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[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

Unnecessary quotation marks around every name and class is a bugbear of mine. Especially when you are dealing with a subject that has a lot of them where it makes it hard to read. Magazines are the worst offenders.

 

"A3", "Castle Class", "King", "Hogwarts Castle", "Flying Scotsman", "Austerity", "Streak", etc. Those just from a quick glance at the current Steam Railway.

 

 

 

Jason

It's tricky sometimes Jason, how to present such things.

 

I never put LNER loco classifications in inverted commas, but tend to with things like 'Duchesses'. 

 

As for actual names, I either write them in italics (BRM-style) or in capitals (Irwell-style).

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Roger Sunderland]

Talking of B1 tender wheels. I believe they were 3’8” discs. Does anybody have a set of 3 as, as far as I can tell, Markits don’t do them and Gibson don’t either at present?

[Tony Wright]

2 hours ago, robertcwp said:

I had not given much thought to LNER tender wheels until reading the recent posts on this thread. Today, I received a copy of Peter Tuffrey's new book on B1s. I have only had a fairly quick look through but could not see any photos that clearly showed spoked tender wheels, nor any that were very clearly disc wheels. What did B1 tenders have?

 

It does seem very odd for Bachmann to have changed from disc wheels to spoked on the V2 if discs are correct, but perhaps they just used some wheels from their pacific tenders that were to hand when they put together the pre-production sample that Tony tested a while back? For the price, it's something they should get right.

I think it's safe to say that most (if not all?) B1s would have tenders with disc wheels.

 

Like these..............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Granted, it is very difficult to tell from most images, but I've yet to find a B1 tender with spoked wheels.

 

Please (all) observe copyright restrictions on the images above.

 

I'm still trying to find an image of a prototype V2 tender with spoked wheels

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

[Bucoops]

7 minutes ago, Roger Sunderland said:

Talking of B1 tender wheels. I believe they were 3’8” discs. Does anybody have a set of 3 as, as far as I can tell, Markits don’t do them and Gibson don’t either at present?

 

The Markits catalogue lists 14mm and 16mm disks - If my maths is correct then 3'8" should be a smidge under 15mm - so would 14mm coach wheels work?

[Tony Wright]

10 minutes ago, Roger Sunderland said:

Talking of B1 tender wheels. I believe they were 3’8” discs. Does anybody have a set of 3 as, as far as I can tell, Markits don’t do them and Gibson don’t either at present?

Good afternoon Roger,

 

According to the RCTS, the GS tenders behind the B1s had 3' 9" disc wheels (the same as on the V2s).

 

I'm afraid to admit to fudging such things on the models I've made. Depending on how the tender rides, I've either used 14mm discs or 16mm discs, hoping folk won't notice (nobody has, yet). 

 

As can be see from the real images in my last post, the wheels are difficult to see, anyway.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[65179]

5 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

I think it's safe to say that most (if not all?) B1s would have tenders with disc wheels.

 

Like these..............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Granted, it is very difficult to tell from most images, but I've yet to find a B1 tender with spoked wheels.

 

Please (all) observe copyright restrictions on the images above.

 

I'm still trying to find an image of a prototype V2 tender with spoked wheels

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Looking at Yeadon, 61001 and 61009 had them for starters. Doncaster managed to swap around the disc/spoked tender wheels on some LNER built 8Fs/O6s with the non-LNER built ones within a year or two of building. If that happened in that small fleet then caution is needed when dealing with larger classes.

 

Simon

[MarkC]

12 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good afternoon Roger,

 

According to the RCTS, the GS tenders behind the B1s had 3' 9" disc wheels (the same as on the V2s).

 

I'm afraid to admit to fudging such things on the models I've made. Depending on how the tender rides, I've either used 14mm discs or 16mm discs, hoping folk won't notice (nobody has, yet). 

 

As can be see from the real images in my last post, the wheels are difficult to see, anyway.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Using 14mm discs, they're probably pretty much correct across the flanges anyway in OO/EM.

 

That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it! 

[t-b-g]

1 hour ago, PMP said:

I went two Retford yesterday two pick up a locomotive from Sir, and two shew sum Dinghams working.

 

 

While i was, their @t-b-ghad his Valour running pulling a fourteen car train really well.

This won from won of Tony’s estate sails, has found a good home. It’s going to be an interesting makeover project. (Its hard work writing this bad  )

 

Anybody spot that "Valour" has the wrong tender wheels? 12 spoke instead of 13. If anybody knows where I can get some nice 13 spoke tender wheels suitable for EM gauge, I will be happy to alter it.

 

It did well with the big train on the level but couldn't quite manage the curve and the small hump where the GN crosses the GCR fiddle yard.

 

There is plenty of room for more weight. It is still at the testing and proving trials stage, so it isn't the finished article just yet. I always wanted it to be able to pull the heaviest trains round Retford but I just didn't know when to stop adding lead. There is little point in adding more than is necessary. Now I know more is needed, I will add some and hopefully succeed fully next time.

[robertcwp]

24 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

I think it's safe to say that most (if not all?) B1s would have tenders with disc wheels.

 

Like these..............

 

 

Granted, it is very difficult to tell from most images, but I've yet to find a B1 tender with spoked wheels.

 

Please (all) observe copyright restrictions on the images above.

 

I'm still trying to find an image of a prototype V2 tender with spoked wheels

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

My two Hornby B1s are boxed away at present so I can't check whether they have spoked or disc tender wheels.

[zr2498]

I am reminded of the Elvis Presley "disc", Love Me "Tender"

 

 

[Porcy Mane]

46 minutes ago, Bucoops said:

The Markits catalogue lists 14mm and 16mm disks - If my maths is correct then 3'8" should be a smidge under 15mm - so would 14mm coach wheels work?

 

20 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Am I being too picky? I have a thing about the right wheels.

 

45 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

I'm afraid to admit to fudging such things on the models I've made. Depending on how the tender rides, I've either used 14mm discs or 16mm discs, hoping folk won't notice (nobody has, yet). 

 

Hmmmmmmm.

 

Also available in OO.  ½" tyre wear. Seems like a reasonable compromise to me.

 

 

P

[MikeParkin65]

1 hour ago, Roger Sunderland said:

Talking of B1 tender wheels. I believe they were 3’8” discs. Does anybody have a set of 3 as, as far as I can tell, Markits don’t do them and Gibson don’t either at present?

There's a box full of them at the Bachmann factory that they are going to fit to the tenders of the 'Precedents'  

[Roger Sunderland]

I’d have liked to fit the Gibson 3’8” discs but can’t get them for love or money. Second choice was 14mm disc wheels, which I have, so it looks like they will do.

[Roger Sunderland]

1 hour ago, robertcwp said:

My two Hornby B1s are boxed away at present so I can't check whether they have spoked or disc tender wheels.

My Hornby B1 has wonderfully accurate disc tender wheels.

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, t-b-g said:

 

Anybody spot that "Valour" has the wrong tender wheels? 12 spoke instead of 13. If anybody knows where I can get some nice 13 spoke tender wheels suitable for EM gauge, I will be happy to alter it.

 

It did well with the big train on the level but couldn't quite manage the curve and the small hump where the GN crosses the GCR fiddle yard.

 

There is plenty of room for more weight. It is still at the testing and proving trials stage, so it isn't the finished article just yet. I always wanted it to be able to pull the heaviest trains round Retford but I just didn't know when to stop adding lead. There is little point in adding more than is necessary. Now I know more is needed, I will add some and hopefully succeed fully next time.

It looked superb Tony,

 

My compliments. 

 

I admire your intention to paint it in full GC livery yourself. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, 65179 said:

 

Looking at Yeadon, 61001 and 61009 had them for starters. Doncaster managed to swap around the disc/spoked tender wheels on some LNER built 8Fs/O6s with the non-LNER built ones within a year or two of building. If that happened in that small fleet then caution is needed when dealing with larger classes.

 

Simon

When I built an O Gauge Black Five for John Emerson, according to the info we had (the locomotive depicted as running in 1967/'68) the leading pair of wheels on its tender were discs and the other four were spoked! Which is what I fitted.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Tony Wright
to add something

[t-b-g]

1 minute ago, Tony Wright said:

It looked superb Tony,

 

My compliments. 

 

I admire your intention to paint it in full GC livery yourself. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

Thanks Tony.

 

It is certainly my intention to have a go at the livery. If I fail to reach a good enough level of finish I may bite the bullet and take it back to bare metal and let one of our proper painters do their stuff.

 

It is a bit daunting but I feel the need to at least give it a good try to see if I can do it before I give up.

[31A]

18 minutes ago, Roger Sunderland said:

I’d have liked to fit the Gibson 3’8” discs but can’t get them for love or money. Second choice was 14mm disc wheels, which I have, so it looks like they will do.

 

They seem to be available from here:

 

https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/wheels/4844b/

 

[Denbridge]

8 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

When I built an O Gauge Black Five for John Emerson, according to the info we had (the locomotive depicted as running in 1967/'68) the leading pair of wheels on its tender were discs and the other four were spoked! Which is what I fitted.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Preserved U Class No.1618 entered preservation with 2 spoked wheelsets & 1 disc set on its tender from Barry & BR. it ran on the Bluebell thus fitted for several years before overhaul.

[Theakerr]

20 hours ago, Woodcock29 said:

My understanding is the A2s were meant to have the flanged Cartazzi wheels provided but they got left out by mistake. Hornby will provide them if you ask for them.

Andrew

How do you contact them?  e-mail?  Thks

[sandra]

Tony,

It was nice to see you yesterday on your visit to Retford, I hope all the visitors enjoyed their day. The railway worked well apart from one broken tie bar.Tony Gee brought along this beauty which is going to be finished as “Valour” in full Great Central livery. Here she is hauling the up “Heart of Midlothian”. This train consists of 13 coaches and if Retford was completely flat she would have had no problem hauling this train. However Retford does have an incline on the GN main line where it crosses the GC fiddle yard. Considering “Valour” is made of brass I think she did very well to haul this train. Most of the principal expresses on Retford are hauled by locos made of white metal but some have plastic bodies but this only works if there is room to add extra weight such as on A4s. 
This is a new Retford locomotive 61464. This is a B16/3 I made from a very old DJH kit. This was actually her first run on the layout and she’s hauling an up fully fitted freight. She’s not yet quite finished, she needs weathering. There is a photo of this loco on shed at Retford in GN loco sheds Vol 2.

 

Sandra

[St Enodoc]

7 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Depending on how the tender rides, I've either used 14mm discs or 16mm discs, hoping folk won't notice (nobody has, yet). 

 

7 hours ago, MarkC said:

Using 14mm discs, they're probably pretty much correct across the flanges anyway in OO/EM.

 

That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it! 

I always go down a size, for two reasons:

 

- overscale flanges in 00.

- wheels get smaller after turning.

[Roger Sunderland]

16 hours ago, 31A said:

 

They seem to be available from here:

 

https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/wheels/4844b/

 

One axle only I’m afraid. I needed three but many thanks.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Roger Sunderland
Addition

[Tony Wright]

Having just completed my initial assessments of the latest Hornby Dublo releases from Hornby, perhaps folk might be interested in their abilities at hauling trains.

 

 

The Merchant Navy took 25 kit-built cars (mainly metal) with ease. Any more, and the plastic tender started to bounce under load. 

 

 

The Princess Coronation took 27, before its tender, too, started to display signs of distress. 

 

Were the (plastic) tenders weighted, certainly over 30 metal cars would be possible.

 

Just by way of a comparison, a couple of my kit-built Pacifics managed the same, but these two die-cast beauties are unsurpassed in the RTR realms. 

 

In case people think these are just 'staged' shots, I've taken some moving footage as well, which will appear in BRM. 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Tony Wright
typo error

[Tony Wright]

I wonder what this new O Gauge heavyweight from Heljan might pull?

 

 

To be reviewed soon in BRM.