RMweb Gold Manxcat Posted May 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2020 10 hours ago, Tony Wright said: I built one for a friend a couple of years ago, but I can't find the pictures for some reason. Archie, if you're reading this, would you mind posting your pictures of it, please? No problem at all Tony. Here are a couple. She still runs ever so sweetly. Archie 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 92220 Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 On 24/05/2020 at 12:16, Tony Wright said: This is most-impressive work, Iain, Thanks for showing us. The painting on your 46245 is excellent. Up to Geoff's standard? Interestingly, the '6' on this side didn't adhere over a rivet, so he replaced it. I certainly can't paint to this standard, nor yours. If I can help with details of a control panel, I certainly will. Norman Solomon made/installed mine. Regards, Tony. Dear Tony, You are far too kind. I think, if my 46245 was the subject of one of your excellent photos, you might see a much bigger difference between my work and Geoff’s. The surprise might be how I actually got to this point, which might confound the purists. I think it is ready for weathering, but sometimes the camera shows up something I’ve forgotten: First step from here was aerosol red primer and then the entire body was sprayed with more Halfords paint: In the background you can see the developing progress on a Comet Scot too. Then brush painted satin black and transfers. Fox transfer set includes yellow lines that are a trifle wide if I’m honest, but it was the best option at the time. They will tone down with weathering, and I used BR Maroon yellow and black carriage lining for the buffer beams which was much finer. Finally, I used a very fine sable to touch in all the black lines at the panel edges. Almost there on 46145 too. You kindly hosted this one at LB a couple of years ago but with the move etc, it hasn’t been completed until now. I used a custom can of deep bronze green made up in the shop, which seems ok. 46145 was not a regular at Camden but I have a photo of it there in 1959 and it has great significance for me. As you know, my loco building owes much to you: thank you very much indeed. Many thanks too for your offer of help with the control panel, which I will gratefully accept. Best wishes as always, Iain 18 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 13 hours ago, jwealleans said: Blimey yes, mine is certainly ahead of that both in quality of print and design - there's a clear rebate behind each window (but not droplights or ends) to glaze into. I have been taking pictures but I don't seem to have included the inside of the sides. I'll try to do something today. I superglued mine but all four corners needed some filling. I've also used the central lavs to allow bracing pieces across the body which has helped it stay square and rigid. Good evening Jonathan, you didn't reply to my question, but don't nock yourself out, I'm kind of losing any interest in the Isinglass kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted May 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2020 Good evening Tony and all, I was talking to Simon A.C.Martin (who sends his regards), he asked if I could post up some photos of his latest LNER model, 4489 'Dominion of Canada'. I think it's rather nice and brought back memories of The Great Goodbye a few years ago. Here's the spec list. GBL bodyshell for loco and tender Hornby tender chassis and wheels Bachmann latest A4 chassis Graeme king single chimney resin casting Maygibb A4 buffers Bell from spares box Own garter blue paint Humbrol no.20 for wheels Fox transfers for nameplates and etched parts and crests Hand painted parabolic curve And Johnson’s Klear to seal 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Manxcat said: No problem at all Tony. Here are a couple. She still runs ever so sweetly. Archie Many thanks Archie, You made a very good job of painting/weathering it. It might run even better were it on the track! Sorry, couldn't resist.... The correct-style bogie wheels DO make a difference. And, I assume, there are no squeaks? Best regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, 92220 said: Dear Tony, You are far too kind. I think, if my 46245 was the subject of one of your excellent photos, you might see a much bigger difference between my work and Geoff’s. The surprise might be how I actually got to this point, which might confound the purists. I think it is ready for weathering, but sometimes the camera shows up something I’ve forgotten: First step from here was aerosol red primer and then the entire body was sprayed with more Halfords paint: In the background you can see the developing progress on a Comet Scot too. Then brush painted satin black and transfers. Fox transfer set includes yellow lines that are a trifle wide if I’m honest, but it was the best option at the time. They will tone down with weathering, and I used BR Maroon yellow and black carriage lining for the buffer beams which was much finer. Finally, I used a very fine sable to touch in all the black lines at the panel edges. Almost there on 46145 too. You kindly hosted this one at LB a couple of years ago but with the move etc, it hasn’t been completed until now. I used a custom can of deep bronze green made up in the shop, which seems ok. 46145 was not a regular at Camden but I have a photo of it there in 1959 and it has great significance for me. As you know, my loco building owes much to you: thank you very much indeed. Many thanks too for your offer of help with the control panel, which I will gratefully accept. Best wishes as always, Iain My pleasure, Iain, Thanks for showing us your progress. It's very impressive. Regards, Tony. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Many thanks Archie, You made a very good job of painting/weathering it. It might run even better were it on the track! Sorry, couldn't resist.... The correct-style bogie wheels DO make a difference. And, I assume, there are no squeaks? Best regards, Tony. 9 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Many thanks Archie, You made a very good job of painting/weathering it. It might run even better were it on the track! Sorry, couldn't resist.... The correct-style bogie wheels DO make a difference. And, I assume, there are no squeaks? Best regards, Tony. 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Posted above a few photos' of the real 69772. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Corbs said: Good evening Tony and all, I was talking to Simon A.C.Martin (who sends his regards), he asked if I could post up some photos of his latest LNER model, 4489 'Dominion of Canada'. I think it's rather nice and brought back memories of The Great Goodbye a few years ago. Here's the spec list. GBL bodyshell for loco and tender Hornby tender chassis and wheels Bachmann latest A4 chassis Graeme king single chimney resin casting Maygibb A4 buffers Bell from spares box Own garter blue paint Humbrol no.20 for wheels Fox transfers for nameplates and etched parts and crests Hand painted parabolic curve And Johnson’s Klear to seal Good evening Corwin, Please pass on my regards to Simon. The A4 looks very impressive, especially considering its origins. Just a couple or so observations, if I may? The nameplates seem to stand very proud of the body, and I think the tender buffer stocks should be black. Further (and easy) detailing might include a screw shackle and frame-mounted guard irons. Regards, Tony. P.S. Now that LB is just about finished, I'll blank off the ends with sheets and take some video footage; then post it to you...... 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted May 25, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 I've been investigating some more elevated view possibilities on Little Bytham. What about the GN signal box's veranda? It goes round three sides of the box, so gives a few good possibilities. In this shot, 60121 SILURIAN (DJH/Wright/Haynes) has charge of the morning York/Hull combined express. Somewhere in the four foot there'll be a 50A shedplate! By moving just a bit to his right, the photographer captured this O2/4 (PDK/Wright) plodding southwards on full minerals. More tomorrow............................ 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Like the view. Picky, picky, but would the top surfaces of the checkrails be the same "brightness" as the running rails? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Corbs said: Undoubtedly a nice model - but surely that bell is way overscale? John Isherwood, 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Headstock said: Good evening Jonathan, you didn't reply to my question, but don't nock yourself out, I'm kind of losing any interest in the Isinglass kits. Evening Andrew, I must have been preparing photographs when you posted - my apologies, they were still in the camera and had to be messed about with. I've put quite a lengthy post on my workbench thread about this carriage, but to focus specifically on what you asked, the ends are also too thick as they fit outside the sides: For those new to the question, you should be able to see that on the prototype the panelling goes almost to the end of the side and the thickness of the end is behind it; on the kit, the end fits on the end of the side, lengthening it by its own thickness. It's not instantly visible from normal viewing distance, but it's not right and I suppose that's an area where a brass kit scores. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, jwealleans said: Evening Andrew, I must have been preparing photographs when you posted - my apologies, they were still in the camera and had to be messed about with. I've put quite a lengthy post on my workbench thread about this carriage, but to focus specifically on what you asked, the ends are also too thick as they fit outside the sides: For those new to the question, you should be able to see that on the prototype the panelling goes almost to the end of the side and the thickness of the end is behind it; on the kit, the end fits on the end of the side, lengthening it by its own thickness. It's not instantly visible from normal viewing distance, but it's not right and I suppose that's an area where a brass kit scores. Many thanks for the photographs and comparisons Jonathan, they are superb. Despite the number of people who seem to have bought these kits, it is incredibly difficult to get anybody to post really good close up photographs of what they have. I can see from your photographs exactly what is going on, not to criticize, but to see what the problem is and what can be done to correct it. Tail end brake carriages*, being super visible should look flush right down to the bottom of the headstocks. A question or two if you don't mind. What is the length of the sides without the ends, does it scale? Is that the underframe supplied with the kit? Thanks again. *I was cautiously considering the BT (5) Edited May 25, 2020 by Headstock remove repeat images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Quote What is the length of the sides without the ends, does it scale? Is that the underframe supplied with the kit? I managed to nip up there before leaving for work: the sides are 57' 6", so the completed coach is just a touch over 58'. It's obviously been adjusted to suit. The bare one piece floor is all you get - everything else I had to add. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 9 hours ago, 2750Papyrus said: Like the view. Picky, picky, but would the top surfaces of the checkrails be the same "brightness" as the running rails? No. The problem is, as always, that track cleaning (which isn't needed too often) tends to remove any paint I put on top of the checkrails. Fortunately, there are no checkrails to see looking south from the veranda......... Though an edge or two of the barrow crossing reveal its white Plastikard construction...... Clearly the photographer has hung out some distance to get this shot of A2/3 60515 SUN STREAM (Bachmann/King/King/Wright) heading back home to York on an express. To get the shots, all I've done is to put the camera on a variety of box sizes, as near as possible to the vantage point in question. Regards, Tony. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, jwealleans said: I managed to nip up there before leaving for work: the sides are 57' 6", so the completed coach is just a touch over 58'. It's obviously been adjusted to suit. The bare one piece floor is all you get - everything else I had to add. Good gravy, if I'm reading what you're saying correctly, the kit is not accurate to Isinglasses own drawing that they are selling! Your GN carriage should be 58' 1'' over the body. The model has added a scale six inches to the length because of the end design. To compensate, the length of the sides has been compressed by a scale six inches to keep the right length over all? What is it with manufactures and Gresley carriages? Edited May 26, 2020 by Headstock remove addition word left in by accident. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted May 26, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2020 Still standing on the signal box's veranda, this time it's returning mineral empties which attracted the photographer's attention. 50+ empties will be no problem for this 9F, ambling northwards on the Down slow. Built from a DJH kit (builder unknown), I acquired this by swapping a Bachmann 9F for it. It didn't like some of the owner's pointwork, but it has no trouble on LB's trackwork. Larry Goddard had painted it. I detailed it, fitted the correct nine-spoked pony wheels and Geoff Haynes weathered it. Swinging round, the picture-taker then got two for one........ The DJH 9F continues northwards and is passed by another 9F on a mainly-fitted freight on the Up fast. This 9F is is a detailed/weathered Bachmann one (I must admit, a lot quicker job than my building one), and, in many ways, is 'superior' to the DJH one. It has the right number of spokes in its drivers for a start (the DJH one has too many) and the cut-out shape at the rear of the 1F tender is far more-accurate. It'll pull almost as much as the DJH one as well. Though I'm happy with this view, it is compromised by the Up train's length - its rear is visible beyond the girder bridge in the distance: on a way-too-tight curve! Too tight visible curves ruin realism. Anyway, by turning round through 180 degrees, an elevated going-away-shot was achieved....... The rear of the northbound freight is still in view as the southbound (travelling at much greater speed) passes through the station. Our little 'spotter diligently observes what's going on, though neither of these New England 9Fs will be cops. 23 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 56 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: No. The problem is, as always, that track cleaning (which isn't needed too often) tends to remove any paint I put on top of the checkrails. Fortunately, there are no checkrails to see looking south from the veranda......... Though an edge or two of the barrow crossing reveal its white Plastikard construction...... Clearly the photographer has hung out some distance to get this shot of A2/3 60515 SUN STREAM (Bachmann/King/King/Wright) heading back home to York on an express. To get the shots, all I've done is to put the camera on a variety of box sizes, as near as possible to the vantage point in question. Regards, Tony. Hi Tony A very nice photo. its not easy photographing model locomotives especially if you are trying to replicate a scene from the past. I have seen a few of your examples On your thread and they are excellent I have tried to do the same on Haymarket and using a Canon G12 which is much smaller than the SLR you use, but I still find it difficult to get it just right. To obtain that typical Haymarket low level photo with Pacific’s lined up outside the shed which was so popular with photographs back in the days of steam I have to remove the turntable from its pit and still struggle to make it look Anywhere near realistic. I do enjoy seeing your photographs. Regards David 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, landscapes said: Hi Tony A very nice photo. its not easy photographing model locomotives especially if you are trying to replicate a scene from the past. I have seen a few of your examples On your thread and they are excellent I have tried to do the same on Haymarket and using a Canon G12 which is much smaller than the SLR you use, but I still find it difficult to get it just right. To obtain that typical Haymarket low level photo with Pacific’s lined up outside the shed which was so popular with photographs back in the days of steam I have to remove the turntable from its pit and still struggle to make it look Anywhere near realistic. I do enjoy seeing your photographs. Regards David Thanks David, I must confess, to get some of the more-recent shots I've lifted the signal box out of the way. Otherwise, the Nikon Df is just too big to squeeze into position. Even then, an 'actual' view is impossible. It brings an interesting set of photographic problems for those who build layouts of actual prototypes. I wouldn't have it any other way, of course, but those who create 'made-up' systems are not under the same constraints in trying to replicate actual views. They don't have any 'actual views' to attempt to replicate. I think what compromises 'realistic' photography on so many model railways (not just those which represent actual locations) are the ends, where the scenic section meets the on/offstage bits. Unless the scenic lines go out of sight 'on the straight' (as do Bytham's from 'normal' viewing angles), then the curves just look daft, even if disguised by an overbridge. Where the real railways go 'out of sight' on a curve, it's far more generous than those seen on model railways. Even where the lines go out of sight on the straight, if the tight curves are still visible beyond the scenic break (as in the picture of the two 9Fs), realism is 'lost'. Regards, Tony. Edited May 26, 2020 by Tony Wright to clarify a point 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, Headstock said: The model has added a scale six inches to the length because of the end design. To compensate, the length of the sides has been compressed by a scale six inches to keep the right length over all? Yes, I think that sums it up. I don't have a D & S side for the same diagram (did he ever do this one?) but I have a D183 which I can put alongside it sometime. I'd suspect that the compression is equally spread over the whole side so it's lost over the length of the vehicle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 So I can continue modeling, which is encouraged on this thread, does any one know if instructions exist for these D&s Parker gcr 8ft bogies designed by A Gibbing, as I was kindly given some but without instructions. Also what are these small components in the top middle, which may be from the bogies or from the carriage a Parker 5 compartment third? and what are the thin legs for on the steps for the brake carriages far left of photo piece in among the brake pull rods? I have asked on my thread Some questions answered, thank you Bill, but this has stumped all so far. many thanks richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Haven't ever made any of those, but the small pieces with the half etched line are door hinges. Fold them though 90 degrees, push through the slot in the side, solder from the rear. The little legs on the steps are the securing brackets, which being above the step are visible? Fold the step up, place against the bogie side with plenty of flux and apply iron - the solder will wick up the back of the folded brass and the bracket above, securing it firmly. At least, that's the theory. Is this an old kit or can you still get hold of these anywhere? The GC Society haven't (to my knowledge) released any of the Parker kits again although the castings have been reproduced. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, jwealleans said: Yes, I think that sums it up. I don't have a D & S side for the same diagram (did he ever do this one?) but I have a D183 which I can put alongside it sometime. I'd suspect that the compression is equally spread over the whole side so it's lost over the length of the vehicle. Thanks, Jonathan, In that case, the only way that the ends could be corrected, on any of the non gangway stock in the range, is to shorten the body by a scale six inches. Unfortunately, it would no longer fit on a replacement scale underframe. You couldn't even cut and shut the sides into a Hornby body for instance, shame. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted May 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 26, 2020 Tony, I like your high level shots. I know that some people prefer ground level shots as being more reminiscent of real railway shot, but I like the opportunity to see more of the train and layout. Keep them coming and don’t feel you have to limit them to positions where they might have been taken. Perhaps the photographer had a hot air balloon! Did such things exist in the ‘50s? Andy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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