RMweb Gold Iain.d Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Woodcock29 said: And certainly not to me! Maybe somewhere in the west? Definitely not me! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Iain.d said: Definitely not me! There seems to be some sort of group denial about where that kit is going! 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Iain.d Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2021 About a month back I showed the progress on a couple of Ratio wagons - a 12 ton box van and a 5 plank open. Well here they are finished. Also included at the front left is an old Dapol 5 plank open that I have tidied up. I saw it at a model railway show here in Perth and took pity on it, it had a rough paint job, was minus axles and a couple of buffer heads. That said, it was about the only thing on the stall I thought was worth the money – at a princely $3! All have metal wheels in pinpoint bearings, 3 link couplings, Gibson sprung buffers and home produced transfers. Painted using a variety of manufacturers colours and a bit of weathering. While nothing really special, I find these sorts of modelling projects very rewarding, I do them concurrently with other bigger builds, these being easy in that they have lots of little jobs that take five minutes at a time and I can do a lot of the modelling in front of the TV with the family. I’m never in a rush to finish them. I have also started a couple of carriages. First up is this Roxey Mouldings GWR (Dia A2/A3) Clifton Down Driving Trailer. Its going to be completed as W3338 which was, I think, the last survivor in South Wales until about 1954. There’s a fair amount of info about these vehicles across various threads on RMWeb. I find the Roxey etches quite exquisite, they can seem quite daunting at first, but I find its just a case of breaking the construction up into logical chunks. And I’m having a go at my second BSL Phoenix carriage, a LMS D1807 Third Open. I bought this on eBay thinking it was a complete kit but it was only the body, so have purchased Comet bogies and carriage underframe fittings. I’ll knock up the underframe trussing from the brass strip and angle at the weekend. I think we’re due another wet weekend here so I should get some modelling time. Kind regards, Iain 17 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2021 On 01/06/2021 at 19:08, robertcwp said: Don't forget the carriage roofboards and end boards/pipes and dropped-head buck-eyes on the ends of trains, etc. Well many of the GN trains were fitted with roof boards where appropriate and practical , I fitted them. There are a few commercial products for them which weren’t suitable, for example the boards and word spaces being too long, so those that we’re designed for use on Mk1’s weren’t applied to Gresley or Thompson coaches where they clearly couldn’t fit due to the prototype roof board mountings, and where the boards would have been too long. For the date Roy was modelling some roof boards didn’t have the right location mix on either, still those too weren’t used. Some of the consists were made from a blend of Roy’s personal stock and loaned items, loaned items generally weren’t fitted as they weren’t ‘ours’ to alter, there were a few exceptions to that though. End boards weren’t fitted, some designs were out of era, and on the prototype were not used in any great numbers by the date Roy was modelling, so we left them off. Buckeyes and pipes were under discussion, (glacially) and again I’m certain would likely have been subject to owned/loaned. Tail lamps weren’t fitted, Roy didn’t like the older white metal cast lamps in any case, and it’s only relatively recently that the higher quality LMS/Modelu lamps have been available. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, PMP said: Well many of the GN trains were fitted with roof boards where appropriate and practical , I fitted them. There are a few commercial products for them which weren’t suitable, for example the boards and word spaces being too long, so those that we’re designed for use on Mk1’s weren’t applied to Gresley or Thompson coaches where they clearly couldn’t fit due to the prototype roof board mountings, and where the boards would have been too long. For the date Roy was modelling some roof boards didn’t have the right location mix on either, still those too weren’t used. Some of the consists were made from a blend of Roy’s personal stock and loaned items, loaned items generally weren’t fitted as they weren’t ‘ours’ to alter, there were a few exceptions to that though. End boards weren’t fitted, some designs were out of era, and on the prototype were not used in any great numbers by the date Roy was modelling, so we left them off. Buckeyes and pipes were under discussion, (glacially) and again I’m certain would likely have been subject to owned/loaned. Tail lamps weren’t fitted, Roy didn’t like the older white metal cast lamps in any case, and it’s only relatively recently that the higher quality LMS/Modelu lamps have been available. The trains that I recall had boards already were The Flying Scotsman, The Heart of Midlothian, The Queen of Scots and possibly one or two others. I can't remember whether The Yorkshire Pullman has them or not. The Talisman, The West Riding and The Elizabethan did not. Loaned stock, apart from my own, does not have them. I tried some commercially available roof boards but switched to making my own. I'm not entirely happy with the commercially available ones I put on The Talisman and may replace them with some I have made. Similarly with the boards I put on my carriages that went into the HoM to make the formation more accurate. They will come off and be replaced at some point. I don't suppose you or anyone else knows what the boards on the Boat Train (Liverpool-Harwich) said? I can't find any decent photos but boards appear to have been carried on at least some carriages. I agree about the lamps - all those I have put on Retford are Lanarkshire Models ones. There are lots! Roy did have an out-of-period 1960s-style end board on the BCK on The Elizabethan. It's so well stuck on that I could not change it without risking damage, so it's staying where it is, as are a few others. I recycled other Bachmann ones to the front carriages, as they are less conspicuous there. The front carriage end boards were generally fitted I believe, except where a corridor tender was in use. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2021 ^^ No idea re the boat trains, I worked from Roy’s instructions, and from books in his and Geoff’s library when doing the consists. With the end board if it’s a paper one it’ll cut off with a new scalpel blade, and then make good with sanding sticks+paint. Alternatively the easier option will be to paint it black and then weather it to reduce the fresh paint. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 7 hours ago, robertcwp said: There seems to be some sort of group denial about where that kit is going! So that the mystery can be solved, it was me. I have been in search of a 3521 for quite a while and the rare ones that have cropped up on Ebay have gone for horrific prices. Under the circumstances, I was happy to offer 140GBP and the money is going to a good cause. Thank you Sandra and Tony. Regards, Craig W 6 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, PMP said: ^^ No idea re the boat trains, I worked from Roy’s instructions, and from books in his and Geoff’s library when doing the consists. With the end board if it’s a paper one it’ll cut off with a new scalpel blade, and then make good with sanding sticks+paint. Alternatively the easier option will be to paint it black and then weather it to reduce the fresh paint. Thanks. The boat train will have to remain without boards for now. The set has changed somewhat from Roy's day as only five carriages that were in the train when Sandra acquired the layout remain there, the others having been redistributed or, in one case, taken off the layout. The end board on The Elizabethan BCK is the Bachmann plastic one that comes with their Mark 1 BSKs and BCKs. It's more typical of the 1960s. It's very firmly glued on. I normally attach end boards with black tack. They remain in place but can be changed easily. All the MJT etched ones I put on Retford trains are done that way so they can come off if someone else can do better. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I can't claim to be an expert on carriage end boards, but this is the sort that come with Bachmann Mark 1 stock: SC16657E_Tulloch_1-6-63 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr This is the type that I believe was more typical on the Eastern in the 1950s: TBTO_ElyNorth_RCTS-close-up by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 7 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2021 Both those types are available from MJT if I remember correctly, so they’d be a reasonably straightforward replacement if the Bachmann one is irreparable. Replica Model Railways are also likely to have a Mk1 gangway available as a spare. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Wait what 4-4-0 have I bought? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 G'Day Folks Re, the signal 'Falling over' on Retford, I think Roy 'Pushed' it over, his way of saying, 'that loco's not heavy enough'.......... Terry, (aka manna) 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 47 minutes ago, Jesse Sim said: Wait what 4-4-0 have I bought? You have seen the light and turned into a GWR modeller too! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted June 3, 2021 Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Craigw said: So that the mystery can be solved, it was me. I have been in search of a 3521 for quite a while and the rare ones that have cropped up on Ebay have gone for horrific prices. Under the circumstances, I was happy to offer 140GBP and the money is going to a good cause. Thank you Sandra and Tony. Regards, Craig W I wasn't going to say Craig.................. Thanks for your generosity. The other thanks are due to Sandra, who donated the model. I'm just part of the postal chain. It'll be on its way to you early next week. I'll have quite a pile to take to the Post Office! Regards, Tony. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted June 3, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2021 A timeless scene on Ian Wilson's Edenham.................... Not related to anything of late on here (though the carriages do have destination boards); I just thought it made a nice picture. Speaking of the carriages, they're ancient BSL ones which I acquired off Baz Oliver (thanks Baz). Who built them, we have no idea, but they're not bad. They had no bogies (which I either made or were given - thanks Keith), and needed minor repairs, but I'm delighted with them as 'layout coaches'. The loco is Hornby (detailed by me/weathered by Tom Foster). Edenham will be in the RM later this year. 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2021 11 hours ago, robertcwp said: I don't suppose you or anyone else knows what the boards on the Boat Train (Liverpool-Harwich) said? I can't find any decent photos but boards appear to have been carried on at least some carriages. Hello Robert I may be wrong here, but I have a feeling that a roof board is visible in a British Transport Film...the problem is, which one! I'll have a look through some possible suspects soon. Not suitable for Retford, but one 'cinema film ' that was on TV recently had a very clear view of Cambridge Buffet Express boards on some crimson & cream stock departing King's Cross. Brian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2021 Hello again Robert I have found that BTF has a list of all its films, with dates. I'm pretty certain the film concerned was c.1960, so I'll start looking at those soon. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2021 Hello Robert This was the film I was thinking of. Brian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu3_6CZMhpY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 13 hours ago, robertcwp said: I don't suppose you or anyone else knows what the boards on the Boat Train (Liverpool-Harwich) said? I can't find any decent photos but boards appear to have been carried on at least some carriages. Would I be correct in thinking that train reversed at Manchester Central having arrived in off the CLC route, then took the Fallowfield loop to Guide Bridge where it would have handed over to electric traction? Two loco changes within 10 miles / 20 mins of each other! I've had a look in a couple of my Manchester-centric books. No luck so far but I've got a couple more I can check out... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecgtheow Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 On 01/06/2021 at 21:50, Tony Wright said: Some more (rather splendid) new books in for review................. Fascinating. A new 'standard work' on the subject. Rather good. I proof read this and suggested captions. And, I did the same for this. Good morning Tony, Where will your review of the book on the first 25 years of BR in North Wales, Chester & the Wirral be published? I ask because like you it was my stomping ground having been born & brought up In Bebington & later lived for a short time in Chester. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 46 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Would I be correct in thinking that train reversed at Manchester Central having arrived in off the CLC route, then took the Fallowfield loop to Guide Bridge where it would have handed over to electric traction? Two loco changes within 10 miles / 20 mins of each other! I've had a look in a couple of my Manchester-centric books. No luck so far but I've got a couple more I can check out... Correct. Two carriages added at Manchester Central and two more including buffet added at Sheffield Victoria. Thanks for looking. I have not had any luck so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 12 hours ago, PMP said: Both those types are available from MJT if I remember correctly, so they’d be a reasonably straightforward replacement if the Bachmann one is irreparable. Replica Model Railways are also likely to have a Mk1 gangway available as a spare. Indeed they are. I have used MJT ones on Retford but they were out of stock recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2021 Hello Robert There is photo of the loco and first carriage at Sheffield Victoria 1954 in the book Steam Around Sheffeld, Mike Hitches. The boards cannot be read in the printed book, but the photo is credited to B Green - perhaps Brian Green of SRRS? Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 52 minutes ago, BMacdermott said: Hello Robert There is photo of the loco and first carriage at Sheffield Victoria 1954 in the book Steam Around Sheffeld, Mike Hitches. The boards cannot be read in the printed book, but the photo is credited to B Green - perhaps Brian Green of SRRS? Brian Unfortunately no longer in SRRS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) Hello Robert Colin (last name escapes me!) of Stony Stratford used to have some involvement with his photos. I can't recall if he was SRRS or Mangotsfield Railway Circle. Memory kicked in: Colin Stacey! Brian Edited June 3, 2021 by BMacdermott Added name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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