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[Jamiel]

Problem solved. I just scratched lightly with my finger nail and the transfers came off, one whole which I reused, the others I replaced.

 

Letting them dry before re-sealing. They left a the slightest of marks where I lifted them on a couple of windows, but since the new transfer goes in the same place it doesn’t show.
 

What is both annoying and a relief, is that on the first unit I put the transfers on the right way up.

Jamie

Edited April 19, 2020 by Jamiel
Typo

[Lecorbusier]

6 minutes ago, Orion said:

The south portal of Bradway Tunnel is pretty inaccessible, whereas a road ran next to the north portal on the east side. Can't find a photo though. It was rural then but built up now.

The trouble as I see it is that the NorthPortal has a track running accross the top and buildings to the rhs of the entrance, so wouldn't work for the tunnel entrance in the film. Map from 1898.

[Orion]

1 minute ago, Lecorbusier said:

The trouble as I see it is that the NorthPortal has a track running accross the top and buildings to the rhs of the entrance, so wouldn't work for the tunnel entrance in the film. Map from 1898.

Yes, I agree though the cutting is very, very deep, so the road could well be behind the wall in the film and the buildings are slightly back from the edge of the cutting so they might not be visible from the angle of the camera. Looking at a recent OS map the contours suggest a similar topography  to the film whereas the south portal goes under a really tall hill.

[65179]

37 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

Even the current view from the A61 suggests that's a possible.  I'm still stumped on the station at the end though, I'd forgotten the track curved from Monsal Dale onto the viaduct that much (and the wooden platforms).

Rob

 

Edit: I think the station may be Esholt, on the Shipley to Ilkley line.  The train is approaching from Ilkley.

 

Esholt looks like a strong possibility. See this postcard on ebay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pt1384-Esholt-Railway-Station-Yorkshire-photograph-6x4/293524033280?pageci=55e9b312-6c55-4c65-88fc-7e31cc8ebee1

 

I can't find a photo of Esholt Tunnel west portal though.

 

East portal here: https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3369158

 

Simon

[Lecorbusier]

12 minutes ago, 65179 said:

 

Esholt looks like a strong possibility. See this postcard on ebay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pt1384-Esholt-Railway-Station-Yorkshire-photograph-6x4/293524033280?pageci=55e9b312-6c55-4c65-88fc-7e31cc8ebee1

 

I can't find a photo of Esholt Tunnel west portal though.

 

East portal here: https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3369158

 

Simon

Esholt looks pretty convincing to me

[drmditch]

On ‎18‎/‎04‎/‎2020 at 11:13, St Enodoc said:

My aforementioned friend (who built Stafford) always used to recommend, when moving home, to search for a suitable railway room with house attached.

 

Of course. Is there any other reason to choose a house?

 

I'm always surprised and saddened by how many otherwise quite sensible people live in houses that do not contain a railway.

 

 

[Andy Hayter]

I agree this looks like Esholt but the first picture does not align to the picture of Esholt East portal since there is no wing wall.

 

Apart from film continuity (bad at best) there is no reason why the entry and exit tunnel mouths need be connected in reality,

[96701]

17 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

Boddington's Brewery is a good clue as to the location!

When Boddy's was a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Lecorbusier]

7 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

I agree this looks like Esholt but the first picture does not align to the picture of Esholt East portal since there is no wing wall.

 

Apart from film continuity (bad at best) there is no reason why the entry and exit tunnel mouths need be connected in reality,

The trains are demonstrably different ... which when coupled to Compound's link to the Bamforth entry in "Visual Delights Two" suggesting the films of the trains were earlier and by Riley not Bamforth ....could lead to the conclusion that continuity was not integral to the composition. I think it is fine to assume that we could well be looking at two differrent tunnels as well as two different trains.

[gordon s]

This may be a total red herring, but IMDb gives the film location as Brighton and Hove, East Sussex........

 

I suspect that was the studio as confirmed here..

 

http://arts.brighton.ac.uk/staff/frank-gray/the-kiss-in-the-tunnel

Edited April 20, 2020 by gordon s

[65179]

7 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

I agree this looks like Esholt but the first picture does not align to the picture of Esholt East portal since there is no wing wall.

 

Apart from film continuity (bad at best) there is no reason why the entry and exit tunnel mouths need be connected in reality,

 

I should have been clearer. If they are both Esholt then the train would be leaving the west portal (which I can't find a photo of). I supplied a link to the East portal photo to show a similarity in style and as the best I could do without local reference books.

 

Simon 

Edited April 20, 2020 by 65179

[gordon s]

....another search suggests Shillamill Tunnel on the LSWR....

 

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-the-kiss-in-the-tunnel-1899-online

 

https://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/underground-sites/13228-lswr-shillamill-tunnel-aug-2009-a.html#.Xp1CzC_TWhA

Edited April 20, 2020 by gordon s

[Tony Wright]

9 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

Fascinated by the Midland Railway tunnel conundrum. Not sure it's on the Peak line at all. Will keep researching.

 

Meanwhile, here is my Covid work achieved so far:

 

Work on making the connecting lines to the Shap Bank scene on my Carlisle scheme...

 

Test build for the G-Train B7 kit ...

 

Commission build of a GNR 218DD twin ...

 

Undergubbins installed on middle coaches for Grantham's GNR Quint set.

 

And, with the lockdown set to continue for a few weeks yet, I'm going to have a crack at a start-to-finish Covid project, hopefully as a permanent reminder to look back on when all this is over:

This kit has been in the build pile for more than five years now. I have got everything I need to make it, wheels, motor/gears, etc so I'll be making a start later and reporting progress on the Grantham thread. My previous 'record' for making up a loco kit is five weeks (a DJH Std 5MT) so I'm hoping that I can beat that.

 

 

You've been very busy Graham,

 

Great progress.

 

Regarding the LRM D2, that's the same kit I built for Mark Allatt (or was that a D3?), which runs on Grantham. You will have absolutely no trouble in building it. It's an example (and a very good one) of what an etched-brass kit should be. All the bits fit; perfectly!

 

Five weeks? It took me less than five days! That included taking step-by-step pictures of its construction, which is described in my Crowood book (should anyone be interested). 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Tony Wright
to clarify a point

[Lecorbusier]

28 minutes ago, 65179 said:

 

I should have been clearer. If they are both Esholt then the train would be leaving the west portal (which I can't find a photo of). I supplied a link to the East portal photo to show a similarity in style and as the best I could do without local reference books.

 

Simon 

I think there is a strong case that the west portal/viaduct/station in the film is that at Eshalt ...

 

The entry Portal on the film (we don't know if east or west) is not Eshalt East Portal from the evidence of the photos .... nor is it the west portal with the train travelling away from the station if the topography present in the film clips are to believed..

 

 

[t-b-g]

9 hours ago, Lecorbusier said:

I agree ... I can't help feeling it might be somewhere else entirely ... ie not the sheffield/peakdistrict lines at all.

 

Are there any clues in the background of the people filming it? Long distance travel was not common and lugging camera gear about wasn't easy so many early films were made "just up the road" from their base.

 

I don't get heavily involved in looking into such things unless they are of direct interest to me and I only mentioned Dore and Totley as I am a bit surprised that MR experts are struggling so I wondered if it was a station that has changed beyond recognition, as Dore has. There can't be that many stations where there is a two platform station, with a bridge just off the end of the platform, a straight run then a LH turn into a tunnel!

 

If I was that bothered, I think I would be following some lines on "Google Earth" to find that combination. There is no guarantee that all three shots, the tunnel in, tunnel out and station, are anywhere near each other but because of the factors I mentioned, I would suggest that they would be quite close together, even if not in the order shown in the finished film.

[t-b-g]

25 minutes ago, Lecorbusier said:

I think there is a strong case that the west portal/viaduct/station in the film is that at Eshalt ...

 

The entry Portal on the film (we don't know if east or west) is not Eshalt East Portal from the evidence of the photos .... nor is it the west portal with the train travelling away from the station if the topography present in the film clips are to believed..

 

 

 

Good call! I would be happy with Esholt as the station. Just need to find the tunnel portals now.......

[gordon s]

There is a suggestion here that the film is topped and tailed with a phantom train ride filmed by Cecil Hepworth which was filmed on the LSWR at Shillamill Tunnel. Hepworth made his own film View from an Engine.

 

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-view-from-an-engine-front-train-leaving-tunnel-1899-online

 

Edit: Apologies guys, I’ve been watching a completely different version of the same film.....

 

Seems the second film came from Bamforth based in Holmfirth. Does this provide any clues....

 

The tunnel is possibly between Huddersfield and Thongsbridge, Holmfirth.

 

http://www.yorkshirefilmarchive.com/film/kiss-tunnel

 

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by gordon s

[Gravy Train]

It’s probably not that relevant to this conversation but it mentioned that Bamforths are credited to the film footage.

Bamforths had many photos of the LYR and surrounding area, especially at Holmfirth but I was told there was a fire and all the negatives, photos were destroyed, perhaps film footage also.

can anyone confirm this to be true.

Peter

 

[cctransuk]

11 hours ago, Jamiel said:

 
Rats!

Good job it have a few left. Thank you for letting me know.

I guess that open up the topic, what will removes a 'Klear/Pledge' fixed transfer from a clear window?

Off to try some white spirit.

Jamie

 

The recommended remover for Klear was (is?) a solution of household ammonia.

 

John Isherwood.

[PJT]

3 hours ago, cctransuk said:

The recommended remover for Klear was (is?) a solution of household ammonia.

 

Quite right.  I use ammonia solution from my local hardware store to clean my airbrushes (definitely outdoors!) after using Klear, too.  I've heard that the blue liquid Windolene is just as good for removing Klear from airbrushes, but I've no personal experience of that, nor possibility of using it to remove Klear from models - might be worth trying it out on a bit of scrap plastic or painted surface sometime.

 

Pete T.

 

[grahame]

Here's another progress update, if that's okay and of interest.

 

I've started on extending the warehouse building that is just behind the railway viaduct that I'd previously made a partial section of (the left hand end). As usual it's compressed and simplified so is only roughly representative, but hopefully redolent of, the actual building that can be seen here in a current view: 

 

Below is the modelling progress to date. I've made and joined the carcass for the new section to the original to ensure that the entire building sits flat on the ground. The new section window wall and penthouse roof top are separate sub-assemblies, not fixed in place, and just in white primer. There is still work to do on them but it is slowly taking shape. The snag is that I'm out of the Scene-setters window grids (the size used in the original section) so I'll need to order some more:

 

[Northmoor]

3 minutes ago, grahame said:

Here's another progress update, if that's okay and of interest.

 

I've started on extending the warehouse building that is just behind the railway viaduct that I'd previously made a partial section of (the left hand end). As usual it's compressed and simplified so is only roughly representative, but hopefully redolent of, the actual building that can be seen here in a current view: 

Grahame - I think this may be building, or the next one in the "country" direction, that the London Bridge Upgrade project team re-housed all the residents of during the most disruptive/noisy three months, paying to put them up in hotels for the duration.  It was during this period that it was spotted that some flats appeared to be still occupied; apparently the residents had advertised them on AirBnB........

[grahame]

Apparently the section at the left (town) end was David Lloyd Pigott and co. who were tea and coffee importers/merchants since 1760 and were still there in the late 60s. 

 

 

[grahame]

I've got some more blocks of colour on but there's little I can do now until the window glazing arrives - which I've now ordered - apart from some roof details and the ground floor. So I've taken a pic with the next section modelled from the more appropriate era for m layout rather than the samey modern apartments and buildings in the screenshot pic above. 

 

 

[Tony Wright]

Right,

 

Back to modelling.........

 

This is yesterday's progress on the D16/3 I'm building.

 

 

I've ended up making one loco from two kits. The Little Engines example is a D16/3 with the decorative valances removed (did the firm ever make the other sort?). I've had a Blacksmiths' kit for a D16 for some time now (I built one years ago, when it was under the Mallard brand), but dislike the 'must be compensated/sprung' design of the chassis. I wanted to build an example with the decorative valances retained, so combined both kits. The Little Engines chassis fitted perfectly! 

 

 

By using the white metal boiler from the LE kit, weight for adhesion shouldn't be a problem. 

 

The etched footplate parts fitted perfectly, but, my gosh, there's a lot of bending to do!

 

 

Bending like this......

 

The problem with forming etched brass is that one doesn't get too many chances to get it right, and bruised/bent brass in the wrong place is the very Devil to eradicate. 

 

 

Still with a bit of pushing and pulling, swearing profusely and with every left-hand digit burnt, eventually it was all soldered in place. 

 

Cleaning up is called for.......

 

I've taken off the roof supports in anticipation of using the cast metal roof. 

 

 

I suppose it's a testament to both kits' accuracy that the different parts fitted perfectly. 

 

 

One immediate problem with using the cast metal boiler was that the whole thing then became very nose-heavy, and needed the bogie to support the front end. 

 

 

 

By springing the bogie, balance was restored. 

 

I also soldered sections of brass tube between the bogie frames to act as better bearings for the wheels. 

 

 

One other dodge is to make the front of the tender ride on the back end of the loco, transferring the front half of its weight.

 

The leading tender axle just goes along for the ride. 

 

The dodge has two benefits; it increases the adhesive power of the loco, and (with the sprung bogie) prevents the loco nodding forward. 

 

The cast metal roof also gives weight where it's needed.

 

4-4-0s (and 0-4-4s) are really tricky things to balance correctly.

 

The tender frames aren't nearly as rough in real life as they are in this picture! 

 

 

At this stage, thorough testing took place on the the MR/M&GNR bit of LB (where this loco will operate). On the sharper, fiddle yard curves (2' radius) the bogie, despite its being sprung, wanted to 'ride-up', so I increased the length of the slot in its bolster (visible in an earlier picture). This cured any problems. 

 

Only one bogie wheel is 'live', returning current on that side. One was sufficient for totally jerk-free running. 

 

If I can offer any advice to would-be loco builders, ALWAYS thoroughly test what you're making at all stages of construction. Subsequently trying to alter bits with all the finished, fine detail on is a recipe for disaster!

 

After successful testing, time to start adding finer bits such as the cab handrails and beading. 

 

That's it for now, but I'm pleased with Sunday's progress. 

 

More to follow, after I've processed and posted the pictures of Bytham's B1s. 

 

 

The decorative valance is very elegant, going back to a bygone age.

 

Mind you, ex-GC 2-8-0s didn't have a monopoly of bent front ends! 

 

 

Though, perhaps, not quite as pretty as the originals, those which lost their valances still looked very handsome, especially in lined BR black.

 

This is the type Hornby makes RTR.