pete55 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Evening all, Roy had two P2's. As T-b-g just said, the K's one, 60993, Roy built, or actually rebuilt as it originally belonged to "Chippy", a long time friend of Roy's who built quite a few of the baseboards for Retford. When Chippy passed away, Roy completed it, and it had another rebuild later when it needed a new gearbox. The other P2, Cock of the North, was the Hornby version, converted by me and also painted in BR green by Geoff Kent. And quite right T-b-g, my P2 was also a Hornby conversion painted in BR blue. I still have that stashed somewhere! Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted December 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, pete55 said: Evening all, Roy had two P2's. As T-b-g just said, the K's one, 60993, Roy built, or actually rebuilt as it originally belonged to "Chippy", a long time friend of Roy's who built quite a few of the baseboards for Retford. When Chippy passed away, Roy completed it, and it had another rebuild later when it needed a new gearbox. The other P2, Cock of the North, was the Hornby version, converted by me and also painted in BR green by Geoff Kent. And quite right T-b-g, my P2 was also a Hornby conversion painted in BR blue. I still have that stashed somewhere! Pete Interesting Pete. So it seems that two P2s were amongst the locos that didn't reach Sandra. I don't remember Cock O' The North at all. There was also another stripped down Ks P2 body knocking about on one of the desks in the railway room. I don't know where that came from or what it was intended for. I am pretty sure it wasn't 60993 as it had traces of LNER Green paint on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, t-b-g said: Interesting Pete. So it seems that two P2s were amongst the locos that didn't reach Sandra. I don't remember Cock O' The North at all. There was also another stripped down Ks P2 body knocking about on one of the desks in the railway room. I don't know where that came from or what it was intended for. I am pretty sure it wasn't 60993 as it had traces of LNER Green paint on it. That stripped down P2 is still there, Tony. I don't think any of it was Roy's work (it's not good enough), though it might be worth resurrecting. I'll ask Sandra. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Here are the pair of them with 'the mouse' on one of my visits. Mike Wiltshire 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandra Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, t-b-g said: Interesting Pete. So it seems that two P2s were amongst the locos that didn't reach Sandra. I don't remember Cock O' The North at all. There was also another stripped down Ks P2 body knocking about on one of the desks in the railway room. I don't know where that came from or what it was intended for. I am pretty sure it wasn't 60993 as it had traces of LNER Green paint on it. Tony, In the railway shed there is a white metal P2 which I think may have been built from a K’s kit. It looks like it had been painted in LNER livery but has been stripped back to bare metal. I’m sure Roy didn’t build it. It’s been built to OO gauge and rather strangely both of the middle driving wheels are flangeless. Furthermore it’s been fitted with very early Romford wheels with all the wheels on one side being the awful mazak ones. I’m not too sure what to do with it as it would certainly need new frames and wheels as well as a tender. Edited December 7, 2021 by sandra Spelling mistake 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, sandra said: Tony, In the railway shed there is a white metal P2 which I think may have been built from a K’s kit. It looks like it had been painted in LNER livery but has been stripped back to bare metal. I’m sure Roy didn’t build it. It’s been built to OO gauge and rather strangely both of the middle driving wheels are flangeless. Furthermore it’s been fitted with very early Romford wheels with all the wheels on one side being the awful mazak ones. I’m not too sure what to do with it as it would certainly need new frames and wheels as well as a tender. Hi Sandra When I built a Ks P2 back in the 80s and fitted Romfords I found they wouldn't fit unless I turned the flanges down. So I expect whoever built the one you have simply fitted flangeless to the centre two axles instead. Of course today with Markits wheels or indeed the later Romfords with RP25 flanges this wouldn't be necessary. I would have turned mine down by placing a wheel on an axle in the chuck of a drill and using files and emery paper! Andrew 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted December 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, sandra said: Tony, In the railway shed there is a white metal P2 which I think may have been built from a K’s kit. It looks like it had been painted in LNER livery but has been stripped back to bare metal. I’m sure Roy didn’t build it. It’s been built to OO gauge and rather strangely both of the middle driving wheels are flangeless. Furthermore it’s been fitted with very early Romford wheels with all the wheels on one side being the awful mazak ones. I’m not too sure what to do with it as it would certainly need new frames and wheels as well as a tender. I think the reason why it was there on the bench for a long time when Roy was around was that he didn't know what to do with it either, so you are in good company. Somebody gave it to him and he did some dismantling but otherwise I don't think it received very much attention at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted December 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2021 13 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Good evening Sandra, I think it was MONS MEG, but it wasn't numbered 60504. Was it 60997, or something like that? Unfortunately, I never took its picture. I'm sure Roy built it, but, like you, I don't know what happened to it. Regards, Tony. Tony, as recently as this weekend, you included a picture of 60993 running on Retford among the photo’s in your virtual exhibition article! It was one that Andy took. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarrMan Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 I have some old Peco points and point motors, unused for 30-35 years, and they are rather stiff. I have some (equally) old Electroclean and Electrolube. Is there any problem using them on the points and motors to try to free them, or is there another method that I can use? Also if I have to buy new point motors, what is recommended these days? Any help greatly appreciated. Lloyd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted December 8, 2021 Author Share Posted December 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Chamby said: Tony, as recently as this weekend, you included a picture of 60993 running on Retford among the photo’s in your virtual exhibition article! It was one that Andy took. Good evening Phil, Other than taking some pictures and shooting some moving footage beforehand, I had nothing to do with the setting up of the virtual exhibition. That's why it was a success! Regards, Tony. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grahame Posted December 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2021 Here's some more N/2mm building modelling that might be of interest - an art deco garage (based on the one in the village where I live) and mainly made from mountboard card. It's not finished, but here's a pic of development so far up to today when I had to go out for retinopathy screening. 14 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post great central Posted December 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 8, 2021 Hoping no one minds a small, but sort of relevant, diversion. Tony regularly says that he's not overly concerned or know what's going to happen to his models after leaving this mortal coil. Another club member has rescued the entire modelling output of his former step father-inlaw ( I think that's right). All military, mostly second world war I believe, but very nicely done. It includes several ships of various types and sizes, many planes both British and German as well as infantry and artillery. This was all going in a skip! As well as the stuff to be seen all the boxes contain more of the same, the German planes fill the top shelf of the club library. 10 2 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted December 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) On 07/12/2021 at 13:01, Tony Wright said: Good afternoon Charlie, Regarding Nu-Cast V2s, I have no problem in using them. They all go like stink and entirely look the part (as layout locos) to me. I've also made all mine for considerably less than a current RTR equivalent (painting aside). Of late, I've done some more. This one was started by the late Geoff Brewin (of Comet Models). I bought it from his estate, completed it (making a brass tender, which is less-lumpen), and Geoff Haynes painted it. Tony, Here are a couple of snaps that I took of the V2 as Geoff left it and as I tested it on his layout. Edited April 18, 2022 by 96701 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, 96701 said: Tony, Here are a couple of snaps that I took of the V2 as Geoff left it and as I tested it on his layout. Thanks Phil, I didn't take a picture of it before I completed it. I can't remember exactly what I did now; the tender was a bit 'wonky', so I replaced that, straightened out the cab, completed the handrails at the front, altered the valve gear (the cranks leaned the wrong way) and took off the frame-mounted guard irons (too early for Little Bytham. Wiggly pipes and odd details completed the job. Apart from a tweak here and there to get the running I demand, it's basically Geoff's work. Geoff Haynes painted/weathered it. I'm privileged to have a late friend's loco running on my layout. Regards, Tony. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted December 9, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) Yesterday, I had the great pleasure of a visit from good friend Graeme King. He's one of the most-inventive modellers I've ever known, and, true to form, he brought some his creations to run on LB and for me to take photographs. I'll let Graeme explain what these are and how they were achieved......... A pair of 12-wheeled Restaurant Cars. An A5 and a fascinating train. A D7. A J21. And a Stirling 0-6-0. Just out of interest, I staged this photo......... Two trains at least 60 years apart. Thanks for bringing these, Graeme. Edited December 9, 2021 by Tony Wright typo error 50 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) Thanks Tony, I'll add the relevant details to explain the origins of what's in those images in due course. Scroll down to find the relevant information. Edited December 19, 2021 by gr.king Additional info 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grob1234 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Fantastic images, thank you for sharing. Looking forward to Mr Kings description in due course. I'm expecting words like resin, custom, modified and scratch built..... 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 A mine of information below covering Graeme's superb work https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2443 I am truly grateful for Graeme's efforts in providing some superb conversion kits/parts over the last few years. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecgtheow Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tony Wright said: Yesterday, I had the great pleasure of a visit from good friend Graeme King. He's one of the most-inventive modellers I've ever known, and, true to form, he brought some his creations to run on LB and for me to take photographs. I'll let Graeme explain what these are and how they were achieved......... A pair of 12-wheeled Restaurant Cars. An A5 and a fascinating train. A D7. A J21. And a Stirling 0-6-0. Just out of interest, I staged this photo......... Two trains at least 60 years apart. Thanks for bringing these, Graeme. Superb models but I also spotted the hated RTR hook & bar couplings on the Sherwood coal wagon & on the non-corridor LNER coach & on Little Bytham too! What is going on? Edited December 10, 2021 by ecgtheow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 58 minutes ago, ecgtheow said: Superb models but I also spotted the hated RTR hook & bar couplings on the Sherwood coal wagon & on the non-corridor LNER coach & on Little Bytham too! What is going on? Good morning William, They're Graeme's models, not mine. Slightly tongue in cheek, I cannot dictate to my mates when they bring their models to run on Little Bytham which couplings they should employ. They please themselves. I admit to having used tension-locks in the past on RTR stock, but only temporarily until I got round to changing them; then giving the TLs away. Believe it or not, I have one or two 'barrier' wagons. These have either 'my' coupling at one end, with a scale shackle at the other, or a tension-lock and so on. I personally wouldn't use tension-locks, of course. They're hideous in appearance at best and are not always reliable. I suppose it's down to which coupling suits the the builder. In fairness, in tight perspective, any couplings in this train are invisible............. Apart from the missing one on the front, but this loco is work in progress. Regards, Tony. 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 I have some more locos for sale for CRUK. All have been professionally built (not by me) from brass/nickel silver, all have Markits wheels, High-Level gearboxes and Mashima/High-Level motors. They're all to OO Gauge. All run, as expected, really well. A scaled-down from 7mm Connoisseur J71. A Kingdom Kits J50. A Mercian J94. Kit unknown (maybe scratch-built?) Y7. I know two of the above types are available RTR, but they're made mainly of plastic. This is an opportunity to obtain unique models. I'm asking £185.00 each for the 0-6-0s (this covers the cost of the parts, but not a lot more), and £175.00 for the 0-4-0T. If wished, I'll glaze the cabs. Should anyone wish them to be weathered as well (for a further £25.00), then I'll ask Geoff Haynes to finish them off. Here's another loco by the same builder............... But this time, weathered by Geoff Haynes. You'll end up with a lovely loco and be supporting a very good cause. Anyone interested, please PM me. 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gr.king Posted December 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) Although Micklner has kindly posted a link above to a list that will give access to fuller details of origin and construction, I did say I would add some information on here regarding my models in Tony's recent photographs, so I will, providing that the reply-posting mechanism allows me to do it in the way that I hope. If it does you'll see the results below in my green italics. I hope Tony doesn't object to inclusion of repeat appearances of his pictures. As for those tension lock couplings, I offer no apology. Economy has almost always been a driving force in my participation in the hobby, and unlike the reputation of the armed forces (with their smart uniforms and quick-in-reverse tanks) of a certain Northern Mediterranean country I consider tension locks to have the great virtue of being cheap, simple, robust and effective. Even so, thirty years ago, when I had barely started to build rolling stock, I refused to fit or retain the original enormous Triang / Lima style of tension lock, but smaller versions were coming into use by Bachmann and Dapol, with the latter being cheaply available in quantity for the small trouble of writing to the factory. Even smaller versions could certainly be found, but not so easily as they later could, so a lot of my stock was initially fitted with Dapol tension locks. I have since switched as far as possible to three-link or screw couplings in the most visible places on the latest and best models, with the smallest tension locks in other places, as well as home-brewed coupling designs in some cases. I certainly don't think much to the appearance and cost of the "hallowed" Kadee, nor to its reliability unless fitted and adjusted "just-so", nor do I find myself attracted to the high cost and /or fiddly time-consuming self-assembly that goes with some exotic types of coupling that are also on offer, some of which still don't look anything like a traditional real British coupling. Returning to the matter of the older tension locks still fitted to numerous pieces of my stock, I simply don't consider it a high priority to use my time and money on replacements. They will continue to be used as they are, effectively having grandfather rights... On 09/12/2021 at 15:57, Tony Wright said: Yesterday, I had the great pleasure of a visit from good friend Graeme King. He's one of the most-inventive modellers I've ever known, and, true to form, he brought some his creations to run on LB and for me to take photographs. I'll let Graeme explain what these are and how they were achieved......... A pair of 12-wheeled Restaurant Cars. The bodies for these are made from a variety of resin components produced in home-made silicone moulds from masters that were either wholly hand made or which were adapted from parts of commercially available models. The sides for instance include only two styles and sizes of window, so I initially produced only one master for each window type, including a small area of plain recessed panel either side, before making multiple resin copies which could be trimmed and built up into full upper sides, Doors and lower panels were then added from adaptations of commercial items, and then (for strength and rigidity) the whole multi-part side was used to make another silicone mould in which as many one-piece sides as I chose could be cast, including suitable metal reinforcement pieces in the resin. Producing moulds for four different complete sides obviously took time, but they were quicker and easier after the first one. The bogie sides on one vehicle are modified 247 Developments LNWR white metal items, on the other vehicle they are some excellent 3D prints that Mike Trice very kindly produced. An A5 and a fascinating train. The A5 features a Craftsman etched brass body acquired fully built-up as part of a mixed auction lot over ten years ago. Too long in my maturing pile, it at last received attention a year ago when I tidied up various not-straight bits, replaced some fittings, altered the shape of the running plate around the lower corners of the tanks, built a chassis from scratch (mostly in plastic - yes, that's right) driven by two small cheapskate's delight motors (fitted nose to nose driving one set of cheap nylon gears). I then filled lots of spaces with lead and gave it a livery. The carriages, in the style of Edwardian GCR suburban and clerestory stock are adaptations of the old Margate Triang / Hornby short clerestories, with the fancy GWR handles and grab rails carefully removed and new scratch built roofs fitted, along with altered ends, new underframe fittings and "disguised" bogies. The vehicle purporting to be a clerestory composite has sides from the proprietary first class coach, so it represents some sort of down-graded item, although it matches no actual diagram. The much more authentic suburban full third is from two original brake-thirds, and the authentic brake third required parts of the GWR van sides to swap sides or to be replaced by a tiny bit of scratch building. A D7. The loco is almost all scratch built in separable modules, in plastic, and the ultimate intention is to make silicone moulds from these master parts then produce a limited number of resin copies. This test model also runs, very happily, on plastic frames, a cheapo Mitsumi motor and nylon gears. The tender includes the tank portion, modified almost out of existence, from a commercial version of a larger, later GCR tender. I wanted one or more class D7 as they ended their days on local services in my area in the mid-late 1930s. The original MS&LR locos were the company's first design that was free of Sacre's ideas, but it is not clear whether the design was mainly that of Parker (senior) or of Kitson's. Parker certainly had more built in slightly modified form after the prototype, and based a long series of 0-6-0 goods engines and 0-6-2Ts on the same plan, more of those being built by Pollitt and Robinson, along with enlarged versions of clearly the same fundamental 4-4-0 design by Pollitt (D5 & D6). Robinson standardized Belpaire boilers for the whole lot, Parker's locos originally having round-topped fireboxes and Pollitt introducing the first Belpaire version on an 0-6-2T. A J21. The body for the loco and tender in this case are 3D prints produced by a fellow modeller who usually goes by the web name of Paul_Sterling. The running gear is modified Bachmann SECR C class. I thought most features of the 3D prints were good, although I still chose to do a lot of careful scraping and rubbing down of the surface to eliminate evidence of print layers before I applied any paint. I don't trust filler-primer to bury significant surface imperfections without burying desirable fine details too, and I don't trust thick layers of primer or other paints to resist the tendency to sink some time after application, revealing the underlying defects. I also altered some features either to suit my particular choice of loco or to arrive at what I believed to be a more accurate version of the tender, and I added a variety of pipes, rods, brackets, rails, handles and so on. And a Stirling 0-6-0. This is the more complete (but not finished) manifestation of the model that poked its nose in on here a week or two ago, a Stirling 174 series "large" goods engine of 1870s origin. This model is mostly scratch built in plastic with a number of fittings in metal, although the smokebox, chimney, safety valve cover, cab, cab steps, boiler backhead and much of the tender are derived from old Kitmaster parts for the Stirling 8 foot single refined and modified to varying degrees, those parts being in principle capable of further reproduction in resin . The idiosyncratic buffer socket shapes were very kindly provided as 3D prints by an acquaintance with an interest in historic GNR modelling. This model loco also features a cheap Mitsumi motor, but just for once it is driving through a very slightly modified Comet 38:1 gearbox. The tender also drives, using yet another of those Mitsumis and my recurring theme of cheap nylon gears. The two drive systems were selected so that loco and tender would attempt to run at closely similar speeds, avoiding any inequality of load on the two motors. Both units are ballasted with lead of course. The leading six wheeled carriages behind the tender are examples of Bill Bedford's "Mousa Models" 3D printed kits. Just out of interest, I staged this photo......... Two trains at least 60 years apart. Given that the Stirling loco is a heavy goods type, and the carriages behind are a mixture of non-corridor six wheelers and two luxurious twelve wheeled corridor dining saloons, the assumption must be that empty stock is being worked... Thanks for bringing these, Graeme. Edited December 10, 2021 by gr.king Added info and text corrections 13 5 1 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drmditch Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) In defence of 'tension locks'. I agree with Mr King. I also make use of the 'new style' small tension locks. The reasons being:- Tight curves on my railway risk buffer locking. Hidden storage sidings require ability to uncouple with (cheap) self-made uncoupling ramps. Reliability, including reversing (goods/mineral) trains into sidings. I should also say that vestibuled coaching stock rakes only have tension locks at the outer (usually brake) ends. Between vehicles I use buckeye mouldings from Keen Systems. For tension locks to be reliable they must be:- Mounted at the correct and common height. Positioned so that the bearing surface (curved end) is just outside a line between the buffer surfaces. All vehicles are adequately weighted. The 'end swing' on long, fixed wheelbase vehicles must not be excessive. Such vehicles may need 'swinging arms' or some kind of drawbar spring. My locomotives not likely to haul trains tender first do not have front TLs fitted. I once frightened myself with a train of NER coal hoppers with three-link couplings which buffer-locked and derailed in the most inaccessible storage sidings. I was experimenting with loose coal as well! Obviously, it must be 'each to their own', but tension locks work for me, and I see them as part of a necessary compromise to allow the operating moves I want. Edited December 10, 2021 by drmditch 9 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 I've just learned that the Y7 seen earlier was built from a scaled-down Connoisseur kit. Also, that the nearside rear footstep on the J71 has been bent outwards slightly (the camera always picks out what the eye misses). It's straight now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecgtheow Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Gentlemen, What was intended to be a gentle dig at Tony after seeing tension lock couplings on your superb models seems to have upset you, which was certainly not my intention. For that I apologise. Of course tension lock couplings have the advantages you describe & as has been written many times on this blog "each to his own". In retrospect I thought perhaps rather stupidly that it would be a bit of fun to point out something on Little Bytham that Tony has written about repeatedly that he hates with a vengeance. William 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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