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Evening all,

Roy had two P2's. 

As T-b-g just said, the K's one, 60993, Roy built, or actually rebuilt as it originally belonged to "Chippy", a long time friend of Roy's who built quite a few of the baseboards for Retford. When Chippy passed away, Roy completed it, and it had another rebuild later when it needed a new gearbox.

 

The other P2, Cock of the North, was the Hornby version, converted by me and also painted in BR green by Geoff Kent.

 

And quite right T-b-g, my P2 was also a Hornby conversion painted in BR blue. I still have that stashed somewhere!

 

Pete

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Just now, pete55 said:

Evening all,

Roy had two P2's. 

As T-b-g just said, the K's one, 60993, Roy built, or actually rebuilt as it originally belonged to "Chippy", a long time friend of Roy's who built quite a few of the baseboards for Retford. When Chippy passed away, Roy completed it, and it had another rebuild later when it needed a new gearbox.

 

The other P2, Cock of the North, was the Hornby version, converted by me and also painted in BR green by Geoff Kent.

 

And quite right T-b-g, my P2 was also a Hornby conversion painted in BR blue. I still have that stashed somewhere!

 

Pete

 

Interesting Pete. So it seems that two P2s were amongst the locos that didn't reach Sandra. I don't remember Cock O' The North at all. There was also another stripped down Ks P2 body knocking about on one of the desks in the railway room. I don't know where that came from or what it was intended for. I am pretty sure it wasn't 60993 as it had traces of LNER Green paint on it. 

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24 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

 

Interesting Pete. So it seems that two P2s were amongst the locos that didn't reach Sandra. I don't remember Cock O' The North at all. There was also another stripped down Ks P2 body knocking about on one of the desks in the railway room. I don't know where that came from or what it was intended for. I am pretty sure it wasn't 60993 as it had traces of LNER Green paint on it. 

That stripped down P2 is still there, Tony. 

 

I don't think any of it was Roy's work (it's not good enough), though it might be worth resurrecting.

 

I'll ask Sandra.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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1 hour ago, t-b-g said:

 

Interesting Pete. So it seems that two P2s were amongst the locos that didn't reach Sandra. I don't remember Cock O' The North at all. There was also another stripped down Ks P2 body knocking about on one of the desks in the railway room. I don't know where that came from or what it was intended for. I am pretty sure it wasn't 60993 as it had traces of LNER Green paint on it. 

Tony,

 

In the railway shed there is a white metal P2 which I think may have been built from a K’s kit. It looks like it had been painted in LNER livery but has been stripped back to bare metal.
 

I’m sure Roy didn’t build it. It’s been built to OO gauge and rather strangely both of the middle driving wheels are flangeless. Furthermore it’s been fitted with very early Romford wheels with all the wheels on one side being the awful mazak ones.

 

I’m not too sure what to do with it as it would certainly need new frames and wheels as well as a tender.

 

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1 hour ago, sandra said:

Tony,

 

In the railway shed there is a white metal P2 which I think may have been built from a K’s kit. It looks like it had been painted in LNER livery but has been stripped back to bare metal.
 

I’m sure Roy didn’t build it. It’s been built to OO gauge and rather strangely both of the middle driving wheels are flangeless. Furthermore it’s been fitted with very early Romford wheels with all the wheels on one side being the awful mazak ones.

 

I’m not too sure what to do with it as it would certainly need new frames and wheels as well as a tender.

 

Hi Sandra

When I built a Ks P2 back in the 80s and fitted Romfords I found they wouldn't fit unless I turned the flanges down. So I expect whoever built the one you have simply fitted flangeless to the centre two axles instead. Of course today with Markits wheels or indeed the later Romfords with RP25 flanges this wouldn't be necessary. I would have turned mine down by placing a wheel on an axle in the chuck of a drill and using files and emery paper!

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3 hours ago, sandra said:

Tony,

 

In the railway shed there is a white metal P2 which I think may have been built from a K’s kit. It looks like it had been painted in LNER livery but has been stripped back to bare metal.
 

I’m sure Roy didn’t build it. It’s been built to OO gauge and rather strangely both of the middle driving wheels are flangeless. Furthermore it’s been fitted with very early Romford wheels with all the wheels on one side being the awful mazak ones.

 

I’m not too sure what to do with it as it would certainly need new frames and wheels as well as a tender.

 

 

I think the reason why it was there on the bench for a long time when Roy was around was that he didn't know what to do with it either, so you are in good company. Somebody gave it to him and he did some dismantling but otherwise I don't think it received very much attention at all.

 

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13 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening Sandra,

 

I think it was MONS MEG, but it wasn't numbered 60504. Was it 60997, or something like that? 

 

Unfortunately, I never took its picture. 

 

I'm sure Roy built it, but, like you, I don't know what happened to it.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

Tony, as recently as this weekend, you included a picture of 60993 running on Retford among the photo’s in your virtual exhibition article!  It was one that Andy took.

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I have some old Peco points and point motors, unused for 30-35 years, and they are rather stiff. I have some (equally) old Electroclean and Electrolube. Is there any problem using them on the points and motors to try to free them, or is there another method that I can use? Also if I have to buy new point motors, what is recommended these days?  Any help greatly appreciated.

 

Lloyd

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8 hours ago, Chamby said:

 

Tony, as recently as this weekend, you included a picture of 60993 running on Retford among the photo’s in your virtual exhibition article!  It was one that Andy took.

Good evening Phil,

 

Other than taking some pictures and shooting some moving footage beforehand, I had nothing to do with the setting up of the virtual exhibition.

 

That's why it was a success!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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On 07/12/2021 at 13:01, Tony Wright said:

Good afternoon Charlie,

 

Regarding Nu-Cast V2s, I have no problem in using them. They all go like stink and entirely look the part (as layout locos) to me. I've also made all mine for considerably less than a current RTR equivalent (painting aside). 

 

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Of late, I've done some more. This one was started by the late Geoff Brewin (of Comet Models). I bought it from his estate, completed it (making a brass tender, which is less-lumpen), and Geoff Haynes painted it. 

 

 

 

Tony,

 

Here are a couple of snaps that I took of the V2 as Geoff left it and as I tested it on his layout.

 

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29 minutes ago, 96701 said:

Tony,

 

Here are a couple of snaps that I took of the V2 as Geoff left it and as I tested it on his layout.

 

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Thanks Phil,

 

I didn't take a picture of it before I completed it. 

 

I can't remember exactly what I did now; the tender was a bit 'wonky', so I replaced that, straightened out the cab, completed the handrails at the front, altered the valve gear (the cranks leaned the wrong way) and took off the frame-mounted guard irons (too early for Little Bytham.

 

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Wiggly pipes and odd details completed the job. 

 

Apart from a tweak here and there to get the running I demand, it's basically Geoff's work. Geoff Haynes painted/weathered it.

 

I'm privileged to have a late friend's loco running on my layout.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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18 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Yesterday, I had the great pleasure of a visit from good friend Graeme King.

 

He's one of the most-inventive modellers I've ever known, and, true to form, he brought some his creations to run on LB and for me to take photographs. 

 

I'll let Graeme explain what these are and how they were achieved.........

 

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A pair of 12-wheeled Restaurant Cars.

 

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An A5 and a fascinating train.

 

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A D7.

 

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A J21.

 

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And a Stirling 0-6-0.

 

Just out of interest, I staged this photo.........

 

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Two trains at least 60 years apart. 

 

Thanks for bringing these, Graeme. 

 

 

Superb models but I also spotted the hated RTR hook & bar couplings on the Sherwood coal wagon & on the non-corridor LNER coach & on Little Bytham too! What is going on?

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58 minutes ago, ecgtheow said:

Superb models but I also spotted the hated RTR hook & bar couplings on the Sherwood coal wagon & on the non-corridor LNER coach & on Little Bytham too! What is going on?

Good morning William,

 

They're Graeme's models, not mine. 

 

Slightly tongue in cheek, I cannot dictate to my mates when they bring their models to run on Little Bytham which couplings they should employ. They please themselves.

 

I admit to having used tension-locks in the past on RTR stock, but only temporarily until I got round to changing them; then giving the TLs away.

 

Believe it or not, I have one or two 'barrier' wagons. These have either 'my' coupling at one end, with a scale shackle at the other, or a tension-lock and so on. 

 

I personally wouldn't use tension-locks, of course. They're hideous in appearance at best and are not always reliable. 

 

I suppose it's down to which coupling suits the the builder. In fairness, in tight perspective, any couplings in this train are invisible............. Apart from the missing one on the front, but this loco is work in progress. 

 

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Regards,

 

Tony. 

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I have some more locos for sale for CRUK.

 

All have been professionally built (not by me) from brass/nickel silver, all have Markits wheels, High-Level gearboxes and Mashima/High-Level motors. They're all to OO Gauge. All run, as expected, really well.

 

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A scaled-down from 7mm Connoisseur J71.

 

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A Kingdom Kits J50.

 

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A Mercian J94.

 

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Kit unknown (maybe scratch-built?) Y7.

 

I know two of the above types are available RTR, but they're made mainly of plastic. This is an opportunity to obtain unique models.

 

I'm asking £185.00 each for the 0-6-0s (this covers the cost of the parts, but not a lot more), and £175.00 for the 0-4-0T. If wished, I'll glaze the cabs. 

 

Should anyone wish them to be weathered as well (for a further £25.00), then I'll ask Geoff Haynes to finish them off. 

 

Here's another loco by the same builder...............

 

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But this time, weathered by Geoff Haynes. 

 

You'll end up with a lovely loco and be supporting a very good cause. 

 

Anyone interested, please PM me.  

 

 

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In defence of 'tension locks'.

 

I agree with Mr King. I also make use of the 'new style' small tension locks. The reasons being:-

Tight curves on my railway risk buffer locking.

Hidden storage sidings require ability to uncouple with (cheap) self-made uncoupling ramps.

Reliability, including reversing (goods/mineral) trains into sidings.

 

I should also say that vestibuled coaching stock rakes only have tension locks at the outer (usually brake) ends. Between vehicles I use buckeye mouldings from Keen Systems.

 

For tension locks to be reliable they must be:-

Mounted at the correct and common height.

Positioned so that the bearing surface (curved end) is just outside a line between the buffer surfaces.

All vehicles are adequately weighted.

 

The 'end swing' on long, fixed wheelbase vehicles must not be excessive. Such vehicles may need 'swinging arms' or some kind of drawbar spring.

My locomotives not likely to haul trains tender first do not have front TLs fitted.

 

I once frightened myself with a train of NER coal hoppers with three-link couplings which buffer-locked and derailed in the most inaccessible storage sidings. I was experimenting with loose coal as well!

 

 Obviously, it must be 'each to their own', but tension locks work for me, and I see them as part of a necessary compromise to allow the operating moves I want.

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Gentlemen,

 

What was intended to be a gentle dig at Tony after seeing tension lock couplings on your superb models seems to have upset you, which was certainly not my intention. For that I apologise. Of course tension lock couplings have the advantages you describe & as has been written many times on this blog "each to his own". In retrospect I thought perhaps  rather stupidly that it would be a bit of fun to point out something on Little Bytham that Tony has written about repeatedly that he hates with a vengeance.

 

William

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