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34 minutes ago, Hollar said:

I once heard the great rugby referee Nigel Owens say to a player I didn't hear that, but if I hear anything like it again your afternoon will be over, is that clear?  A great inspiration to me when I was umpiring county league cricket, where emotions would occasionally run high (in that controlled English manner, of course).

 

On the other hand, racist or strong personal abuse, I could hear clearly from miles away.

 

Tone

Once, when I was refereeing in Singapore, a forward retiring to the goal line after I awarded a try against his team called me a cheating ****. As he was a forward, I thought I'd give him another chance, so I called his captain over and said "I don't think I quite heard what you said. Can you say it again please?". As he was a forward, he said exactly the same thing again. The captain and I were both struggling to keep a straight face and I had to think fast, so I told the forward "Well, you can call me a **** any time you like but you can't call me a cheat. You're off".

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1 minute ago, Dave Hunt said:

Having played rugby in Singapore, I think he was probably glad to be sent off for the opportunity to go and stand under a cool shower!

 

Dave

When were you there and who did you play for?

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11 hours ago, t-b-g said:

It isn't only Little Bytham that pays host to visiting guest locos and this evening I have had the great pleasure of seeing a few of the locomotives that a visitor brought along. He doesn''t have a layout yet, so it was a good opportunity to give them a bit of a run. They all ran superbly although the 2-2-4T wasn't too keen on some of the sharper curves that Buckingham is blessed with.

 

Mostly scratchbuilt, with the exception of the J77 (Dave Alexander kit), it was lovely to see such well made models of really unusual prototypes. Not one but two H&BR types represented!

 

I dug my old J77 no 1433 out so we could photograph the pair together.

 

Hopefully the builder can be persuaded to tell us a bit more about them.

 

There is something rather satisfying about being able to share such nice models that have been constructed almost "under the radar" with a wider audience. I wonder how many others there are, sitting at their workbenches producing models like these that never get seen in public?

 

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Does anyone know of a source of 26mm pinpoint wagon axles (just the axles, not the wheels). I have commenced 'downgrading' the wagon fleet I inherited for Ufford, which are mostly fitted with inside bearing compensation units, to normal uncompensated form, by reinstating the brass pinpoint axle bearings that would normally have been used in the kits. But I am left with about 100 Gibson wheelsets where the pinpoints were filed off and so I need to reaxle the wheels. I can scavenge a few axles from other OO wheels I have sitting around, but would prefer to get new axles.

 

I have found the converted wagons to run more freely, and they don't seem to need the compensation or springing to stay on the track - consultation with Richard Oldfield of Mostyn confirms they don't bother to compensate short wheelbase wagons either. However none of them hold a candle in smooth running to some pre-group whitemetal wagon kits fitted with Masokits sprung W-Irons which fairly glide along.

 

Chris

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22 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

More on the Isinglass Pigeon Van.............

 

It's now complete, apart from painting..........

 

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The buffers were from my 'buffer' tray, in which there are many - mostly unidentified! The brake shoes came from spare Parkside sprues. The vacuum brake hoses came from an even-more-full tray of such bits. 

 

Did I enjoy building it? 

 

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Up to a point!

 

I've come to the conclusion that building kits in resin, whether 3D-printed or cast is not for me. That's not to denigrate the Isinglass kit, which is excellent, but because it's too fragile a medium for my clumsiness. Test-fitting the roof resulted in this calamity! The substance behaved as if it were chocolate, straight from the fridge. 

 

Not only that, I hate the stink of the stuff when it's worked. The (very) brief instructions tell us not to inhale the dust, but this is next to impossible when rubbing down the material. Does it present a health hazard?

 

I found out a very long time ago not to inhale when soldering, using phosphoric acid flux, but the resin residue left a nasty taste. Is a face mask needed?

 

Finally, and with reference to soldering - it doesn't work with resin. It just makes an even greater stink!

 

So no more resin for me - it's metal from now on...... Apart from Parkside wagon kits. 

 

 

Just by way of comparison, here's one I've recently been working on. Built from the Chivers plastic kit with a few bits of extra brake gear fabricated from strip and wire, plus vac. pipes from ABS. Incidentally, the buffers on Tony's look very similar to the blackened ones (Markits, I think) that come in Parkside NPCS kits.

 

Note to Tony, this was taken on the Lumix I showed you at Southampton and reveals I need to do a bit of retouching before applying transfers and final varnish/weathering. I'm tempted to use metal w-irons etc. next time, though this one looks fine at layout viewing range.  

 

John

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1 hour ago, Chris Higgs said:

Does anyone know of a source of 26mm pinpoint wagon axles (just the axles, not the wheels). I have commenced 'downgrading' the wagon fleet I inherited for Ufford, which are mostly fitted with inside bearing compensation units, to normal uncompensated form, by reinstating the brass pinpoint axle bearings that would normally have been used in the kits. But I am left with about 100 Gibson wheelsets where the pinpoints were filed off and so I need to reaxle the wheels. I can scavenge a few axles from other OO wheels I have sitting around, but would prefer to get new axles.

 

I have found the converted wagons to run more freely, and they don't seem to need the compensation or springing to stay on the track - consultation with Richard Oldfield of Mostyn confirms they don't bother to compensate short wheelbase wagons either. However none of them hold a candle in smooth running to some pre-group whitemetal wagon kits fitted with Masokits sprung W-Irons which fairly glide along.

 

Chris

 

Alan Gibson Workshops will be able to supply just axles.

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2 hours ago, Hollar said:

I once heard the great rugby referee Nigel Owens say to a player I didn't hear that, but if I hear anything like it again your afternoon will be over, is that clear?  A great inspiration to me when I was umpiring county league cricket, where emotions would occasionally run high (in that controlled English manner, of course).

 

On the other hand, racist or strong personal abuse, I could hear clearly from miles away.

 

Tone

 

Nigel was the celebrity runner at our local New Year's eve 5K event:

 

https://www.rctcbc.gov.uk/EN/Newsroom/PressReleases/2019/December/NosGalanAttractsThousands.aspx

 

Al

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On 07/02/2020 at 11:53, Tony Wright said:

More on the Isinglass Pigeon Van.............

 

 

 

I've come to the conclusion that building kits in resin, whether 3D-printed or cast is not for me. That's not to denigrate the Isinglass kit, which is excellent, but because it's too fragile a medium for my clumsiness. Test-fitting the roof resulted in this calamity! The substance behaved as if it were chocolate, straight from the fridge. 

 

Not only that, I hate the stink of the stuff when it's worked. The (very) brief instructions tell us not to inhale the dust, but this is next to impossible when rubbing down the material. Does it present a health hazard?

 

I found out a very long time ago not to inhale when soldering, using phosphoric acid flux, but the resin residue left a nasty taste. Is a face mask needed?

 

Finally, and with reference to soldering - it doesn't work with resin. It just makes an even greater stink!

 

So no more resin for me - it's metal from now on...... Apart from Parkside wagon kits. 

 

 

 

I'm glad to say that I haven't encountered the same level of brittleness in the parts I've made in fast-cast resin, unless they are very slender ones. I appreciate that printed resin is a different matter, and as I hope in due course to have some Isinglass printed resin sides (or more) to build up into a carriage, I'll be interested to see how experiences compare.

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4 hours ago, Chris Higgs said:

Does anyone know of a source of 26mm pinpoint wagon axles (just the axles, not the wheels). I have commenced 'downgrading' the wagon fleet I inherited for Ufford, which are mostly fitted with inside bearing compensation units, to normal uncompensated form, by reinstating the brass pinpoint axle bearings that would normally have been used in the kits. But I am left with about 100 Gibson wheelsets where the pinpoints were filed off and so I need to reaxle the wheels. I can scavenge a few axles from other OO wheels I have sitting around, but would prefer to get new axles.

 

I have found the converted wagons to run more freely, and they don't seem to need the compensation or springing to stay on the track - consultation with Richard Oldfield of Mostyn confirms they don't bother to compensate short wheelbase wagons either. However none of them hold a candle in smooth running to some pre-group whitemetal wagon kits fitted with Masokits sprung W-Irons which fairly glide along.

 

Chris

I've bought axles only from Gibson.

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I had some advice at Warley about casting resin and today I have been casting more seats for my 119 DMU

 

The little bit of wire works brilliantly.

 

But I only have 9 second class moulds and need another 50 or so.

 

The seats for the DMBC are complete, TBSL 1/4 done  and DMSL to start.

 

Thanks GR

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My latest model is this LRM N8, a pleasure to build. I'm posting it here, largely in the context of Tony's build of the Isinglass Pigeon Van, and because of the extensive knowledge base of the thread's followers. If I understand correctly, Isinglass will produce a 3D model from drawings on their list, which includes a fair selection of ex-NER non-corridor coaches. I need to know which, if any, diagrams survived into the 1950's, so my locos wont be forever towing Hornby Gresley and Thompson stock- or at least not exclusively. Any help gratefully received - by PM if Tony would rather not clog up the thread on this issue,

John

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49 minutes ago, rowanj said:

My latest model is this LRM N8, a pleasure to build. I'm posting it here, largely in the context of Tony's build of the Isinglass Pigeon Van, and because of the extensive knowledge base of the thread's followers. If I understand correctly, Isinglass will produce a 3D model from drawings on their list, which includes a fair selection of ex-NER non-corridor coaches. I need to know which, if any, diagrams survived into the 1950's, so my locos wont be forever towing Hornby Gresley and Thompson stock- or at least not exclusively. Any help gratefully received - by PM if Tony would rather not clog up the thread on this issue,

John

 

John,

 

Being a GN area modeller, I have a very limited knowledge on this subject, but do have some information on the use of ex NER stock on the GN. I know that some of the NER Lavatory third stock was cascaded to the GN for use on King’s Cross outer suburban workings (amongst others?). There is a good picture in ‘Power of the B1s’  of 61121 heading a six coach train in 1949 of which the leading two coaches are ex NER - a BTL and a TL of diagrams NE.113 and NE.111 respectively. This information comes from a Steve Banks article in Model Rail Oct 2005 in which he shows several pictures but mainly pre-nationalisation.

 

 I also believe that a NER non corridor third was used in the Ally Pally push pull set into the ‘50s, but I can’t find the reference material for that, so I can’t be 100% sure. 

 

Sadly Isinglass don’t list these diagrams, so I guess I have to wait for the D&S kit to be re-released!

 

I’d be very interested in the answers to your question and I’m sure Tony would welcome that sort of discussion, so please keep any responses on the forum.

 

Andy

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2 hours ago, rowanj said:

My latest model is this LRM N8, a pleasure to build. I'm posting it here, largely in the context of Tony's build of the Isinglass Pigeon Van, and because of the extensive knowledge base of the thread's followers. If I understand correctly, Isinglass will produce a 3D model from drawings on their list, which includes a fair selection of ex-NER non-corridor coaches. I need to know which, if any, diagrams survived into the 1950's, so my locos wont be forever towing Hornby Gresley and Thompson stock- or at least not exclusively. Any help gratefully received - by PM if Tony would rather not clog up the thread on this issue,

John

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Good morning John,

 

a big subject, oodles of stuff survived into the 1950s. However, it's a big time period and things changed, but not as rapidly as people would like to think. A quick look through late fifties NE area CWNs has a lot of ordinary composites and a lot of six compartment brakes. Checking with photographs, almost every non gangway formation had at least one 49' ex NER 8 compartment third. The latter were pretty much the prototype for the standard LNER 8 compartment third.

 

Smaller sets, push-pull and two or three carriage formations are more likely to be exclusively ex NER carriages.

 

Some observed formations.

 

T (8) clerestory/ C (2/5) / BT (6) all ex NER  two push-pull one strengthener (clerestory)

 

BT (4) ex NE / T (8) ex NE / BT (4) Gresley

 

BT (5) ex NE Clerestory / BT (5) ex NE

 

BT (5) Clerestory ex NE / TK ex NE rest not visible.

 

BT (4) Thompson / CL Thompson / T (8) ex NE / T (8) ex NE / BT (6) Gresley

 

BT (4) Gresley / CL Thompson / T (8) ex NE / TK  (7) Gresley / BT (6) Gresley

 

BT (5) Thompson / T (8) ex NE / (CL 3/4) Gresley / T (8) Gresley / BT (6) ex NE

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Rowan,

 

Not my area of expertise.  My usual first port of call, Historic Carriage Drawings, has minimal information on NER non-corridor stock with two photos and two-and-a-bit drawings.  A quick skim of the webby thing came up with - Books on NER Coaches - The LNER Encyclopedia.  This could be useful.

 

On the D&S front, Andrew at W M Collectables has a number of carriage kits.  They aren't listed on his website, but you could e-mail him at andrew@wmcollectables.co.uk

 

Bill

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9 minutes ago, bbishop said:

Rowan,

 

Not my area of expertise.  My usual first port of call, Historic Carriage Drawings, has minimal information on NER non-corridor stock with two photos and two-and-a-bit drawings.  A quick skim of the webby thing came up with - Books on NER Coaches - The LNER Encyclopedia.  This could be useful.

 

On the D&S front, Andrew at W M Collectables has a number of carriage kits.  They aren't listed on his website, but you could e-mail him at andrew@wmcollectables.co.uk

 

Bill

 

Considering the size of its non-corridor carriage fleet and general position as fourth of the pre-Grouping "Big Four", the North Eastern does seem to be under-served with specialist rolling stock books, certainly compared to the LNWR, Midland, Great Western, and even such smaller-scale concerns as the LSWR and Caledonian. The information must be out there somewhere?

 

At Warley, W M Collectables had a number of D&S NER bogie non-corridor carriage kits.

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24 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said:

Has anyone looked at the NERA series of books?

 

I have the three volumes of North Eastern Record. Vol. 2 provides an overview of carriage styles and liveries but is very far from being a lot-by-lot and diagram-by-diagram complete study of the subject in the manner of Lacy & Dow's Midland Carriages or even Jenkinson's Illustrated Reviews of LNWR and Midland carriages. Frustrating for the modeller. The problem (or the opportunity) is that there needs to be someone with the enthusiasm and time to spend at least a decade, more likely two or three, researching the topic to produce the definitive account.

 

It may be that the NERA has material available. The NER, like the LNWR Society and the Midland Railway Society, is a registered charity and hence committed to making its archives available to the public, not just members. 

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10 hours ago, rowanj said:

My latest model is this LRM N8, a pleasure to build. I'm posting it here, largely in the context of Tony's build of the Isinglass Pigeon Van, and because of the extensive knowledge base of the thread's followers. If I understand correctly, Isinglass will produce a 3D model from drawings on their list, which includes a fair selection of ex-NER non-corridor coaches. I need to know which, if any, diagrams survived into the 1950's, so my locos wont be forever towing Hornby Gresley and Thompson stock- or at least not exclusively. Any help gratefully received - by PM if Tony would rather not clog up the thread on this issue,

John

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Where did you get the lining decals.  I couldn't find any red and white with the reverse curve into the cab anywhere?  Thanks

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1 hour ago, Theakerr said:

 

Where did you get the lining decals.  I couldn't find any red and white with the reverse curve into the cab anywhere?  Thanks

It's just the latest Modelmaster sheet MM4082.

 

John

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I have been looking for a book listing the diagrams and other details for the NER carriages, the closest book I have found but have yet to have the budget to purchase is 

British Railways GWR/LNER Pre-Nationalisation Coaching Stock (Hardback) ISBN: 9780860936756

 

It is about 400 pages long so may have the information you are chasing. If any one has this book can you put a run down of what it has in it? as from Australia it is hard to drop in and flick through the pages it is hard to tell if the information that I want is in there or not! 

 

I have been looking for a book on NER carriages for a while as I have been building a few D&S kits collected over the years and I would like to find more information on them.

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7 hours ago, DougN said:

I have been looking for a book listing the diagrams and other details for the NER carriages, the closest book I have found but have yet to have the budget to purchase is 

British Railways GWR/LNER Pre-Nationalisation Coaching Stock (Hardback) ISBN: 9780860936756

 

It is about 400 pages long so may have the information you are chasing. If any one has this book can you put a run down of what it has in it? as from Australia it is hard to drop in and flick through the pages it is hard to tell if the information that I want is in there or not! 

 

I have been looking for a book on NER carriages for a while as I have been building a few D&S kits collected over the years and I would like to find more information on them.

Have you contacted NERA?  Not a member but have some of their publications, and their  stand at shows is good.  If they don’t have published books of diagrams they will know if any one else does. Website = https://ner.org.uk/ 

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