cb900f Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said: Hi Pete, yep I was wrong. I’d not been aware of the SEF kit so by default if it wasn’t an LRM model I had assumed it must be a Craftsman model. So many choices. But for me there is something about the quality of the LRM kit that sets it apart from the others. I might have a go at modifying an LRM kit to produce a round cornered tank version. I wonder what other material differences there were between the square and round cornered prototype C12s? Frank Frank, There is a 4th C12 in 4mm by Ace products, better known I think for his 7mm kits. I have adapted 2 craftsman C12s to square tank/bunker. If you model 67357 be careful as it had round bunker coal rails but had a square bunker. There is a host of detail differences even in the same class. Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, Chas Levin said: Good morning Tony, thanks for the explanation, very interesting. Given what I've seen so far of LRM products (and I have a few in the t-build pile so I've examined more than I've built) I'd imagine that's a very rare occurrence. Although I'm a relative beginner in loco construction the idea of starting by producing a "free-running, rigid and quiet 'inside-cylinder' chassis" seems a very good plan to me and when I tackle my first loco with anything going on beyond simply coupling rods that's exactly what I intend doing! I like 'ovality': is that like Ovaltine? Is it caused by Ovaltineys getting onto the etch? It's the only LRM kit where I've had this problem, Chas, As I say, it must have been a mistake between the design and the etching process. Malcolm Crawley (the K2 kit's designer) had a reputation for accuracy. Regards, Tony. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grahame Posted November 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2020 Further to my photo, posted several pages back now, of the N/2mm scale Southwark district gas office building, I've now made and added the roof details and hopper-heads and down pipes for it. More recently I've been scratch-building a rather utilitarian single storey pre-fab structure, that was in front of the office block. It was the medical centre for the gas works in the 1970s although it now appears to be the 'Cliwom Sanctuary of Praise' which according the the internet is a multicultural liberation ministry church. Whatever that is. How things change over time. The more modern Old Kent Road gas showroom, that was in front of the medical centre right on the Old Kent Road next to the entrance gates has been demolished and the area appears to be a playground for the 'church'. My model is very much compressed and scaled back, as space is at a premium, but hopefully is representative of the real structure. It's not complete as there are several details, like a raised tank on the roof and porch for the main entrance, to make and add. The entrance part of the gas works is starting to take shape. Here it is so far, if anyone is interested. 16 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2020 Curving carriage sides. I will have a few I need to the same profile, Basically late Swindon, so flat upper and curved bottoms. Used on both GWR stock and BR DMUs. Doing it with nothing more than some form of roller and mat is not good, not happy with the DMU side curves, not bag, just not good enough for me as it took ages for a slightly wobbly look. So there are rolling bars, and presses. I am thinking of making a wood former for the outside, glue strips on fill and sand, and a press former to go into it. Then squash it! Firstly, will this work. Secondly, do I need to go tighter or will as needed be correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 Another lockdown, so more locomotives.............. Actually, this one was started during the last lockdown, but shelved as barter projects took precedence. Exceptionally-good fit of parts with this DJH 8F. 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, MJI said: Curving carriage sides. I will have a few I need to the same profile, Basically late Swindon, so flat upper and curved bottoms. Used on both GWR stock and BR DMUs. Doing it with nothing more than some form of roller and mat is not good, not happy with the DMU side curves, not bag, just not good enough for me as it took ages for a slightly wobbly look. So there are rolling bars, and presses. I am thinking of making a wood former for the outside, glue strips on fill and sand, and a press former to go into it. Then squash it! Firstly, will this work. Secondly, do I need to go tighter or will as needed be correct. Rolling bars and, if you have access to one, a press. I've seen skirting board used, but it's not as accurate in my observation. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Non MR related but I have just found that a local importer of UK stuff has some 'BISTO' Curry Sauce Gravy modules. From 40 plus years ago before i left the UK Curry Sauce for Chips was becoming popular but now for 'BISTO' to bring it out it must be pretty well mainstream. BTW I did buy some and some UK Chinese Curry Mix. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Rolling bars and, if you have access to one, a press. I've seen skirting board used, but it's not as accurate in my observation. Regards, Tony. Unless you can use someone else's, rolling bars or a press would be a big investment. I've used skirting board in the past. It's OK as long as you don't rush things and end up with a crease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cram Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said: Hi Pete, yep I was wrong. I’d not been aware of the SEF kit so by default if it wasn’t an LRM model I had assumed it must be a Craftsman model. So many choices. But for me there is something about the quality of the LRM kit that sets it apart from the others. I might have a go at modifying an LRM kit to produce a round cornered tank version. I wonder what other material differences there were between the square and round cornered prototype C12s? Frank I am currently test building a round tank version if the C12 in brass. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted November 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 hours ago, MJI said: Curving carriage sides. I will have a few I need to the same profile, Basically late Swindon, so flat upper and curved bottoms. Used on both GWR stock and BR DMUs. Doing it with nothing more than some form of roller and mat is not good, not happy with the DMU side curves, not bag, just not good enough for me as it took ages for a slightly wobbly look. So there are rolling bars, and presses. I am thinking of making a wood former for the outside, glue strips on fill and sand, and a press former to go into it. Then squash it! Firstly, will this work. Secondly, do I need to go tighter or will as needed be correct. You would be in good company using skirting board. That was how Roy Jackson did his. I can't recall the full details but he had a home made bending jig which had a second bit of wood fixed along the length which made sure the top edge was parallel. It may even have acted as a holding clamp but it is ages since I saw it and can't remember. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2020 Great so my wood idea will work. I can stand on it I suppose to press it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, t-b-g said: You would be in good company using skirting board. That was how Roy Jackson did his. I can't recall the full details but he had a home made bending jig which had a second bit of wood fixed along the length which made sure the top edge was parallel. It may even have acted as a holding clamp but it is ages since I saw it and can't remember. 55 minutes ago, MJI said: Great so my wood idea will work. I can stand on it I suppose to press it. It's a long while since I did any (in the days before Comet sides came pre-formed), so I might have forgotten some details, but I used a second piece of wood to hold the side to the skirting board, the edge of the second piece being where the curve started. Sticky tape was handy to keep the bits in place at this stage. I clamped the whole lot up in the Workmate so that it was gripped along its length. Then I took a third piece of wood, longer than the side, and ran it back and forth along the side, applying gentle pressure, until I'd got the curve I wanted. I found that skirting board with a quarter-round profile at the top was easier to use than the stuff with a sharp angle half way down, if you can picture what I mean. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNWR18901910 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Hullo, Tony! I hope you are doing alright during these harsh, unfair, uncompromising, trying and difficult times. Also, I have been at work on several projects myself: *Retro-style models in celebration of Hornby's Centenary Year (or whatever's left of it) *Pre-Grouping Vintage Trains (which I started in late-2016/early-to-mid-2017 prior to joining this website) *Taking modern-day train companies and giving them the Steam-era (mostly Pre-Grouping) treatment What do you think of these ideas? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravy Train Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 On 25/10/2020 at 21:36, t-b-g said: A bit more progress on and inside the signalbox. I hope I will be forgiven a little whimsy. Looking good is that Tony, like the interior. 4 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted November 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2020 9 hours ago, St Enodoc said: It's a long while since I did any (in the days before Comet sides came pre-formed), Comet sides were pre-formed in a fly press. I was allowed to do a few myself under close supervision from Geoff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, 96701 said: Comet sides were pre-formed in a fly press. I was allowed to do a few myself under close supervision from Geoff. Understood, Phil. I was talking about the early days when they were supplied flat and you had to form them yourself. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted November 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, St Enodoc said: Understood, Phil. I was talking about the early days when they were supplied flat and you had to form them yourself. I seem to recall that they bought the fly press to prevent those who are unable to bend coach sides from complaining and asking for refunds / replacements...... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, 96701 said: I seem to recall that they bought the fly press to prevent those who are unable to bend coach sides from complaining and asking for refunds / replacements...... This is why I want to make a Swindon profile set, will suit a number of vehicles I need, from a GWR designed non corridor to a 120 Cross Country DMU. I reckon 12 sides will be enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 12 hours ago, LNWR18901910 said: Hullo, Tony! I hope you are doing alright during these harsh, unfair, uncompromising, trying and difficult times. Also, I have been at work on several projects myself: *Retro-style models in celebration of Hornby's Centenary Year (or whatever's left of it) *Pre-Grouping Vintage Trains (which I started in late-2016/early-to-mid-2017 prior to joining this website) *Taking modern-day train companies and giving them the Steam-era (mostly Pre-Grouping) treatment What do you think of these ideas? Very interesting. I'm sure we'll all like to see the results. When you say 'modern-day train companies', it'll be the liveries you're altering? In this respect, it's a pity the current LNER Azumas weren't tried out in apple green (in the way the GWR ones carry a form of dark green). It would be amusing to see a model of one in light green. Regards, Tony. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 hours ago, 96701 said: I seem to recall that they bought the fly press to prevent those who are unable to bend coach sides from complaining and asking for refunds / replacements...... They did Phil, And I had the use of it before Dave Lewis bought his own. The problem was/is that the press produces just one profile (most-suited to LMS types if memory serves). For, say, Mk.1s, the higher sides have to be curved as well; with great care, so as not to produces creases at the windows. That said, it's far better to have sides pre-formed. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 6, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just a wee update............ With the sale of the crane, prototype wagons, my mashed Deltic and the donated Dapol Deltic, £125.00 has been raised for CRUK. Thanks to Ray, Lee, Frank, Geoff and Brian for making it possible. 13 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 6, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2020 A wonderful thing arrived in the post today - from Australia................... It was made by Jesse Sim, as a present for me. What a kind gesture. It'll work on the MR/M&GNR bit of LB. Perhaps Jesse would like to comment on its origins. Thanks so much, Jesse................ 26 3 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 6, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2020 Progress on the DJH 8F to date.................... DJH really do give you the best option in mixed-media metal kits in my opinion; castings for 'thick' items and etched brass where thin metal is to be replicated. It runs really well. The sharp-eyed will note I've moved the front steps a bit further forward than prototypical. Set-back, they fouled the pony wheels, even on 3' radius curves. An acceptable compromise? 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Tony Wright said: The sharp-eyed will note I've moved the front steps a bit further forward than prototypical. Set-back, they fouled the pony wheels, even on 3' radius curves. An acceptable compromise? Maybe more a practical workable compromise? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jesse Sim Posted November 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Tony Wright said: A wonderful thing arrived in the post today - from Australia................... It was made by Jesse Sim, as a present for me. What a kind gesture. It'll work on the MR/M&GNR bit of LB. Perhaps Jesse would like to comment on its origins. Thanks so much, Jesse................ LB has many modellers work, from signals, track and buildings. So I thought I’d like to build you something from one friend to another, as you have helped me enormously these past few years. I’m really getting the hang of building wagons, well I think I am and it was the least I could do. I’ve helped on Grantham, the station canopy brackets and now I have a small slice of my work on LB, the two layouts that have meant a lot to me. LB since I was a teenager and Grantham since the March edition of BRM in 2014, which inspired me to go LNER. Enough of my waffle, it’s a whitemetal NER open from Wizards. I just hope it runs..... 22 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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