be wrong) he seems puzzled why I should suggest that always following prototype practice through observation is a good thing. He's been a contestant on the GMRC, by the way.   

 

Finally, the builder of Arnside (I assume you mean he's scratch-built the bridge, not his wife-to-be!) is 28 years old, but he was the age you are now when he started it. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Sorry for the lateness in a reply Tony, I have been away for the weekend, at my holiday house down south, where we had some lunch after going to Thirlmere Railway Museum.

 

Just a few Mates and myself, running a muck and riding dirt bikes. I did come off the dirt bike, over shot a 10 metre jump and landed pretty rough, feeling it today! 

 

Going back to that first time we met, those were your first words to me, as well as; “get a hair cut, I suppose you have tattoos aswell”, not as many as I have now in fact! Your kind comments always lift ones self up, it is a privilege for me to be your friend Tony, as well as everyone else I have met. I said to myself from the beginning, if I knuckle down and listen to you and everyone above me in the hobby I can learn much more then being an up myself little sh*t and so I did! Criticism or constructive criticism is the way of learning and it’s helped me along the way. I hope to pass on what I have learnt from one “73 year old miserable git” to the younger generation under me! 

 

I indeed meant bridge, not bride! 

 

Also, a Happiest of Birthdays from myself, my Mum and Dad and my Sister. (The Simo’s). 

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13 hours ago, ScRSG said:

October must be a good month for birthdays, I have one coming up too, although I have a whole year younger than you, Tony, Just to show we still attempt to build things at our great age here is one I have just "finished", ready to join Vitalspark's 60012 on our next venture after Alloa.

 

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Chas

That's a brilliant model, Chas,

 

Thanks for showing us. A PDK (ex-Crownline) kit? 

 

And full marks for observation, too! You've put the extra strip on the base of 60507's tender tank. HIGHLAND CHIEFTAIN was, of course, unique among the A2/1s in towing an ex-A4 tender. The refurbished one from the smashed-to-bits A4 at York during the War. 

 

It always seems a bit of a puzzle that 60508 remained in England. After all, its name, DUKE OF ROTHESAY (aka the Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall), is entirely Scottish. The other three also carried Scottish names and, appropriately, remained north of the border. Yet Haymarket had its solitary A2/3, HONEYWAY. A swop would have made sense (though the A2/3 was more powerful). That said, from a personal level, it meant I saw an A2/1 in the form of 60508. She (he?) could be seen daily at Retford, on the same hum-drum duties that 35A's other Thompson Pacifics were on. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony.

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7 hours ago, Jesse Sim said:

Sorry for the lateness in a reply Tony, I have been away for the weekend, at my holiday house down south, where we had some lunch after going to Thirlmere Railway Museum.

 

Just a few Mates and myself, running a muck and riding dirt bikes. I did come off the dirt bike, over shot a 10 metre jump and landed pretty rough, feeling it today! 

 

Going back to that first time we met, those were your first words to me, as well as; “get a hair cut, I suppose you have tattoos aswell”, not as many as I have now in fact! Your kind comments always lift ones self up, it is a privilege for me to be your friend Tony, as well as everyone else I have met. I said to myself from the beginning, if I knuckle down and listen to you and everyone above me in the hobby I can learn much more then being an up myself little sh*t and so I did! Criticism or constructive criticism is the way of learning and it’s helped me along the way. I hope to pass on what I have learnt from one “73 year old miserable git” to the younger generation under me! 

 

I indeed meant bridge, not bride! 

 

Also, a Happiest of Birthdays from myself, my Mum and Dad and my Sister. (The Simo’s). 

Good morning Jesse,

 

Please pass on my thanks to your family for their well-wishes.

 

I'm not quite sure I like the phrase ' above' someone in the hobby. There are many who (through age) are more experienced, and I'd use that in preference to 'above'. 

 

But age (or lack of it) shouldn't preclude anyone from being 'respected' in the hobby. I watched the GMRC on Saturday night (because Graham Nicholas and his team were in it) and, in my opinion (despite my yelling hideous expletives at the telly throughout!) the one person who came out of it with any real credit (there weren't many in my view) was the young bloke (16, I think) who was doing the wiring on one of the layouts. He spoke well, knew what he was doing and folk could learn how to model railways from him. Yes, model railways. I'll say no more. 

 

See you next month.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

That's a brilliant model, Chas,

 

Thanks for showing us. A PDK (ex-Crownline) kit? 

 

And full marks for observation, too! You've put the extra strip on the base of 60507's tender tank. HIGHLAND CHIEFTAIN was, of course, unique among the A2/1s in towing an ex-A4 tender. The refurbished one from the smashed-to-bits A4 at York during the War. 

 

It always seems a bit of a puzzle that 60508 remained in England. After all, its name, DUKE OF ROTHESAY (aka the Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall), is entirely Scottish. The other three also carried Scottish names and, appropriately, remained north of the border. Yet Haymarket had its solitary A2/3, HONEYWAY. A swop would have made sense (though the A2/3 was more powerful). That said, from a personal level, it meant I saw an A2/1 in the form of 60508. She (he?) could be seen daily at Retford, on the same hum-drum duties that 35A's other Thompson Pacifics were on. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony.

 

Yes, indeed, a PDK kit, resin boiler et al, which makes adding weight a bit more difficult, but I have to say that, (heresy?) it does take to superglue extremely well!

 

The tender strip was noted when we discussed these earlier in the thread re. A4's and you noted then that it was on 60507's tender - I have to admit I might not have noticed otherwise!

 

Chas

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2 hours ago, ScRSG said:

 

Yes, indeed, a PDK kit, resin boiler et al, which makes adding weight a bit more difficult, but I have to say that, (heresy?) it does take to superglue extremely well!

 

The tender strip was noted when we discussed these earlier in the thread re. A4's and you noted then that it was on 60507's tender - I have to admit I might not have noticed otherwise!

 

Chas

Thanks Chas,

 

I'm glad I was able to help with a detail on your model.

 

Considering there were only four in the class, and they weren't all that popular (being Thompson Pacifics?), models of them have been quite common. 

 

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In 1976, I ordered a Jamieson hand-cut kit of one from EAMES/King's Cross Models, building/painting it as 60508 DUKE OF ROTHESAY. 

 

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Some 20 years later, I built another A2/1, from a Nu-Cast kit. It saw service on Little Bytham, on a running-in turn.

 

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Prior to that, it also saw the same service on Stoke Summit. Ian Rathbone painted it, and it's now been sold to a mate in Scotland (where it really belongs).

 

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Speaking of Scotland, here's Eric Kidd's Nu-Cast A2/1 - all his own work. 

 

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Friend David West is building a PDK A2/1 (I think he's finished it now). 41010869_Barnatt12A21onshed.jpg.b370734e849c765c5b88c5bacf9fbc44.jpg

 

John Houlden built a PDK A2/1 for Gilbert Barnatt. Here it is on Gilbert's layout, the attic-based one, prior to Peterborough North. 

 

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He also built a PDK A2/1 for Tom Foster, who subsequently sold it to Geoff West. 

 

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John also built an A2/1 for himself, to run on Gamston Bank. This might have been an adaptation of some kind. I sold it on to Andy Sparkes. 

 

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And the real thing, running in reverse through Haymarket Station on its way to Waverley, in 1955. 

 

I have a picture of the late Roy Jackson's 60508 somewhere, running on Retford, but I can't find it right now. 

 

An interest type. I know others have made models of them, some with the original deflectors and small tender.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

 

And full marks for observation, too! You've put the extra strip on the base of 60507's tender tank. HIGHLAND CHIEFTAIN was, of course, unique among the A2/1s in towing an ex-A4 tender. The refurbished one from the smashed-to-bits A4 at York during the War. 

Tony.

Yes Tony but of course now that this has been highlighted it meant that all at the group went scurrying off to examine the tenders attached to their A4s hoping they might not need modified.

My 60012 of course being a Coronation loco was wrong.

Was unaware of this damn strip of course and was up to that point very happy with my paint finish.

Thanks Tony/Chas!!

Mod underway.

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3 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

I watched the GMRC on Saturday night (because Graham Nicholas and his team were in it) and, in my opinion (despite my yelling hideous expletives at the telly throughout!) the one person who came out of it with any real credit (there weren't many in my view) was the young bloke (16, I think) who was doing the wiring on one of the layouts. He spoke well, knew what he was doing and folk could learn how to model railways from him. 


I must sit down and watch an episode one day and if I can find the one you watched, I’ll do it next time Carol has an early night. As to cursing at the TV I do that almost every time I turn it on.... to think we are supposedly one of the better countries beggars belief!
 

As an aside.  In the dim distant past I watched some Italian TV (awful) including a Grand Prix. There were adverts in the middle of a ‘live’ race but wonderfully if anything happened to a Ferrari whilst the adverts were on they cut back to the race instantly!

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11 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Chas,

 

I'm glad I was able to help with a detail on your model.

 

Considering there were only four in the class, and they weren't all that popular (being Thompson Pacifics?), models of them have been quite common. 

 

437215355_JamiesonA21.jpg.63298b98b1921484f0fed5d9dd364810.jpg

 

In 1976, I ordered a Jamieson hand-cut kit of one from EAMES/King's Cross Models, building/painting it as 60508 DUKE OF ROTHESAY. 

 

1330358390_Nu-CastA21.jpg.89038350c150b18d509bb8456a9e1857.jpg

 

Some 20 years later, I built another A2/1, from a Nu-Cast kit. It saw service on Little Bytham, on a running-in turn.

 

1534143996_60510BW.jpg.a497a45b68c073bdbf3be4605b27795b.jpg

 

Prior to that, it also saw the same service on Stoke Summit. Ian Rathbone painted it, and it's now been sold to a mate in Scotland (where it really belongs).

 

60507.jpg.67c575d87f09962e988422ea9ccee2c3.jpg

 

Speaking of Scotland, here's Eric Kidd's Nu-Cast A2/1 - all his own work. 

 

1522079812_DavidWestA21.jpg.cec834d7269142c785a626294c119cb3.jpg

 

Friend David West is building a PDK A2/1 (I think he's finished it now). 41010869_Barnatt12A21onshed.jpg.b370734e849c765c5b88c5bacf9fbc44.jpg

 

John Houlden built a PDK A2/1 for Gilbert Barnatt. Here it is on Gilbert's layout, the attic-based one, prior to Peterborough North. 

 

718110921_PDKA21.jpg.b1c0b339cf340ffc56bfda73b1e35e4b.jpg

 

He also built a PDK A2/1 for Tom Foster, who subsequently sold it to Geoff West. 

 

101993183_A2160508.jpg.dfacb937464c20565473b4ae8b4c94b7.jpg

 

John also built an A2/1 for himself, to run on Gamston Bank. This might have been an adaptation of some kind. I sold it on to Andy Sparkes. 

 

534743652_A2160510HaymarketStation1955.jpg.6b198d449ef1e2918813d19800a68224.jpg

 

And the real thing, running in reverse through Haymarket Station on its way to Waverley, in 1955. 

 

I have a picture of the late Roy Jackson's 60508 somewhere, running on Retford, but I can't find it right now. 

 

An interest type. I know others have made models of them, some with the original deflectors and small tender.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

 

 

 

Some lovely models there Tony.

Attached Roys 60508 taken on Sunday and no doubt the last time I will view this on Retford.

A lovely day with friends and the family but as I'm sure you will agree also a bit sad.

Lets hope the future for this magnificent layout is positive.

 

The group pic should be interesting ..I have an excellent shot of you doing the 100 yard sprint!

 

Glasgow show now finalised and looking forward to seeing you and Mo once more.

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Dave. 

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I spent my weekend exhibiting our club layout at the Croydon show. It was an enjoyable show but both exhibits and attendance seemed down on previous years, possibly due to the atrocious weather.

 

I managed to pick up a couple of cheap kits at a bargain price (£55 for the pair). They look like they might make decent models with some TLC. The first is an N2.

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I’m struggling to work out the provenance of this kit as it seems to be mainly made of brass. The chassis is a couple of strips of thickish brass. Does anyone have any ideas who  might have made this? It’s quite well constructed, but will obviously need new wheels, some detailing (brake blocks, lamp irons etc) and repainting. It may need a new motor too as the can motor fitted seems quite noisy.

 

The other kit is a V2.

 

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This one is again mainly made of brass. I suspect it might be Jamieson, but would welcome any confirmation of that or alternative suggestions. It runs on an old X04 so will definitely need a new motor as well as wheels, a repaint and detailing.

 

 Thanks in advance for any help identifying the kits.

 

Andy

 

PS. Tony, 60508 is still going strong.

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Further belated birthday wishes from a fellow member of the 1946 vintage Tony,  apologies for the late posting, just catching up

after a weekend with the mob operating B'm'th West at GETS, Milton Keynes.

 

Interested to see the Jerry Lee clip as well, was at the Granada recording in Manchester as a guest of Guy Stevens who was 

running the Chuck Berry app.  society  at that time. Great days, think the Animals and Sounds Incorporated  performed as well

if memory serves.

 

Regards, Chris Knight

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9 hours ago, NickM said:

Andrew - that BT 7 is wonderful and thanks for the painting info - that is very useful as I'm planning on making a couple of Metropolitan coaches soon.

 

Evening Nick,

 

many thanks. You didn't mention the time period that you are modelling. However, you may find this image of use, the weathering is quite distinctive on these carriages and how come you never see sooty roofs like that on model railway carriages?

Grey plastic is the new black.

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On 13/10/2019 at 11:58, Tony Wright said:

Just photographed for BRM, Dapol's latest N Gauge Class 50...................

 

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It looks good to me.

 

 

 

Yes, it looks good but there are some disappointing issues with it (discussed at length in the Dapol thread here on RMweb). However, it is a massive improvement over the old Farish class 50 (from the last millennium) including current modern standards and performance as well as fidelity.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Chas,

 

I'm glad I was able to help with a detail on your model.

 

Considering there were only four in the class, and they weren't all that popular (being Thompson Pacifics?), models of them have been quite common. 

 

437215355_JamiesonA21.jpg.63298b98b1921484f0fed5d9dd364810.jpg

 

In 1976, I ordered a Jamieson hand-cut kit of one from EAMES/King's Cross Models, building/painting it as 60508 DUKE OF ROTHESAY. 

 

1330358390_Nu-CastA21.jpg.89038350c150b18d509bb8456a9e1857.jpg

 

Some 20 years later, I built another A2/1, from a Nu-Cast kit. It saw service on Little Bytham, on a running-in turn.

 

1534143996_60510BW.jpg.a497a45b68c073bdbf3be4605b27795b.jpg

 

Prior to that, it also saw the same service on Stoke Summit. Ian Rathbone painted it, and it's now been sold to a mate in Scotland (where it really belongs).

 

60507.jpg.67c575d87f09962e988422ea9ccee2c3.jpg

 

Speaking of Scotland, here's Eric Kidd's Nu-Cast A2/1 - all his own work. 

 

1522079812_DavidWestA21.jpg.cec834d7269142c785a626294c119cb3.jpg

 

Friend David West is building a PDK A2/1 (I think he's finished it now). 41010869_Barnatt12A21onshed.jpg.b370734e849c765c5b88c5bacf9fbc44.jpg

 

John Houlden built a PDK A2/1 for Gilbert Barnatt. Here it is on Gilbert's layout, the attic-based one, prior to Peterborough North. 

 

718110921_PDKA21.jpg.b1c0b339cf340ffc56bfda73b1e35e4b.jpg

 

He also built a PDK A2/1 for Tom Foster, who subsequently sold it to Geoff West. 

 

101993183_A2160508.jpg.dfacb937464c20565473b4ae8b4c94b7.jpg

 

John also built an A2/1 for himself, to run on Gamston Bank. This might have been an adaptation of some kind. I sold it on to Andy Sparkes. 

 

534743652_A2160510HaymarketStation1955.jpg.6b198d449ef1e2918813d19800a68224.jpg

 

And the real thing, running in reverse through Haymarket Station on its way to Waverley, in 1955. 

 

I have a picture of the late Roy Jackson's 60508 somewhere, running on Retford, but I can't find it right now. 

 

An interest type. I know others have made models of them, some with the original deflectors and small tender.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

 

 

Hi Tony

This is the only one of the four A2/1 class members that is not in your photos you have published of the class.

 

A2/1 69509 Waverley a PDK model built by Paul at PDK for me about five years ago.

 

Regards

 

David

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I thought I would wind Sir up, by showing him a split frame chassis with a motor glued in. 

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It is a new chassis for Denys Brownlee’s N2 that runs on CF.  It failed last weekend at the Fareham Show after only 30 years of continuous running and countless hundreds of miles on CF.  (More details on the 2mm section). 

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The engine obviously needs some more detailing up for its suburban workings on CF. It was recently repainted beautifully by Ian Rathbone. 
 

Tim

 

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On 08/10/2019 at 10:04, Clive Mortimore said:

Hi Dave

 

See another one "No one will ever make a RTR model of". Next time I run it I will leave the bridge up and have the bin ready to catch it.

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All that money I have wasted on plastic card in building my own locos. I could have saved it and over the years I would be just over half way in having the funds to by a new RTR model toy.

 

 

Bolleaux. Meaning that your models are superb because you built them. Your money is not wasted, it is enjoyed,

 

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2 hours ago, Headstock said:

 

Evening Nick,

 

many thanks. You didn't mention the time period that you are modelling. However, you may find this image of use, the weathering is quite distinctive on these carriages and how come you never see sooty roofs like that on model railway carriages?

Grey plastic is the new black.

Metropolitan 422.jpg


A rather fine example of a Metropolitan Railway coach. I believe there’s one on the Worth Valley.

 

Stephen

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9 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Chas,

 

I'm glad I was able to help with a detail on your model.

 

Considering there were only four in the class, and they weren't all that popular (being Thompson Pacifics?), models of them have been quite common. 

 

437215355_JamiesonA21.jpg.63298b98b1921484f0fed5d9dd364810.jpg

 

In 1976, I ordered a Jamieson hand-cut kit of one from EAMES/King's Cross Models, building/painting it as 60508 DUKE OF ROTHESAY. 

 

1330358390_Nu-CastA21.jpg.89038350c150b18d509bb8456a9e1857.jpg

 

Some 20 years later, I built another A2/1, from a Nu-Cast kit. It saw service on Little Bytham, on a running-in turn.

 

1534143996_60510BW.jpg.a497a45b68c073bdbf3be4605b27795b.jpg

 

Prior to that, it also saw the same service on Stoke Summit. Ian Rathbone painted it, and it's now been sold to a mate in Scotland (where it really belongs).

 

60507.jpg.67c575d87f09962e988422ea9ccee2c3.jpg

 

Speaking of Scotland, here's Eric Kidd's Nu-Cast A2/1 - all his own work. 

 

1522079812_DavidWestA21.jpg.cec834d7269142c785a626294c119cb3.jpg

 

Friend David West is building a PDK A2/1 (I think he's finished it now). 41010869_Barnatt12A21onshed.jpg.b370734e849c765c5b88c5bacf9fbc44.jpg

 

John Houlden built a PDK A2/1 for Gilbert Barnatt. Here it is on Gilbert's layout, the attic-based one, prior to Peterborough North. 

 

718110921_PDKA21.jpg.b1c0b339cf340ffc56bfda73b1e35e4b.jpg

 

He also built a PDK A2/1 for Tom Foster, who subsequently sold it to Geoff West. 

 

101993183_A2160508.jpg.dfacb937464c20565473b4ae8b4c94b7.jpg

 

John also built an A2/1 for himself, to run on Gamston Bank. This might have been an adaptation of some kind. I sold it on to Andy Sparkes. 

 

534743652_A2160510HaymarketStation1955.jpg.6b198d449ef1e2918813d19800a68224.jpg

 

And the real thing, running in reverse through Haymarket Station on its way to Waverley, in 1955. 

 

I have a picture of the late Roy Jackson's 60508 somewhere, running on Retford, but I can't find it right now. 

 

An interest type. I know others have made models of them, some with the original deflectors and small tender.

 

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Tony. 

 

 

 

 

My efforts

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, StephenB said:


A rather fine example of a Metropolitan Railway coach. I believe there’s one on the Worth Valley.

 

Stephen

Good evening Stepohen,

 

The vintage carriage trust, based at Ingrow on the KWVR, has three Metropolitan carriages, a full first, full third and a brake third. I believe that all are restored and are currently in full working order. The museum at Ingrow is well worth a visit, as lots of carriage goodness lurks inside.

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6 hours ago, Headstock said:

 

the weathering is quite distinctive on these carriages and how come you never see sooty roofs like that on model railway carriages?

Grey plastic is the new black.

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You do on our trainset.

Bachmann inspection saloon complete with a sooty roof..and brought up to date with a Scotrail 47/7.

And yes some of the wagons are awaiting their next turn on the weathering bench.

 

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"... three Metropolitan carriages, a full first, full third and a brake third ..."

 

Composite 509 is beautifully restored as a First Class Coach ...

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Main thing is that it's good to have these around, still, and in good hands.  Picture from VCT twitter.

 

"... the weathering is quite distinctive on these carriages ..."

 

Real Underground dirt below solebar can have a little dirty mud splash but for roof, body/windows and the running gear, the main component of dirt is a 'weathering powder' in the form of Tunnel Dust, very fine and dark, near black, all pervasive, and 'sticky', though fairly dry.  A note on Underground vehicle roof colour - back in history it wasn't unusual for vehicles to come out from overhaul with grey or 'red oxide' roof colour [old hands tell me the latter tended to be a mix of the Paint Shop's remnants from the previous week, with a lot of Railway Red, of course].  After a few months any of the roof paint coatings would be dulled by weather and exposure to tunnel dust, all becoming a typical dark colour as time passed. 

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10 hours ago, Headstock said:

Good evening Stepohen,

 

The vintage carriage trust, based at Ingrow on the KWVR, has three Metropolitan carriages, a full first, full third and a brake third. I believe that all are restored and are currently in full working order. The museum at Ingrow is well worth a visit, as lots of carriage goodness lurks inside.

They were originally bought for the ill fated attempt to re-open the Westerham branch in the early 1960’s. As we all know, this is now part of the M25, what a tragic waste. It was the same with the Ashburton branch, move the new road alignment over by a few feet and you could have had both. Planning, especially highway planning, can be so short sighted. Rant over.

Stephen

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12 hours ago, CF MRC said:

I thought I would wind Sir up, by showing him a split frame chassis with a motor glued in. 

 

Tim

 

 

Fabulous work as usual Tim. I could show one of mine which as well as split frame and glued in motor also includes a DCC chip but we may have to find the poor boy a chair :):mosking:

 

cheers Jerry

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1 hour ago, StephenB said:

They were originally bought for the ill fated attempt to re-open the Westerham branch in the early 1960’s. As we all know, this is now part of the M25, what a tragic waste. It was the same with the Ashburton branch, move the new road alignment over by a few feet and you could have had both. Planning, especially highway planning, can be so short sighted. Rant over.

Stephen

Rumour in the area at the time was that the extra cost of adding in a bridge over the Winchester - Alton line for the M3 was used as a cost against the branch line. Close the line no need for the bridge. There is a logic to that, but only when the view is pro-road.

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