Wright writes.....

[St Enodoc]

10 minutes ago, Woodcock29 said:

 

I've looked at that photo many times pondering whether its as you say or whether its a different reflection because of the internal corridor behind it? If its as you say then I wonder how we model that effect - maybe some tracing paper behind the windows - can we still buy that?

 

Andrew 

I've never seen the photo before or, frankly, thought about the issue but it seems to me that Andrew could be right about the corridor. If the window glass were anything other than clear, I wouldn't expect the handrails to look so well defined as they do in the photo.

[thegreenhowards]

19 minutes ago, Woodcock29 said:

 

I've looked at that photo many times pondering whether its as you say or whether its a different reflection because of the internal corridor behind it? If its as you say then I wonder how we model that effect - maybe some tracing paper behind the windows - can we still buy that?

 

Andrew 

Andrew, I use 800 grade sandpaper on the back of the glazing. 

 

 

On close inspection it looks like I was rather enthusiastic with the middle windows but the three on the right look about right to me.

 

Andy

 

[jamie92208]

1 hour ago, Barry Ten said:

 

 

Wishing the very best for you both, and hoping whatever modelling you can manage will offer some distraction.

 

When I've been stuck somewhere with no tools, I've always found that if I can get hold of a piece of gridded paper, and a pen, at least I can doodle layout designs.

As you may have picked up over previous pages, I had an enforced modelling break of several weeks in 2018 due to a prolonged house move to France. I found that my fingers were itching to do something so as my laptop had CAD on it I spent any spare time doing the artwork for the etches for the M&GN bridge on LB.  It certinly helped me, though whether it helped my sanity is another matter. I also hope that things have worked out well.

 

Jamie

[Joseph_Pestell]

13 minutes ago, jamie92208 said:

As you may have picked up over previous pages, I had an enforced modelling break of several weeks in 2018 due to a prolonged house move to France. I found that my fingers were itching to do something so as my laptop had CAD on it I spent any spare time doing the artwork for the etches for the M&GN bridge on LB.  It certinly helped me, though whether it helped my sanity is another matter. I also hope that things have worked out well.

 

Jamie

Hi Jamie,

I did not realise that you had done the M&GN bridge on Bytham.

It's a lovely design of bridge that I am sure might interest other modellers. Could it be made available (possibly in other scales as well) with profits going to Tony's charitable work for cancer research?

[thegreenhowards]

Next up I’m showing my suburban artics. Pride of place must go to the quad art set. This is an unembellished Kirk kit and was built quite a while ago, so is not up to my current standards (which I hope have improved), but it took a year and is quite rarely modelled as a full 8 car set so I’m very fond of it.

 

 

 

Next is probably my finest artic model (of the ones I’ve built). This is a D.210 BT-CL built from Mousa sides with the rest cobbled together. The N7 is SE Finecast on a Bachmann Pannier chassis.

 

Next up a 51ft F-T built from a Kirk kit with MJT underframe. I bought this half completed as part of a job lot and finished it off.

 

It runs as part (coach 5/6) of an early post nationalisation outer suburban set which also includes a rather poor Hornby BS-CL  combo (coach 1/2) which is best glossed over and will be replaced in due course.

 

Next an outer suburban steel panelled artic as already shown by others. This is built from Mousa sides on a Hornby railroad Gresley donor. It runs as part of a five set, but I haven’t yet built the other pair, so a couple of Hornbys stand in.

 

 

 

Next up mainline artics.

 

Andy

Edited April 16, 2020 by thegreenhowards
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[micklner]

41 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

I've never seen the photo before or, frankly, thought about the issue but it seems to me that Andrew could be right about the corridor. If the window glass were anything other than clear, I wouldn't expect the handrails to look so well defined as they do in the photo.

It would be opaque glass.

 

This my LNER Restaurant Car with the same glass effect, this was confirmed in a photograph probably in the Harris LNER Coach volume. This was done by spraying matt varnish on the reverse of the windows.

 

[chris p bacon]

18 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

Could it be made available (possibly in other scales as well) with profits going to Tony's charitable work for cancer research?

 

I was asked a while ago "how much do you make from your etches" I replied that when I got to £10,000 I was going to stop subsidising them.

 

Or alternatively, 'How do you become a millionaire model maker'.....'Start off as a multi millionaire model maker' 

 

The biggest cost of etching is the artwork, you need to sell many etches to get anywhere near your money back.

[Joseph_Pestell]

1 minute ago, chris p bacon said:

 

I was asked a while ago "how much do you make from your etches" I replied that when I got to £10,000 I was going to stop subsidising them.

 

Or alternatively, 'How do you become a millionaire model maker'.....'Start off as a multi millionaire model maker' 

 

The biggest cost of etching is the artwork, you need to sell many etches to get anywhere near your money back.

 

Having worked in the industry with ScaleLink, I am well aware of the methodology and costs. In this case, the artwork is already done. So why not amortise those costs?

[James Fitzjames]

2 hours ago, Barry Ten said:

 

 

Wishing the very best for you both, and hoping whatever modelling you can manage will offer some distraction.

 

When I've been stuck somewhere with no tools, I've always found that if I can get hold of a piece of gridded paper, and a pen, at least I can doodle layout designs.

Many thanks indeed; I do find the little 'modelling' I can manage does help (along with a good fix of Wright Writes), especially since I'm no longer allowed to accompany Herself to hospitals.

 

Since gridded paper is one of the few things I have, I'll take your advice re., layout designs. Probably less frustrating than trying to measure 8cm-wide photos!

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, jwealleans said:

Izal Med?   I'll let someone else try that.

 

 

Has no-one built any of the LMS artic stock, or the GWR restaurant set?

Hi Jonathan

 

I am having ago. It is a BSO+SO from Dapol/Airfix coaches.

Photo taken last night while driving the train set.

 

Another artic not often modelled is the Hertford Quad sets used on the GER Cambridge line

This is from Kirk kit sides, Hornby railroad roofs metal bogies from the spares box. Again not finished but in operational use.

 

[Denbridge]

2 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Izal Med?   I'll let someone else try that.

 

 

Has no-one built any of the LMS artic stock, or the GWR restaurant set?

I have a set of etches from Worsley works for the GW artics. Hoping to make a start while in enforced isolation.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Denbridge
Spelling. Phone auto correct.

[jwealleans]

Well, good.   People think Gresley was the only one to try it.

 

Incidentally, the GWR restaurant set was used on excursions from Hull in the 1930s (I have an STN which mentions it).   Does anyone know any more about that?

[Tony Wright]

3 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

Andrew, I use 800 grade sandpaper on the back of the glazing. 

 

 

On close inspection it looks like I was rather enthusiastic with the middle windows but the three on the right look about right to me.

 

Andy

 

Good afternoon Andy,

 

I don't think any ex-LNER catering cars retained the 'frosted' windows effect in BR days. I've gone through hundreds of images and can find none.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think they all should be white, whether the corridor side or not. 

 

The following pictures of models have been seen before, but (I don't think) not in this context.

 

 

 

Both sides of one of my Hornby/Trice conversions; fitted with turnbuckle underframe.

 

 

And another; this one on angle trussing, denoting a later build.

 

 

And a complete Comet kit by Tony Geary.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

[Tony Wright]

3 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

Hi Jamie,

I did not realise that you had done the M&GN bridge on Bytham.

It's a lovely design of bridge that I am sure might interest other modellers. Could it be made available (possibly in other scales as well) with profits going to Tony's charitable work for cancer research?

Good afternoon Joseph,

 

I had rather hoped that I'd made it very clear that Jamie Guest had done the artwork for the etches for the M&GNR girder bridge, and that Dave Wager had built it.

 

 

Both Jamie and Dave, very, very, very kindly gave their services FOC (I'll repay them both in kind, one day!), just to contribute something to the Little Bytham project. 

 

All I did was to pay for the original (and subsequent - though I still owe some; please let me know how much, Dave) etches from Grainge and Hodder. 

 

I'm sure if anyone wanted to buy the etched sheets, Grainge and Hodder would sell them (though Jamie should get royalties).

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[PJT]

4 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Izal Med?   I'll let someone else try that.

 

Ah, but it at least has tenuous railway heritage - Izal was made by the same Newton, Chambers & Co who made the car carriers...

 

Pete T.

 

[PJT]

4 hours ago, Woodcock29 said:

I've looked at that photo many times pondering whether its as you say or whether its a different reflection because of the internal corridor behind it? If its as you say then I wonder how we model that effect - maybe some tracing paper behind the windows - can we still buy that?

 

When I've bought etched nameplates from Fox Transfers, they always come with a small sheet of textured translucent plastic over the top to protect the plates in the post.  I always keep this material, having used it for frosted (rather than white) windows several times and it looks pretty convincing.  Granted, you'd need half a dozen nameplate purchases to have enough plastic to glaze the side of a restaurant coach, but over the years they do mount up.  The same material is also great as backing for diesel headcode number and letter transfers, behind the headcode panel glazing, because it lets plenty of light through from behind if you've got illuminated headcodes on your model.

 

Pete T.

 

[jamie92208]

5 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Izal Med?   I'll let someone else try that.

 

 

Has no-one built any of the LMS artic stock, or the GWR restaurant set?

Not quite articulated but I built oa Midland close coupled 5 car Leeds Suburban Clerestory set. I'll try and get some photos of them.

 

Jamie

Edited April 16, 2020 by jamie92208

[31A]

14 minutes ago, PJT said:

 

When I've bought etched nameplates from Fox Transfers, they always come with a small sheet of textured translucent plastic over the top to protect the plates in the post.  I always keep this material, having used it for frosted (rather than white) windows several times and it looks pretty convincing.  Granted, you'd need half a dozen nameplate purchases to have enough plastic to glaze the side of a restaurant coach, but over the years they do mount up.  The same material is also great as backing for diesel headcode number and letter transfers, behind the headcode panel glazing, because it lets plenty of light through from behind if you've got illuminated headcodes on your model.

 

Pete T.

 

 

Similarly, I've got a plastic document folder which sounds as though it is made of similar material, I cut pieces of it to stick behind clear glazing material to represent frosted glass windows.  Here's one I did for @great northern a couple of years ago.  I based it on pictures where you could see the corridor handrails through the two right hand windows on this side, hence they were not 'white' glass (or at least, weren't when the pictures were taken).

 

[Headstock]

5 hours ago, Woodcock29 said:

 

I've looked at that photo many times pondering whether its as you say or whether its a different reflection because of the internal corridor behind it? If its as you say then I wonder how we model that effect - maybe some tracing paper behind the windows - can we still buy that?

 

Andrew 

 

Good afternoon Andrew,

 

no it is not an effect, this was the standard inherited from pre grouping stock of the ECJS and GNR. Only certain windows such as those in toilets were opaque on earlier carriages. I have read that there was a requirement that staff could see out and some light could be admitted through the corridor windows, this was certainly one of the reasons that the top lights were eventually left clear. This was adopted as standard when full opaque white glass was adopted towards the end of the twenties and became dominant in the thirties. Light from the toplights only, had obviously proved sufficient. The glass was not frosted*, though some frosted glass was fitted to some ex pre grouping Buffet car rebuilds. Over time, the opaque glass became standard, as earlier carriages had it retrofitted, though it was not totally eliminated and a minority of carriages (usually pre grouping but not exclusively) received alternative glazing in latter years.

 

*You are looking at different grades of whitened glass.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Headstock
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[jamie92208]

4 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

Hi Jamie,

I did not realise that you had done the M&GN bridge on Bytham.

It's a lovely design of bridge that I am sure might interest other modellers. Could it be made available (possibly in other scales as well) with profits going to Tony's charitable work for cancer research?

It's not quite as easy as it sounds. David Wager who built the bridge did some alterations and I'm not quite sure if he got new etching negatives made or just an additional etch.  Also, Grange and Hodder who did the etching are closed at the moment so nothing can be done at the moment.  Once things settle down something might be possible but I can't promise.

 

Jamie

[Compound2632]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

 

Someone's done a MkI cut'n'shut and not got round to painting it...

[Joseph_Pestell]

Clive, of course.

[Tony Wright]

With Little Bytham as 'finished' as any model railway is ever likely to be, perhaps some overall images to show that 'completeness'?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, my most-grateful thanks to all the contributors.....

 

 

[Clive Mortimore]

35 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Someone's done a MkI cut'n'shut and not got round to painting it...

Not enough bits to be a real cut and shut.

Will be a diagram 30 Griddle car one day. All the bits came from leftovers from other conversions.

It now has the correct Commonwealth bogies.

 

[mullie]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

With Little Bytham as 'finished' as any model railway is ever likely to be, perhaps some overall images to show that 'completeness'?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, my most-grateful thanks to all the contributors.....

 

 

A like button is not enough you do have a stunning layout.

 

Martyn