Wright writes.....

[Mallard60022]

 May I ask if anyone can identify loco 2114 pre 1948; a 2.8.0. with Westinghouse gear fitted off- side smokebox and probably at Thrumpton Loco and what was its' number in BR days if it survived until then? Looks like a Robinson 2.8.0. to me and I am sorry but the photo I have will not upload.

Tony, if it is OK I shall return some items, long overdue, to you at Donny on Sunday if that is convenient?

ATB

Phil

Edited February 2, 2020 by Mallard60022

[kingfisher24]

It’s been a while since I looked on this thread and very nice all round, I always look forward to seeing more progress on LB.

I have been working my socks off for the past few months so not had much time for anything other than parenting and sleep. But recently re started some modelling.   
I have refurbished a very neglected Nu Cast k2/2 (just awaiting nameplates to complete it. Also all but completed by conversion of an Adam’s radial tank into a Highland railway Loch 4-4-0 and last week made a start on converting an old triang m7 body into a North British class  c16 with another Adams radial chassis for the power. The chassis has been pounced on by mr dremel to allow me to fit the larger wheels and more modifications to follow before its complete. I must say it’s nice to get back into things after an enforced break.

[kingfisher24]

I’m looking forward to finishing the c16 which shouldn’t take long, and certainly much cheaper than the kit which isn’t so easy to find nowadays. £35 total so far.

[Chamby]

1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said:

 May I ask if anyone can identify loco 2114 pre 1948; a 2.8.0. with Westinghouse gear fitted off- side smokebox and probably at Thrumpton Loco and what was its' number in BR days if it survived until then? Looks like a Robinson 2.8.0. to me and I am sorry but the photo I have will not upload.

Tony, if it is OK I shall return some items, long overdue, to you at Donny on Sunday if that is convenient?

ATB

Phil

 

BRdatabase lists 2114 as an ex-NER B14 2-6-0 scrapped in 1930 and last based at Hull.  The number was apparently not allocated in Thompson’s 1946 renumbering and therefore didn’t exist with a 6- prefix in BR ownership.  

 

Are you sure about the number?

[Darryl Tooley]

2 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

May I ask if anyone can identify loco 2114 pre 1948; a 2.8.0. with Westinghouse gear fitted off- side smokebox and probably at Thrumpton Loco and what was its' number in BR days if it survived until then? Looks like a Robinson 2.8.0. to me and I am sorry but the photo I have will not upload.

From the description, it almost certainly is a Robinson 2-8-0 and is liable to be ROD No 2114, built by NBL in 1919 and latterly GWR No 3045.  It was withdrawn prior to 1948.

 

Sources: RCTS vol 6B; Loco Profile No 2; Steam Locomotives of British Railways (Casserley).

 

D

[Tony Wright]

On 31/01/2020 at 14:49, Clive Mortimore said:

Hello Tony

 

Deltic detail nick picking time.

 

Numbers D9016 and D9021 have the wrong type of yellow panel. The bottom corners should be square not rounded. Rounded bottom corners were only applied to Finsbury park locos, gradually having these replaced with square bottom corners to the panel. Except D9020 which was delivered with square bottom corners. Which brings me on to roof mounted warning horns, both D9020 and D9021 were delivered with these fitted, does your model represent D9021 after these were removed as it is running post November 1963 when it was named. I think it ran for a time with name plates and roof horns.

 

D9016 seems to have acquired air brake pipes, it didn't do so until October 1967, 9 months after being painted blue.

Dear me, dear me, Clive,

 

My most humble apologies for such appalling acts of wanton transgression. Ignorance was bliss, and you were quite right to 'nit-pick' (I've never heard of 'nick pick'. What is that, please?).

 

I think you've forgotten that D9019 also had roof-mounted horns on delivery. As for whether D9021 is right without its roof-mounted horns, I must plead complete ignorance.

 

Note to self: never, ever again post pictures of models of Deltics!!!!!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

11 hours ago, Andrew P said:

Hi Tony, Good to see you and Mo today at Stafford, it seemed you were busy all day.

 

John and I hope to arrange a visit in a few weeks when the evenings pull out a bit and the weather warms up.

 

We hope you had a good journey home.

Good morning Andy,

 

It was good to see you and John as well.

 

We were very busy, and Mo and I made over £60.00 for CRUK. May I please thank all those who donated most-generously? The highlight was when I got a big blue GORDON working again for a small boy. 'Scale modelling' indeed!

 

 

I was given a substantial amount of space, and we hardly had a time when folk weren't looking or asking questions (this was taken just before the show opened yesterday morning). It was a real privilege to be invited. 

 

May I please thank all the Stafford members for putting on such an exceptional show?

 

Best in show for me?

 

 

 

Harlyn Pier in O Gauge by Peter Beckley. Look out for it in a future issue of BRM.......

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

[MEGair]

Hi Tony and all,

 

I haven't posted for a while as have been busy with other things, like working on the house and lost a little of the modelling mojo.

Since several people have been putting up photos of their models under construction, I thought I better add one I have started over the last week.

 

I am constructing the Observation coach for the LNER Coronation set.  I was not happy with the shape of the Mailcoach kit and decided to purchase a 3-D printed version via the Shapeways website.  I have sanded the body, undercoated and sanded again.  I have used the Mailcoach floor and interior parts.  I am not really happy with the armchairs as they appear to be slightly small compared to the photo I have seen.  Any suggestions. I think I will have a few figures (people) sitting in the seats to hide them a little.  Glazing the end will be a challenge around the curve end. Will have to get some Glue and glaze.  The bogies are the fine Isinglass Models bogies. Just a small drill bit to deepen the holes slighty for the pin point bearings and the wheels roll very nicely.  The bogie under the end of the floor is a Bachmann Thompson bogie as it is fitted with a coupling. Will be replaced with the Isinglass bogie when the coupling is fitted to that.  I will paint the body with a white undercoat and paint the interior, before turning to the 2 tone blue.  Silver lining pen will be used for lining.

Has been tested behind A4 Commonwealth of Australia, Rapido Dynomometer car and 6 Coronation coaches and is all okay.  

 

Mark in Oz

[Dave Hunt]

Good to see you and Mo yesterday Tony and I also thought Harlyn Pier was the best in show.

 

Dave

Edited February 3, 2020 by Dave Hunt
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[Tony Wright]

17 minutes ago, Dave Hunt said:

Good to see you and Mo yesterday Tony and I also thought Harlyn Pier was the best in show.

 

Dave

It was good to see you and your family, Dave,

 

I hope you eventually found your dad......

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[St Enodoc]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Andy,

 

It was good to see you and John as well.

 

We were very busy, and Mo and I made over £60.00 for CRUK. May I please thank all those who donated most-generously? The highlight was when I got a big blue GORDON working again for a small boy. 'Scale modelling' indeed!

 

 

I was given a substantial amount of space, and we hardly had a time when folk weren't looking or asking questions (this was taken just before the show opened yesterday morning). It was a real privilege to be invited. 

 

May I please thank all the Stafford members for putting on such an exceptional show?

 

Best in show for me?

 

 

 

Harlyn Pier in O Gauge by Peter Beckley. Look out for it in a future issue of BRM.......

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

Nit-picking time again...

 

Isn't the sea horizon a little high?

[Flying Pig]

17 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Nit-picking time again...

 

Isn't the sea horizon a little high?

 

The tide's in.

 

(Actually the tide is out on Harlyn Pier and the modelling of the exposed mud in the harbour is strikingly good.)

[St Enodoc]

15 minutes ago, Flying Pig said:

 

The tide's in.

 

(Actually the tide is out on Harlyn Pier and the modelling of the exposed mud in the harbour is strikingly good.)

Understood, but the sea horizon should be at the observer's eye level. In Tony's second photo, the camera (eye) is about level with the lower edge of the coach windows, yet the horizon is much higher. Similarly, in the third photo, the camera is roughly level with the shunter in the distance but the horizon is, again, much higher. Actually, I suspect that it's something that's almost impossible to get right on a model unless the viewpoint is very heavily constrained.

[thegreenhowards]

3 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Andy,

 

It was good to see you and John as well.

 

We were very busy, and Mo and I made over £60.00 for CRUK. May I please thank all those who donated most-generously? The highlight was when I got a big blue GORDON working again for a small boy. 'Scale modelling' indeed!

 

 

I was given a substantial amount of space, and we hardly had a time when folk weren't looking or asking questions (this was taken just before the show opened yesterday morning). It was a real privilege to be invited. 

 

May I please thank all the Stafford members for putting on such an exceptional show?

 

Best in show for me?

 

 

 

Harlyn Pier in O Gauge by Peter Beckley. Look out for it in a future issue of BRM.......

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

I’d never argue with that choice. I’ve seen it several times and always stay and watch for quite a while. It’s a superb layout.

 

Andy

[Dave Hunt]

39 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Understood, but the sea horizon should be at the observer's eye level. .... Actually, I suspect that it's something that's almost impossible to get right on a model unless the viewpoint is very heavily constrained.

 

Agreed - when viewing the layout from the 'normal' observer's level at an exhibition, i.e., standing, the viewpoint is well above platform level so the horizon looks about right. Mind you, I'm 6ft 4in tall so I may be biased?

 

I also agree with Flying Pig about the modelling of the mud and sand with the tide out - exceptionally good I thought, as is the exposed rock at the end of the pier.

 

Yes, Tony, I eventually found Dad being entertained royally by the Bala lake railway people and not bothered about not having seen me for a while at all.

 

Dave   

[Flying Pig]

44 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Actually, I suspect that it's something that's almost impossible to get right on a model unless the viewpoint is very heavily constrained.

 

It probably is for a water horizon - distant hills are a lot more accommodating.  Buildings in perspective are the worst in this respect and can look very unnatural if viewed from the 'wrong' height.  On the whole, though, the backscene of Harlyn Pier is outstandingly good in the way it blends with the modelling and conveys a sense of space.  The builder spent several minutes telling me that he had no artistic skill and that it was essentially a painting by numbers excersise but I remain unconvinced.

[thegreenhowards]

On 28/11/2019 at 14:21, Darryl Tooley said:

The owner of the Dennis Seabrook Collection has loaned it to the LNER Society for digitisation, which is more or less complete, and cataloguing, which isn't.  There are about 4,000 images in the collection, the majority of which are portraits of ex-LNER and constituent carriages in the 1950s.  There are eight photographs of E1225E taken over a number of years.

 

The corridor side appears unaltered; the kitchen side has been modified as indicated by Robert, such that, reading from right to left, there are 14 panels between the second seating bay window, and the first kitchen window.

 

Most of the photographs show the earlier BR livery, with gas tanks amidships on either side; one photograph in the later livery shows battery boxes there.

 

All photographs show Gresley bogies of course, but HD at the kitchen end only throughout.

 Darryl,

 

This is going back a bit, but I’ve finally finished my take on the rebuilt D.16 RKB, E1225E. I started by making a diagram from the photos you sent, for which many thanks again.

 

And then cut and shut bit of Kirk kits to make the sides. Here is the finished coach.

 

The sides are slightly wonky in this cruel close up, but that’s somewhat inevitable given the number of cuts and shuts. I chose E1225E because several of your photos showed it at Bounds Green or nearby, so I assume it was used on the GN.

 

More details of the build for anyone interested are available on my workbench thread, starting here

Andy

[CF MRC]

1 hour ago, Flying Pig said:

 

It probably is for a water horizon - distant hills are a lot more accommodating.  Buildings in perspective are the worst in this respect and can look very unnatural if viewed from the 'wrong' height.  On the whole, though, the backscene of Harlyn Pier is outstandingly good in the way it blends with the modelling and conveys a sense of space.  The builder spent several minutes telling me that he had no artistic skill and that it was essentially a painting by numbers excersise but I remain unconvinced.

I think most modellers set their horizon lines too high for their layout (mountain scenes excepted).  A lower horizon will give a greater feeling of distance. 
 

Tim

[Tony Wright]

Regarding the horizon on Harlyn pier, it's dictated by Peter's backscene (which is very well-executed).

 

From some angles, it isn't horizontal, so it's impossible to do much..........

 

 

Where's there's no sea, and the angle for photography is dead straight-on, it's fine....

 

 

It's probably a bit high to the left, but so what?

 

Just rejoice in the superlative modelling! 

 

 

 

 

[Mallard60022]

Thought it was ROD so thanks; great info. I am going to try to get the phot sorted so I can post  it here.

Edited February 3, 2020 by Mallard60022
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[Barry Ten]

27 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

 

It's probably a bit high to the left, but so what?

 

Just rejoice in the superlative modelling! 

 

 

 

 

 

There's a Monet in the Courthauld gallery where the sea horizon line is higher on one side of the painting than the other, so it's in good company.

 

 

Al

[gwrrob]

I thought it was an excellent layout with the added bonus of the Devil's pannier present.

 

[Mallard60022]

44 minutes ago, gwrrob said:

I thought it was an excellent layout with the added bonus of the Devil's pannier present.

 

That pannier was the last I saw in service in the west; shedded at Exmouth Junction around 1965 I think it was.     Fine looking model. 

[Manxcat]

Tony,

 

For an explanation on the meaning and origin of "nit-picking" follow this link....     www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-nit1.htm 

 

Archie

[The Johnster]

1 hour ago, Barry Ten said:

 

There's a Monet in the Courthauld gallery where the sea horizon line is higher on one side of the painting than the other, so it's in good company.

 

 

Al

So how do you stop the water pouring out at one end?