RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted August 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2021 7 hours ago, Tom F said: I've attached a couple of photos for Tony and others, but more can be found in my thread. Amazing. I was flicking down the page and noticed the top photo. Did a double take and had to go to read the thread. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted August 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) Hello Tony, I've just seen this on ebay - try not to laugh..... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203574431336?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=0211d163609344d59f1d8e5bbf08c13d&bu=43044892600&ut=RU&osub=-1~1&crd=20210820101425&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid Kind Regards, Brian Edited August 20, 2021 by polybear 1 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted August 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2021 Cheap set of instructions, with a very expensive box.... I doubt that they are that collectable, although if that is the price for kit number 145, I wonder what the price is of my kit number 001? (I think mine might be the original limited run, as it is in the earlier red box that they originally used... I've also got another red box one with a higher number too... I'm sitting on a gold mine!) Andy g 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erichill16 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Tom F said: Thank you for your kind words Robert! I've attached a couple of photos for Tony and others, but more can be found in my thread. It has done my mental health the world of good over the past few months. On the back of the recent photos, Railway Modeller have asked to do an article. If anyone would like more information, please do not hesitate to ask! I am troubled with a certain coloured dog at times and was feeling it last night and through lack of enthusiasm I came across your thread. It has given me inspiration to try and do a bit of modelling myself so thank you. Robert 4 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 10 hours ago, t-b-g said: My approach summed up perfectly (although I do have models from more than one company, which ran together in the same places in real life). I would agree that doing those sorts of calculations is probably not a good idea. I have certainly never attempted to add up the numbers when it comes to costs or to time remaining. I once had a conversation with a friend who was nearing his mid 70s and who had nearly finished a layout which had taken him around 15 years to construct. He was telling me about his next two layout plans, each of which was as big, or bigger, than the one nearly completed. I suggested that he would need at least another 30 years of modelling time left to build them but I felt bad about it afterwards. It was as if I had poured cold water on his project. It comes down to whether you really want to complete your "layout of a lifetime" project or do you model because you enjoy the journey to get there? If you do have a "layout of a lifetime" project and you finish it, what do you do next? Good evening Tony, 'If you do have a "layout of a lifetime" project and you finish it, what do you do next?' Build more locos! Regards, Tony. 4 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 Just to report that several locos from the current collection sold today (thanks Geoff, George and David). That only leaves a few which I'll highlight next week. On a totally unrelated subject, I wonder how many folk are owned by cats which bring mice in (unharmed) and let them then run free behind cupboards/bookshelves? Thanks Geoff and David for your removal men skills and ability to nab the little blighters. The cat? She just slept through it all! 1 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrg1 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 3 hours ago, polybear said: Hello Tony, I've just seen this on ebay - try not to laugh..... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203574431336?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=0211d163609344d59f1d8e5bbf08c13d&bu=43044892600&ut=RU&osub=-1~1&crd=20210820101425&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid Kind Regards, Brian Great for keeping slices of Charles and Di wedding cake in 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 G'day Folks I have a 'Layout of a Lifetime' which I tried to build but 13ft wasn't enough, 'Holme' just south of Peterborough, and I included the Ramsey branch as well, I'm sure 30ft would be enough, maybe 'one day'. Terry (aka manna) 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 13 hours ago, Erichill16 said: I am troubled with a certain coloured dog at times and was feeling it last night and through lack of enthusiasm I came across your thread. It has given me inspiration to try and do a bit of modelling myself so thank you. Robert Well, I'm glad in a small way my layout and thread have helped Robert! 'Dry Rails and Good Running' 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted August 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2021 I owned a boat, a few years ago. Within the boating community, it was a recognised phenomenon that people often wanted a bigger and bigger boat, until they got one that was too big for them to easily handle, or too expensive to keep/maintain. I think model railways may be similar? My railway room is 16 feet by 11, I would like something bigger but I must admit that for a single builder/modeller/operator, it is a nice size to work within... albeit with one exception: The main problem I have found is regarding the fiddle yard, they just take up so much of the available space, especially if modelling a main line. But if you don’t have one big enough, it really limits your layout’s operating potential! For my own layout, to run anything like the prototype, I need at least 14 different trains in each direction... requiring the same size again as the model itself, which is impossible within my available space unless I introduce different levels and undesired gradients. It is this that keeps bringing my mind back to a desire for something bigger. Is there anyone out here who who thinks they have gone ‘over the top’ and taken on something too big? 4 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, Chamby said: Is there anyone out here who who thinks they have gone ‘over the top’ and taken on something too big? Ask me in five years' time.. 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Tom F said: Well, I'm glad in a small way my layout and thread have helped Robert! 'Dry Rails and Good Running' Your layout is a beautiful creation, Tom, It's an inspiration (and a great help) to everyone. Thanks for showing us all. May we see more, please? Regards, Tony. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted August 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2021 37 minutes ago, Chamby said: Is there anyone out here who who thinks they have gone ‘over the top’ and taken on something too big? Yes (but it'll be great fun trying) 16 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted August 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, Chamby said: I owned a boat, a few years ago. Within the boating community, it was a recognised phenomenon that people often wanted a bigger and bigger boat, until they got one that was too big for them to easily handle, or too expensive to keep/maintain. I think model railways may be similar? My railway room is 16 feet by 11, I would like something bigger but I must admit that for a single builder/modeller/operator, it is a nice size to work within... albeit with one exception: The main problem I have found is regarding the fiddle yard, they just take up so much of the available space, especially if modelling a main line. But if you don’t have one big enough, it really limits your layout’s operating potential! For my own layout, to run anything like the prototype, I need at least 14 different trains in each direction... requiring the same size again as the model itself, which is impossible within my available space unless I introduce different levels and undesired gradients. It is this that keeps bringing my mind back to a desire for something bigger. Is there anyone out here who who thinks they have gone ‘over the top’ and taken on something too big? The link between having a large fiddle yard and good operating potential is totally mythical. I have never seen a layout that is better to operate than Buckingham, which has a 6 road fiddle yard. Leighton Buzzard has kept me engrossed and entertained at lots of shows and has the grand total of 5 trains on it. Interesting operating is nothing to do with how many trains you have. It is much more about what you do with them. 8 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) Some interesting 'layout of a lifetime' thoughts. Thanks for sharing them. I suppose I've achieved my 'goal' in Little Bytham, though it's taken (so far) a 'lifetime's' modelling (near 50 years, and counting) for me to build the locos and stock required for it (not that I've built it all, but most - though not the freight stock). It could not have been achieved at all without the input of 'the team'; all highly-skilled modellers, in the main trading skills. Though its 'footprint' is 32' x 12', that isn't quite enough for a true-scale depiction - the main line scene is 14" short. Since every visitor only knows that fact by being told, I'll live with this compromise. As for the MR/M&GNR bit, well 'selective compression' holds sway. Has it 'worked'? I'll let visitors answer that question. It's certainly worked for me, and I derive enormous pleasure from operating it for and with guests. Without such friends, it would be rather meaningless. I think it's satisfied the original criteria.......... 1. An ECML prototype in BR steam days made (almost) to scale - in less than 30', in 4mm, a real struggle for realism in my opinion - I loath visibly-tight, right-angle curves. 2. To be built by an 'exclusive', highly-skilled team, mainly through the expedient of barter. 3. 'Built' being the operative word, especially with regard to the locos/rolling stock ('building' of the layout itself was axiomatic). 4. To work 'perfectly', with no derailments, stuttering, jerking and be rid of all the maladies associated with dodgy baseboards, poor track-laying, weak electrics and badly-built locomotives/stock; an impossible 'ideal', I admit, but (apart from my own dodgy operational ability), not far off (again, visitors must decide whether we've achieved success or not). 5. To have a least 50 separate trains to operate a sequence (even that total is nowhere near enough for a prototype ECML depiction in the summer of 1958). 6. To maintain interest, even when completed - as mentioned earlier, I still keep building locos for it. Any other criteria? I'm not sure, though I'll not be involved in the building of any more layouts. Edited August 21, 2021 by Tony Wright to add something 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) Fiddle yards aside, I think the question of "operating potential" is in itself an interesting one. I imagine that there are, among users of that term, those who mean totally different and probably incompatible things. Some are only satisfied if complete, complex, unfathomable interlocking ensures that every point and signal has to be set according to the real rule book or nothing on the layout will work. Some are not satisfied unless every move of a previously written sequence, derived from a real timetable, is executed precisely. Some expect the trains to appear thick and fast on a large, complex layout. Some expect all three of these goals to be realized. Having attempted to work in a team striving to do just that, with only just enough team members to cover "duties", I can only say that I find the experience of trying to entertain the public in that way to be tiring and oppressive - except on occasions when a prolonged failure or delay in another operator's section allows me a breather. I crave the opportunity to drive the sort of trains that interest me, with the minimum of complication, on the scenically realistic parts of a large layout, in a sufficiently relaxed way to have the chance to watch them properly myself too, not just to put on a show for the public with no opportunity to watch and enjoy it myself. Edited August 21, 2021 by gr.king Clarification 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted August 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 minute ago, gr.king said: Fiddle yards aside, I think the question of "operating potential" is in itself an interesting one. I imagine that there are, among users of that term, those who mean totally different and probably incompatible things. Some are only satisfied if unfathomable interlocking ensures that every point and signal has to be set according to the real rule book or nothing on the layout will work. Some are not satisfied unless every move of a previously written sequence, derived from a real timetable, is executed precisely. Some expect the trains to appear thick and fast on a large, complex layout. Some expect all three of these goals to be realized. Having attempted to work in a team striving to do just that, with only just enough team members to cover "duties", I can only say that I find the experience of trying to entertain the public in that way to be tiring and oppressive - except on occasions when a prolonged failure or delay in another operator's section allows me a breather. I crave the opportunity to drive the sort of trains that interest me, with the minimum of complication, on the scenically realistic parts of a large layout, in a sufficiently relaxed way to have the chance to watch them properly myself too, not just to put on a show for the public with no opportunity to watch and enjoy it myself. I have also operated layouts where it was more hard work and frustration than pleasure. It would certainly be a dull hobby if we all wanted to build the same layouts and run them the same way. I was looking at the lovely little layout that Tom Foster has been posting photos of and thinking that his layout and Little Bytham are getting pretty near the two extremes of the hobby in terms of layouts yet each gives satisfaction to their builders and to others. I think each of us needs to just decide what we want from the hobby and then build our models accordingly. If we want a fully interlocked timetabled layout worked to the real life rules then that is fine. If we want to see long trains running through a realistic scene, that is fine too. If we want a shunting plank with two points on a 4ft board, that is fine too. My only problem arises when people try to say that their version of the hobby is better than others. 6 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, t-b-g said: My only problem arises when people try to say that their version of the hobby is better than others. But it is - for them! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom F Posted August 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tony Wright said: Your layout is a beautiful creation, Tom, It's an inspiration (and a great help) to everyone. Thanks for showing us all. May we see more, please? Regards, Tony. Thank you Tony. I think it’s fair to say, I’ve never enjoyed modelling as much as I do now. Here are a few more. I'm awaiting more seafoam to bulk up the forestry. Edited August 21, 2021 by Tom F 34 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 The 'pile' of locos for sale is rapidly diminishing (a B1 sold today). Today, an interesting pair............. Both these 9Fs are modified Hornby ones. They're from the tender-drive days, though both have replacement white metal bodies on their tenders, which should aid haulage. One's an ex-Crosti and the other a Tyne Dock 9F. They are what they are, and I'm asking £60.00 each for them. Both run well. As usual, please PM me if interested. Next week, the daughters of the deceased will be receiving a nice fat cheque! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 Another one. A rather nice DJH Britannia, built/painted by Ray Lightfoot. It runs well, and is very powerful. However, it doesn't have a Portescap or a can motor/gearbox. It has an MW005 (the motor of its day). I'm asking £175.00 for this. If interested, please PM me. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chamby said: I owned a boat, a few years ago. Within the boating community, it was a recognised phenomenon that people often wanted a bigger and bigger boat, until they got one that was too big for them to easily handle, or too expensive to keep/maintain. I think model railways may be similar? My railway room is 16 feet by 11, I would like something bigger but I must admit that for a single builder/modeller/operator, it is a nice size to work within... albeit with one exception: The main problem I have found is regarding the fiddle yard, they just take up so much of the available space, especially if modelling a main line. But if you don’t have one big enough, it really limits your layout’s operating potential! For my own layout, to run anything like the prototype, I need at least 14 different trains in each direction... requiring the same size again as the model itself, which is impossible within my available space unless I introduce different levels and undesired gradients. It is this that keeps bringing my mind back to a desire for something bigger. Is there anyone out here who who thinks they have gone ‘over the top’ and taken on something too big? Good afternoon Chamby, As I model the same time period and a location a few hundred yards away from LC, I would be interested to know what your choice of the fourteen trains would be in each direction? I know what my sixteen would be, though it would require quite a bit of rethinking due to the large amount of extra movements required at LC. Edited August 21, 2021 by Headstock change No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold zr2498 Posted August 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Some interesting 'layout of a lifetime' thoughts. Thanks for sharing them. I suppose I've achieved my 'goal' in Little Bytham, though it's taken (so far) a 'lifetime's' modelling (near 50 years, and counting) for me to build the locos and stock required for it (not that I've built it all, but most - though not the freight stock). It could not have been achieved at all without the input of 'the team'; all highly-skilled modellers, in the main trading skills. Though its 'footprint' is 32' x 12', that isn't quite enough for a true-scale depiction - the main line scene is 14" short. Since every visitor only knows that fact by being told, I'll live with this compromise. As for the MR/M&GNR bit, well 'selective compression' holds sway. Has it 'worked'? I'll let visitors answer that question. It's certainly worked for me, and I derive enormous pleasure from operating it for and with guests. Without such friends, it would be rather meaningless. I think it's satisfied the original criteria.......... 1. An ECML prototype in BR steam days made (almost) to scale - in less than 30', in 4mm, a real struggle for realism in my opinion - I loath visibly-tight, right-angle curves. 2. To be built by an 'exclusive', highly-skilled team, mainly through the expedient of barter. 3. 'Built' being the operative word, especially with regard to the locos/rolling stock ('building' of the layout itself was axiomatic). 4. To work 'perfectly', with no derailments, stuttering, jerking and be rid of all the maladies associated with dodgy baseboards, poor track-laying, weak electrics and badly-built locomotives/stock; an impossible 'ideal', I admit, but (apart from my own dodgy operational ability), not far off (again, visitors must decide whether we've achieved success or not). 5. To have a least 50 separate trains to operate a sequence (even that total is nowhere near enough for a prototype ECML depiction in the summer of 1958). 6. To maintain interest, even when completed - as mentioned earlier, I still keep building locos for it. Any other criteria? I'm not sure, though I'll not be involved in the building of any more layouts. Tony Perhaps not on your original list of criteria, but an additional achievement has been to share your layout with others (visitors and U-tube), giving plenty of inspiration and enjoyment. Thanks 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Tom F said: Thank you Tony. I think it’s fair to say, I’ve never enjoyed modelling as much as I do now. Here are a few more. I'm awaiting more seafoam to bulk up the forestry. Lovely modelling Tom 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowanj Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) Has anyone built, or is building, any of the kits sold in Tony' s first sale? I got a Falcon Brass N15, and the build is "interesting", to say the least, but also enjoyable. How I'm getting on starts here. https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/105990-building-br-ex-lner-from-kits/page/52/ Edited August 21, 2021 by rowanj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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