Tony Wright Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Dave Hunt said: I agree with Tony about the self-weighing tenders and also about publishing. The most knowledgeable man I ever knew about Midland and LMS locomotives was David Tee but he was very reluctant to write about them until every i was dotted and every t crossed with the result that apart from one small monograph on the Compounds he never made his knowledge widely known. Fortunately for me he was happy to talk about it with friends so I was able to use it in many of my own writings. My good friend and co-author Bob Essery used to say that it was far better to publish what you knew providing that you made it clear what was known fact and what was supposition and that way other people reading your work may be able and willing to contribute their knowledge, which we did with some success as the feedback we received was considerable. The mention of Bob unfortunately brings me to impart the sad news that he is suffering from fairly advanced Alzheimer's disease and is now in a nursing home, which is something dreadful to say the least. Dave Good morning Dave, It's so sad to learn of Bob's condition. It was an immense privilege for me to be able to work with him on a few publications. His knowledge of railways, both prototype and model was immense (sadly, I use the past tense, given what he's now suffering from) and he was a brilliant writer. I was flattered when he said we were a 'team'. His job was to do the writing, mine to take the pictures. He had confidence in what I could do and I had supreme confidence in what his role was. I suppose the greatest privilege was being issued with a 'lifetime lineside photographic pass for Dewsbury'. I didn't use it enough................... Regards, Tony. Edited February 13, 2021 by Tony Wright to add something 14 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leander Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 14 hours ago, SD85 said: I thought that Black 5 had a WD tender behind it at first. Any other shots of this loco with the tender? Thanks. Three different images of 45081 are on Rail Online, one duplicated in colour. Search https://www.rail-online.co.uk/?q=45081. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) I bought a secondhand Perseverence GC clerestory third built by a friend of mine. I substituted brass D&S bogies as replacements for the over tall w/m ones supplied with the kit and also made the body sit as low as possible - it's still a bit high but no where near as much. I can't do anything about the end profile of course. I have two to build myself at some stage and have D& S bogies for those as well. Andrew Edited February 13, 2021 by Woodcock29 Typos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecgtheow Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, t-b-g said: http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=48429.0 Will take you to images of a preserved but unrestored carriage based at Ruddington. There is a nice photo in Dow's trilogy as well, volume 3 P146. As Graeme says, there are some errors in the kit and Steve Banks has details of how to improve the end profile on his website. I recall somebody telling me that the clerestory was too wide but I can't recall the details. They do ride a bit high too and I cheated by putting 12mm wheels in the only one I ever completed. Malcolm Crawley built a couple and took some off the top of the bogies and added a new top "lip", then adjusted the bogie mountings to make them sit a bit lower. They are, as the late great Roy Jackson would have said, better then the ones we haven't got but they amount of work required to get them really accurate is considerable. I attach a photo, a compressed version of one of Tony Wright's showing Malcolm's two carriages and his scratchbuilt GCR 4-4-2T at work on Tickhill and Wadworth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecgtheow Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Many thanks to the 3 knowledgeable Wright Writes contributors, who have responded so swiftly. There is a saying along the lines of "you don't see what you weren't looking for". In this case that applies to me in spades if not "No Trumps" (if only that were the case), because I have Dow Vol 3 & there it is - just the sort of photo we were looking for on p146. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, ecgtheow said: Many thanks to the 3 knowledgeable Wright Writes contributors, who have responded so swiftly. There is a saying along the lines of "you don't see what you weren't looking for". In this case that applies to me in spades if not "No Trumps" (if only that were the case), because I have Dow Vol 3 & there it is - just the sort of photo we were looking for on p146. William I may have meant Vol 3.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Sharma Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: There were drawings of the type paired with LMR locos in an old issue of Railway Modeller. ISTR the notes mentioned there were three or four of them. PDK have made a kit for the Merchant Navy one. The prototype was eventually rebuilt into conventional form, becoming effectively a longer version of the BR 5250g rebody type. John The RM article is in RM March 2016 and here is a 7mm one I prepared earlier: 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted February 13, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2021 Definitely a first! KR Models' GT3 arrived today for me to road test on Little Bytham. Though it's DCC onboard, I was able to run it (not with every function, of course) and the sound worked. I have to say it's rather impressive, though I can't for the life of me recall if the sound is correct (it has a high-pitched whine). It used to work through Chester on test from Newton le Willows, but it was a long time ago. I find it astonishing that prototype locos which were not particularly successful and short-lived are now the subject of RTR models. The Fell diesel has been mentioned and also the 'Leader'. Still, Heljan did it with their one-off diesels. It must be something to do with a fascination for 'oddities'. It ran superbly, and I've taken moving footage which will be seen soon on BRM digital. Andy York has written a full review for the next issue of BRM. I predict GT3 to be a great success.................... 23 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Has anyone out there built a model of GT3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cctransuk Posted February 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Tony Wright said: Has anyone out there built a model of GT3? Please Sir - me sir !! John Isherwood. 12 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, cctransuk said: Please Sir - me sir !! John Isherwood. Thanks John, What a splendid model. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 GT3. Yes it appeared in BRM, but it is packed away at the moment in the garage so can not prove it exists. richard 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted February 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Tony Wright said: I find it astonishing that prototype locos which were not particularly successful and short-lived are now the subject of RTR models. The Fell diesel has been mentioned and also the 'Leader'. Still, Heljan did it with their one-off diesels. It must be something to do with a fascination for 'oddities'. I predict GT3 to be a great success.................... I agree. The number of "prototypes" and small, unsuccessful classes now available RTR is incredible; I grew up wondering when a Class as numerous as the 47s would have an RTR model that actually looked like one. The availability though, as I have said before, reflects the growth in collectors over builders of model railways; many, if not most of those purchased might never be run. So many people don't have the time or space for a layout anyway (at least one of the size that interests them), but by not spending anything on construction, they can buy more locos.... As a manufacturer, to exploit this market trend while it lasts you would have to keep introducing new models, no matter how obscure the prototype. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Definitely a first! KR Models' GT3 arrived today for me to road test on Little Bytham. Though it's DCC onboard, I was able to run it (not with every function, of course) and the sound worked. I have to say it's rather impressive, though I can't for the life of me recall if the sound is correct (it has a high-pitched whine). It used to work through Chester on test from Newton le Willows, but it was a long time ago. I find it astonishing that prototype locos which were not particularly successful and short-lived are now the subject of RTR models. The Fell diesel has been mentioned and also the 'Leader'. Still, Heljan did it with their one-off diesels. It must be something to do with a fascination for 'oddities'. It ran superbly, and I've taken moving footage which will be seen soon on BRM digital. Andy York has written a full review for the next issue of BRM. I predict GT3 to be a great success.................... That's good to see, given some of the flak that has been directed at the manufacturer. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted February 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2021 I do find the marketing situation with the new model of GT3 a bit odd. It was available for pre-order only, from a new manufacturer with no track record, at a time when a similar approach from another supplier had failed spectacularly. No additional models of GT3 appear to have been produced by KR for open sale, for those who would like to have more confidence in the final product before making a purchasing decision. GT3 is now hitting the model press, with multiple reviews in all the regular magazines... but nobody can actually go out and buy one off the shelf, from their usual retailers, or even from the manufacturer at this point in time. A second production run is being proposed if there is a sufficient level of interest expressed to the manufacturer, but delivery will be some time in the future and it sounds like manufacturing hasn’t even commenced yet. Whilst I can perhaps understand the manufacturers desire to test the water regarding level of interest before proceeding to production, from the customers perspective it is a very unsatisfactory way of going about things with the risk all being passed on to the consumer, and extensive market exposure completely being mis-matched with availability. I can only hope that future manufacturers opting for this approach have sufficient faith in their product to order additional quantities to meet further demand once their product is realised and all the media exposure kicks in. A missed opportunity I think, from an overly cautious supplier. I do hope that this does not become the normal way forward for RTR products in the future. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) Just about all modern production is in limited batch runs that make pre-ordering a necessity to avoid FOMO, especially when manufacturing quantity is tailored to them. If there was no large deposit or full pre-payment required then maybe placing a pre-order would be prudent. I can quite understand a new manufacturer being cautious about funding a large production run without any idea of sales demand. Edited February 13, 2021 by grahame 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Has anyone out there built a model of GT3? Hello Tony On the visit to LB where I met up with richard i as well as yourself, GT3 came up in the conversation and by chance it was in one the boxes of EMUs I had with me. You let me run it, I don't think anyone took a photo of it. Guess what? It still isn't finished. Here it is running on my layout. As far as the two teachers who witnessed it running on LB are concerned, my homework is not completed because the cat ate my tools, sadly it died and needed to be flush down the toilet. Plastic card body on scratchbuilt brass frames. Not finished as I never finish anything, but don't tell Sir. 12 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chamby said: I do find the marketing situation with the new model of GT3 a bit odd. It was available for pre-order only, from a new manufacturer with no track record, at a time when a similar approach from another supplier had failed spectacularly. No additional models of GT3 appear to have been produced by KR for open sale, for those who would like to have more confidence in the final product before making a purchasing decision. GT3 is now hitting the model press, with multiple reviews in all the regular magazines... but nobody can actually go out and buy one off the shelf, from their usual retailers, or even from the manufacturer at this point in time. A second production run is being proposed if there is a sufficient level of interest expressed to the manufacturer, but delivery will be some time in the future and it sounds like manufacturing hasn’t even commenced yet. Whilst I can perhaps understand the manufacturers desire to test the water regarding level of interest before proceeding to production, from the customers perspective it is a very unsatisfactory way of going about things with the risk all being passed on to the consumer, and extensive market exposure completely being mis-matched with availability. I can only hope that future manufacturers opting for this approach have sufficient faith in their product to order additional quantities to meet further demand once their product is realised and all the media exposure kicks in. A missed opportunity I think, from an overly cautious supplier. I do hope that this does not become the normal way forward for RTR products in the future. 45 minutes ago, grahame said: Just about all modern production is in limited batch runs that make pre-ordering a necessity to avoid FOMO, especially when manufacturing quantity is tailored to them. If there was no large deposit or full pre-payment required then maybe placing a pre-order would be prudent. I can quite understand a new manufacturer being cautious about funding a large production run without any idea of sales demand. Unless I'm mistaken, Rails have adopted a similar arrangement for the forthcoming 18000 (GT1?) but nobody seems to be criticising them in the way that KR Models were criticised (all right, Rails/Heljan are a lot more established than KR Models). I really was astonished by how folk attacked - I can't think of another word for it - KR Models over GT3. Edited February 14, 2021 by St Enodoc 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Unless I'm mistaken, Rails have adopted a similar arrangement for the forthcoming 18000 (GT1?) but nobody seems to be criticising them in the way that KR Models were criticised (all right, Rails/Heljan are a lot more established than KR Models). I really was astonished by how folk attacked - I can't think of another word for it - KR Models over GT3 Nothing to do with K R Models and the related thread but GT3 was English Electric's numbering. Deltic was diesel prototype one, DP1, DP2 was diesel prototype two and GT3 was number three. 18000 was BR number nothing to do with GT3. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted February 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Chamby said: A missed opportunity I think, from an overly cautious supplier. I do hope that this does not become the normal way forward for RTR products in the future. Or is it missed opportunities from over cautious purchasers? If you want one, put your name down for a second run. You might get lucky. There are lots of RTR models that are limited edition and no longer available. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 13/02/2021 at 06:52, Ravenser said: May I politely enquire whether the Hornby F10 body is short of scale length and by how much? Not meant to criticise - my own efforts with it are shown below. I think it is either 1 or 2 mm short, and I took 1mm out of the wheelbase and made it 9'9" to fudge. (This was easy enough as I was using etched W-irons on a scratchbuilt chassis) I don't have the relevant volume of the new Tatlow, as I'm basically a modern image modeller and this is about the only N ER wagon I'll ever build (I have the old 1 volume Tatlow and the new Vols 1 /4a/4b) so my effort is a bit of a guesstimate. However it would be good to know how far I guessed right To be honest I don’t really know, I was following the work that Graeme King and Jonathan Wealleans have done. Maybe they’d be able to comment. Sorry I can’t be of help. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerron Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 15 hours ago, Woodcock29 said: I bought a secondhand Perseverence GC clerestory third built by a friend of mine. I substituted brass D&S bogies as replacements for the over tall w/m ones supplied with the kit and also made the body sit as low as possible - it's still a bit high but no where near as much. I can't do anything about the end profile of course. I have two to build myself at some stage and have D& S bogies for those as well. Andrew Ignorance is bliss Andrew! I bought one off ebay some years ago and not knowing much about GCR rolling stock built it as it came. I must remember to exclude any GCR afficionados from my next meeting. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 17 hours ago, Woodcock29 said: I bought a secondhand Perseverence GC clerestory third built by a friend of mine. I substituted brass D&S bogies as replacements for the over tall w/m ones supplied with the kit and also made the body sit as low as possible - it's still a bit high but no where near as much. I can't do anything about the end profile of course. I have two to build myself at some stage and have D& S bogies for those as well. Andrew Further to my comments of yesterday, I've made some comparisons of the coach I have, plus the unbuilt kits with drawings and the end photo I have. It appears that the clerestory is about 2mm too wide. As the ends of the clerestory are not parts of the end etches it would be possible to cut them down the centre to narrow them. I remain to be totally convinced about how wrong the end profile is - the sides of the roof are supposedly too curved either side of the clerestory. Comparing the photo I have with those of the modified ends on Steve Banks website suggest the modified ends are too flat and that somewhere in the middle would be more correct so I think I will be able to live with the ends as they are However, the two ends are the same with provision made for steps and alarm gear on both ends. The steps should only be on one end and the alarm gear on the other. Some of the steps also appear to be in wrong positions compared to the body at Ruddington. As the etches are not overly thin it is possible with delicate filing, with the right sort of file, to remove the base of the steps on one end and also those in incorrect positions as I've just tried it out of interest (I needed a distraction from the debacle that appears to be unfolding with the England cricket team in Chennai!). I didn't complete it but it is certainly possible but will just take time. In case anyone is interested I have attached a photo of the end of the coach at Ruddington, note its sitting on a bogie flat wagon. Andrew 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 hours ago, St Enodoc said: That's good to see, given some of the flak that has been directed at the manufacturer. Royal train headcode though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Hello Tony On the visit to LB where I met up with richard i as well as yourself, GT3 came up in the conversation and by chance it was in one the boxes of EMUs I had with me. You let me run it, I don't think anyone took a photo of it. Guess what? It still isn't finished. Here it is running on my layout. As far as the two teachers who witnessed it running on LB are concerned, my homework is not completed because the cat ate my tools, sadly it died and needed to be flush down the toilet. Plastic card body on scratchbuilt brass frames. Not finished as I never finish anything, but don't tell Sir. How forgetful of me, Clive, Of course you brought it, and I remember it running (performing very well). However, I've looked through my picture library, and you're right; nobody took a photograph. How remiss of me. Thanks for showing us. I look forward to seeing it finished! Regards, Tony. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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