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22 minutes ago, Barry Ten said:

One for Grahame and Philou, at least.

 

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Air Terrainean Fireflash atomic airliner, as featured in two Thunderbirds episodes.

 

(With further apologies for thread drift).

 

Al

No apology needed, Al,

 

It's all most-interesting.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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9 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Just to expand, if I may please, Tony?

 

For a short period, FLYING SCOTSMAN was also an A10.

 

A1. Original Gresley GNR 6' 8" Pacific, later developed with long-travel valves by the LNER.

 

A2. Original Raven NER Pacifics, though three were built by the LNER.

 

A3. Gresley 'Super Pacific' development of A1, with higher pressure boiler and larger superheater. 

 

A4. Gresley streamlined locos.

 

A. Original Thompson classification for his first rebuild of Gresley's 6' 2" P2. A2 was vacant anyway, because the Raven Pacifics had been withdrawn before the War. 

 

A2/2. Thompson's rebuilds of Gresley's P2. 

 

A2/1. Thompson's four 'orphans of the storm'. Originally ordered as the last four V2s. Confusing, isn't it, that the A2/1s were built after the A2/2s? 

 

A2/3. Thompson's new-build 6' 2" Pacifics.

 

A1. (More confusion!). Classification for Thompson's rebuild of Gresley's original A1 GREAT NORTHERN.

 

A1/1. Later classification for Thompson's GREAT NORTHERN.

 

A10. What all the surviving Gresley A1s became after GREAT NORTHERN was rebuilt.

 

A2. Peppercorn's new-build post-War 6' 2" Pacific (most built by BR).

 

A1. (Built after his A2s) Peppercorn's 6' 8" Pacifics, all built by BR. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

What about "Tornado". Fitted with GPS and a different boiler and cylinders plus the cut down cab and fittings etc. and other variations. It must deserve a sub class. 

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Well .... that'll teach me to be bit flippant about LNER locos - but thank you for trying to educate. At least over here in the far far west all our locos just look the same - or so I've heard :D.

 

Cheers,

 

Philip

 

PS: I hadn't appreciated there was such a diversity in just a few similar looking locos.

 

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1 hour ago, Philou said:

Ok, I'll bite: Blake's 7, Fireball XL5, Lady Penelope's RR, Star Wars (?), Stingray, ??? , Thunderbirds, ??? , ??? , Thunderbirds, OP's original subject, Orion (Space Odyssey 2001), ???

 

Unsurprisingly, I still don't know the difference between an A1/2/3 ;).

 

Cheers,

 

Philip

 

I’d agree with Blake’s 7, the one Sci Fi series which completely hooked me.

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13 minutes ago, thegreenhowards said:

I’d agree with Blake’s 7, the one Sci Fi series which completely hooked me.

 

Are you sure that wasn't because of the character Servalan?

;-)

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1 hour ago, Barry Ten said:

One for Grahame and Philou, at least.

 

fireflash1.jpg

 

Air Terrainean Fireflash atomic airliner, as featured in two Thunderbirds episodes.

 

 

Excellent.

 

The other non Thunderbird Thunderbirds classic craft that I wouldn't mind a model of is Zero 1. The original was over 7ft long and apparently cost over £3000 even back in the 60s. This is one offered on ebay:

 

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And the other iconic Anderson spaceships were the Eagles from Space 1999 (IMO).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, t-b-g said:

 

What about "Tornado". Fitted with GPS and a different boiler and cylinders plus the cut down cab and fittings etc. and other variations. It must deserve a sub class. 

The next A1/1? Or, A1/2? 

 

The LNER classification, though logical at source (has anyone ever tried to make sense of the Southern's classification of locos?), based on wheel arrangement, was not always consistent. 

 

For instance, the sub-division between O4/1 and O4/3 was due to water pick-up apparatus or brakes. Important, but the split classification also denoted different classes - A2/1, A2/2 and A2/3 for instance. Yet the A4s, which had (originally) single or double chimneys and corridor or non-corridor tenders were never sub-divided. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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8 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

The next A1/1? Or, A1/2? 

 

The LNER classification, though logical at source (has anyone ever tried to make sense of the Southern's classification of locos?), based on wheel arrangement, was not always consistent. 

 

For instance, the sub-division between O4/1 and O4/3 was due to water pick-up apparatus or brakes. Important, but the split classification also denoted different classes - A2/1, A2/2 and A2/3 for instance. Yet the A4s, which had (originally) single or double chimneys and corridor or non-corridor tenders were never sub-divided. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

It is a system full of quirks.  My favourite one is the J61. Two locos in the class, built to different designs by two different builders.

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21 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

This thread is moving on twice as fast as normal - you can tell everyone’s stuck at home! I love the diesel photos Tony - I don’t think I’ve seen all of those locos before.

 

Could I ask you for a little ‘virtual loco doctoring’? I have a DJH A3 (second hand - not built by me although I have sorted it out a bit see https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/135510-coulsdon-works/&do=findComment&comment=3856937

if you’re interested but not relevant to this question).

 

It  is giving me problems with stalling over crossings. It’s fitted with ‘American’ style pick ups which I know aren’t your chosen solution, but I think you agree that they normally work OK. This loco seems to stall at exactly this point on my diamond crossing unless going at a fair lick in which case it still twitches noticeably. If Peco did a code 100 electro frog crossing I’d switch (pun intended!) straight away...but they don’t.

 

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The front driver is on the plastic bit but I can’t see why the others two drivers don’t pick up - they are live. Some other locos struggle here as well so there must be some unevenness in the track but I can’t see where. Pick up is on the left for the loco and right on the tender (Right way up and facing forward). Here is the arrangement from below.

 

 

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My question is: “Could I improve things by making the bogie and/ or Cartezzi truck pick up as well. And, if so, what is the best way to do this - do I need new wheel sets or can I short out the existing ones?”

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Andy

 

 

Strangle enough I have exactly the same problem on my DJH loco but I have conventional pick up on both the tender and loco.  In my case a good cleaning of the point contact blade has all but eliminated the problem.  It is also in a very convenient location at the end of a cab section so I think I can hard wire the point blade and short exit section.  Re your specific problem, based on what I have seen over here the non pick-up wheels were insulated, would it be possible to put pick-ups on them?  Until mentioned I had forgotten about the shorting issue.  It is possible but on mine the short happened in other places like going from a straight section to a curve and when running in reverse.  I found them when I ran the loco with the room lights off.

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On 20/03/2020 at 18:28, Erichill16 said:

Tony, don’t want to lower the tone of this thread but with the amount of Viagra I supplied today I’m not sure how much modelling is going to get done.

Keep well and be sensible

Robert

 

Sorry Tony, cant help myself.

 

Had a terrible day at work and needed as stiff drink.

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This will be my last Viagra related post. I must admit though posting is helping me cope with the situation.

keep well,

Robert

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1 hour ago, grahame said:

 

Excellent.

 

The other non Thunderbird Thunderbirds classic craft that I wouldn't mind a model of is Zero 1. The original was over 7ft long and apparently cost over £3000 even back in the 60s. This is one offered on ebay:

 

s-l400.jpg.589d6cec2c92b4723d042981b2cfe9e9.jpg

 

And the other iconic Anderson spaceships were the Eagles from Space 1999 (IMO).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pah! My Hornby Zero 1 looked nothing like that.....

 

Stewart

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3 hours ago, Barry Ten said:

One for Grahame and Philou, at least.

 

fireflash1.jpg

 

Air Terrainean Fireflash atomic airliner, as featured in two Thunderbirds episodes.

 

(With further apologies for thread drift).

 

Al

 

"Fireflash lift port wing!" ....... :D   

 

So glad Thunderbirds had a revival when my son was young.   In fact my grandson was introduced to a rather battered Thunderbird 2 only last week. 

Whatever happened to our (non-Blue Peter) Tracy Island, hand built so I'm sure Tony would approve, with ramp and door features operated by motor/gearboxes from old camcorders?  Such fun!

 

Alan

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On 21/03/2020 at 08:48, thegreenhowards said:

This thread is moving on twice as fast as normal - you can tell everyone’s stuck at home! I love the diesel photos Tony - I don’t think I’ve seen all of those locos before.

 

Could I ask you for a little ‘virtual loco doctoring’? I have a DJH A3 (second hand - not built by me although I have sorted it out a bit see https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/135510-coulsdon-works/&do=findComment&comment=3856937

if you’re interested but not relevant to this question).

 

It  is giving me problems with stalling over crossings. It’s fitted with ‘American’ style pick ups which I know aren’t your chosen solution, but I think you agree that they normally work OK. This loco seems to stall at exactly this point on my diamond crossing unless going at a fair lick in which case it still twitches noticeably. If Peco did a code 100 electro frog crossing I’d switch (pun intended!) straight away...but they don’t.

 

30E926A1-0C07-489F-A568-BCFDFE17AFCF.jpeg.e07acab10d256a44acf1eaff316398a6.jpeg

 

The front driver is on the plastic bit but I can’t see why the others two drivers don’t pick up - they are live. Some other locos struggle here as well so there must be some unevenness in the track but I can’t see where. Pick up is on the left for the loco and right on the tender (Right way up and facing forward). Here is the arrangement from below.

 

 

35ADC193-465E-4495-B4E7-E06D5E94DE2B.jpeg.60882b02853ff725cf5896049648365e.jpeg

 

My question is: “Could I improve things by making the bogie and/ or Cartezzi truck pick up as well. And, if so, what is the best way to do this - do I need new wheel sets or can I short out the existing ones?”

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Andy

 

 

I’m no loco doctor, but I was having similar problems with certain locos on my crossings and it turned out it was the crossing itself, it was jumping on the insulated part and shorting out on the other rail, worth investigating. 

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2 hours ago, PupCam said:

 

So glad Thunderbirds had a revival when my son was young.   In fact my grandson was introduced to a rather battered Thunderbird 2 only last week. 

 

Being a mere youngster born in the early 70s, I've only learned very recently that the Tracy brothers were named Gordon, Virgil, Alan and Scott in tribute to four of the first five NASA Mercury programme astronauts.

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21 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

Being a mere youngster born in the early 70s, I've only learned very recently that the Tracy brothers were named Gordon, Virgil, Alan and Scott in tribute to four of the first five NASA Mercury programme astronauts.

 

All five Tracy brothers were named after astronauts; John after John Glenn, and Scott Carpenter, Virgil 'Gus' Grissom, Alan Shepard and Gordon Cooper.

 

 

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6 hours ago, grahame said:

Back row left to right: 'Liberator' Blake's 7; 'Fireball' Fireball XL5; FAB1 from Thunderbirds; Colonial Viper from Battlestar Galactica; 'Stingray' from Stingray; 'Pegasus'  base ship from Battlestar Galactica.

 

Middle row: Thunderbird 1 from Thunderbirds; 'Anastasia' from Dan Dare; Cylon raider from Battlestar Galactica; Thunderbird 2; 'Dark Star' spaceship.

 

Front row: Pan Am shuttle 'Orion' from 2001; and 'El Dorado' from Buck Rogers. I did have a moon bus from 2001 but couldn't find it. There were others in the range of Comet Mini-Metals.

 

I can't recognise most steam locos, but diesels and electrics is another matter

 

I thought top right was a wonky Eagle.

 

Preserved one here

https://www.scifiairshow.com/eagle-4

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6 hours ago, Barry Ten said:

One for Grahame and Philou, at least.

 

fireflash1.jpg

 

Air Terrainean Fireflash atomic airliner, as featured in two Thunderbirds episodes.

 

(With further apologies for thread drift).

 

Al

 

 

Where are the elevator cars?

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8 hours ago, grahame said:

A few pages back I mentioned Comet Metal Miniatures of sci-fi cult film/programme vehicles and offered to dig the ones out I had, all assembled and hand painted many years ago, and post up a pic. Well, I've found them, given them a quick dust and here they are. Apologies for the thread drift and not being trains, but I guess it is a bit of modelling:

 

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It should be easy enough (and perhaps fun) to identify them, as they are famous and very recognisable.

 

 

 

Top left being THE best looking Sci-Fi spaceship ever...

 

 

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7 hours ago, Barry Ten said:

One for Grahame and Philou, at least.

 

fireflash1.jpg

 

Air Terrainean Fireflash atomic airliner, as featured in two Thunderbirds episodes.

 

(With further apologies for thread drift).

 

Al

Supersonic as well, IIRC.

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8 hours ago, Barry Ten said:

One for Grahame and Philou, at least.

 

fireflash1.jpg

 

Air Terrainean Fireflash atomic airliner, as featured in two Thunderbirds episodes.

 

(With further apologies for thread drift).

 

Al

 

Imagine the dog's breakfast Thompson would have made of that....

 

;)

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10 hours ago, drmditch said:

Re: LNER Locomotive Classifications

Not to mention both Gresley and Thompson O1s

Edward Thompson always seems to get a bad press (perhaps not always fair), but he seems to show an 'arrogance' at times.

 

Take the LNER loco classification system for instance. OK, it might show an arrogance on Gresley's part that, at the Grouping, all the ex-GN types took precedence - A1 (the GN never built a 4-6-0), C1, D1 and so on, followed by the GC, GE, NE (second with its Pacifics) and so on. When new locos were built under Gresley's regime, they merely took the next number in the sequence (the A3s and the A4s were obvious predictions in 1923); thus B17, D49, J38 and so on.........

 

Along comes Thompson, and he'd have none of that. Not at all - all his locos would take the lowest classification - Gresley's A1s were booted down to A10, the lovely-looking GC B1s and B2s lost out to Thompson's 4-6-0s and so on and so on.......

 

He must have been miffed when Peppercorn 'demoted' his A1 and A2s to mere sub-divisions.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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