Wright writes.....

[figworthy]

1 hour ago, john new said:

Possibly for the same, or similar reason, that the island I live on is very often called Portland Bill, the Bill is actually the very, very, small tip of the Island & Royal Manor of Portland. The villages of Castletown, Chiswell, Fortuneswell, Easton, Southwell* and Weston, plus the other various sub-areas rarely get mentioned. The biggest annoyance to locals, the descriptions in folk mythology of sailing events for the 2012 Games, the sailing centre and base were not in Weymouth, despite what the media kept stating, they were situated on the Island as my photo below of the ******* flame confirms. (IP rights prevents use of the official word)

 

I suspect that to a certain extent, that is because the venue was the Weymouth and Portland National Sailing Academy, and the poor dears in the media are incapable of getting past the first word.

 

Adrian

[Tony Wright]

Why do I never learn to take my own advice? 

 

I'm retired, or so I tell myself. I still keep my hand in with work for BRM, the odd photographic commission/article for the other mags, and sub-contract loco building for Geoff Haynes. That's surely enough, isn't it? 

 

It's one of the privileges of my life to have so many friends visit Little Bytham. Occasionally, they'll bring some other friends of theirs (which is fine - more contributions to CRUK). Why then, when one of these other friends asks me to 'do something' for them, do I not (politely) say 'no'? Politely, but emphatically! 

 

Take this, for instance...................

 

 

It's (obviously) a Hornby A3 which I've turned into the unique 60097 HUMORIST. It was originally BAYARDO (complete with an A4 boiler, which is also correct for 60097). I've done it for 'another' friend. I'd met this guy once before (a pleasant enough chap), and he's very fond of A3s; so much so that he'd like to have every main variant in model form (in BR days). 'Would you mind altering this, please, I've provided all the bits?'. A simple 'no' would (should) have been the right response. 

 

Anyway, 'all the bits' weren't quite as they seemed. Until I started this conversion (yesterday), I'd not examined those 'bits'. The smoke deflectors are from Silver Tay for a Hornby (TORNADO) A1. What beautiful things they are, too, for an A1! There's no cut-out provided to clear the valve covers on the A3, and the handrails aren't the same; those horizontal lengths for HUMORIST being higher. I've also got an idea that they're a bit too long (does anyone do exact HUMORIST deflectors?). 

 

Anyway, too long or not, that's what it's got. I'm sure the chap will be delighted, but what a clot I am. Yes, he'll make a donation to CRUK (I hope a generous one), but to all future visitors to Little Bytham; old friends, new friends, friends of friends, when asked 'Could you do this, please?', the answer will be in the negative. Politely. Unless they're making/modifying something for themselves, in which case I'll help.

 

The owner is what I call (hopefully respectfully) a 'non-modeller'. By that, I mean he's in the hobby (and enjoying it) but he doesn't really make/modify anything himself; just pays others to do his 'modelling'. That's fine, he keeps others employed, and I'm certainly not a 'universal modeller' myself, especially when it come to high-quality painting. That said, is just the possession of something as 'satisfying' as having made/modified it for oneself? A question I ask frequently.

 

Here's another HUMORIST; definitely done by the owner...........

 

 

It might be Eric Kidd's, but I can't remember.................

 

 

[PMP]

47 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks for the clarification Paul,

 

Any photographs in the collection named as being at 'Markham Moor' I'll now refer to as East Markham (or Askham).

 

To be fair, the naming of certain railway locations quite some distance from where they actually are isn't uncommon. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

If there’s any labelled ‘Markham Moor‘ they’d be worth a closer inspection in case the location is ‘flexible’. I assumed the description originally to refer to the very southern section of Gamston bank as it goes into Askham tunnel, which is why it didn’t make sense with the name. I was surprised to see how far out from Markham Moor it was!

Regarding remote place names vs location, WW2 airfields are even worse!

brgds

[john new]

46 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

What, we're not allowed to call the Olympic Games the Olympic Games any more? What are we supposed to call them, then?

I worked for Weymouth & Portland Boro' Council (WPBC) during much of the build up period, many colleagues worked damn hard to get the sailing. Rather like in the Titfield Thunderbolt thread the name the IOC give their events, and even more so I gather their ringed logo, is very, very, heavily protected. No official local signage carries the O word, it is not allowed to do so officially. The officially sanctioned five ring statue was moved from the station forecourt after the event and is now on the Heights and visible from my garden. Of course the O word gets used in conversation; however, officially yes it is a banned phrase and heavily protected by the IOC.

 

As for the official name - it is supposed to be called the 2012 Games omitting the O word.

 

Yes the sailing centre does include the W word because it was based (when it was built for the games) within the former WPBC boundaries, that entity no longer exits as Dorset became a Unitary Authority and it is now solely within Portland, Dorset and with no official connection whatsoever with Weymouth other than the legacy naming.

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by john new

[Willie Whizz]

On 16/01/2022 at 17:49, Tony Wright said:

…

 

 

Banks/Carter tell us that [etc.]  …. I'm sure this is correct, but I'm highly-suspicious of this work, particularly in the captions where much is mis-identified. 

 

 

 

 

You may well be right. And it is, I believe, an opinion held by some that Mr Banks can be his own worst enemy at times. 
 

However, unless there’s another book covering the same or very similar ground in such depth which I’m not aware of, it seems that there is as yet no better source available and accessible to the general reader/modeller who doesn’t want to join or doesn’t know about the existence of a specialist society. 
 

“Honey”, said the cowboy’s wife “why d’ya keep a-goin ter thet thar poker game, when ya knows it’s crooked?”

 

”But honey”, he replies, “it’s the only game in town!”

[DougN]

Interesting Tony that you are learning a new word. "NO" usually the first a 2 year old learns but we all seem to suffer from memory loss as we get older.  Just ask any one with a trailer, truck, any good with hand tools. (or in my case good with heavy tools!!!)  We all try to "help" others. 

 

Personally my other half reminds me I can not do things for too many others as I run out of time. At work in my professional nature requires me to answer "no" to clients as they don't want to pay for the change etc. 

 

I agree with you Tony to say "no" as it is your hobby. Little Bytham gives you the enjoyment of entertaining people which you clearly enjoy!  Time for you and Mo' is the important thing. You can pick and choose your interest in modelling so do so.  The kit pile may reduce over time when the mood strikes! Though watch out for that Jesse bloke he seems to be able to convince you to do things for him! 

[St Enodoc]

4 hours ago, john new said:

I worked for Weymouth & Portland Boro' Council (WPBC) during much of the build up period, many colleagues worked damn hard to get the sailing. Rather like in the Titfield Thunderbolt thread the name the IOC give their events, and even more so I gather their ringed logo, is very, very, heavily protected. No official local signage carries the O word, it is not allowed to do so officially. The officially sanctioned five ring statue was moved from the station forecourt after the event and is now on the Heights and visible from my garden. Of course the O word gets used in conversation; however, officially yes it is a banned phrase and heavily protected by the IOC.

 

As for the official name - it is supposed to be called the 2012 Games omitting the O word.

 

Yes the sailing centre does include the W word because it was based (when it was built for the games) within the former WPBC boundaries, that entity no longer exits as Dorset became a Unitary Authority and it is now solely within Portland, Dorset and with no official connection whatsoever with Weymouth other than the legacy naming.

 

Bonkers (I was going to use another word beginning with B but thought better of it).

[Jesse Sim]

10 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Why do I never learn to take my own advice? 

 

I'm retired, or so I tell myself. I still keep my hand in with work for BRM, the odd photographic commission/article for the other mags, and sub-contract loco building for Geoff Haynes. That's surely enough, isn't it? 

 

It's one of the privileges of my life to have so many friends visit Little Bytham. Occasionally, they'll bring some other friends of theirs (which is fine - more contributions to CRUK). Why then, when one of these other friends asks me to 'do something' for them, do I not (politely) say 'no'? Politely, but emphatically! 

 

Take this, for instance...................

 

 

It's (obviously) a Hornby A3 which I've turned into the unique 60097 HUMORIST. It was originally BAYARDO (complete with an A4 boiler, which is also correct for 60097). I've done it for 'another' friend. I'd met this guy once before (a pleasant enough chap), and he's very fond of A3s; so much so that he'd like to have every main variant in model form (in BR days). 'Would you mind altering this, please, I've provided all the bits?'. A simple 'no' would (should) have been the right response. 

 

Anyway, 'all the bits' weren't quite as they seemed. Until I started this conversion (yesterday), I'd not examined those 'bits'. The smoke deflectors are from Silver Tay for a Hornby (TORNADO) A1. What beautiful things they are, too, for an A1! There's no cut-out provided to clear the valve covers on the A3, and the handrails aren't the same; those horizontal lengths for HUMORIST being higher. I've also got an idea that they're a bit too long (does anyone do exact HUMORIST deflectors?). 

 

Anyway, too long or not, that's what it's got. I'm sure the chap will be delighted, but what a clot I am. Yes, he'll make a donation to CRUK (I hope a generous one), but to all future visitors to Little Bytham; old friends, new friends, friends of friends, when asked 'Could you do this, please?', the answer will be in the negative. Politely. Unless they're making/modifying something for themselves, in which case I'll help.

 

The owner is what I call (hopefully respectfully) a 'non-modeller'. By that, I mean he's in the hobby (and enjoying it) but he doesn't really make/modify anything himself; just pays others to do his 'modelling'. That's fine, he keeps others employed, and I'm certainly not a 'universal modeller' myself, especially when it come to high-quality painting. That said, is just the possession of something as 'satisfying' as having made/modified it for oneself? A question I ask frequently.

 

Here's another HUMORIST; definitely done by the owner...........

 

 

It might be Eric Kidd's, but I can't remember.................

 

 

Could you please finish my D2? 
 

 

I’ll see my self out… 

 

 

Before I go though…..

 

 

A short video on the new layout now that tracks laid and wiring is finished!! 

 

[Tony Wright]

31 minutes ago, Jesse Sim said:

Could you please finish my D2? 
 

 

I’ll see my self out… 

 

 

Before I go though…..

 

 

A short video on the new layout now that tracks laid and wiring is finished!! 

 

Great stuff Jesse,

 

Great progress.

 

The D2 is in the queue. And, by the way, Bob Dawson has all the details for Woolmer Green signal box!

 

Regards,

 

Tony.

[Northmoor]

1 hour ago, Jesse Sim said:

Could you please finish my D2? 
 

 

I’ll see my self out… 

 

 

Before I go though…..

 

 

A short video on the new layout now that tracks laid and wiring is finished!! 

 

Where else will you get the juxtaposition of Max Max and Thomas & Toby posters?

Excellent stuff.

[Tony Wright]

11 hours ago, Willie Whizz said:

You may well be right. And it is, I believe, an opinion held by some that Mr Banks can be his own worst enemy at times. 
 

However, unless there’s another book covering the same or very similar ground in such depth which I’m not aware of, it seems that there is as yet no better source available and accessible to the general reader/modeller who doesn’t want to join or doesn’t know about the existence of a specialist society. 
 

“Honey”, said the cowboy’s wife “why d’ya keep a-goin ter thet thar poker game, when ya knows it’s crooked?”

 

”But honey”, he replies, “it’s the only game in town!”

Good morning,

 

It is a most-comprehensive book, and, as you allude to, there's nothing else like it out there. In fact, it is an invaluable resource for anyone trying to get their LNER/BR ER/NER/ScR trains correct. I use it frequently; I hope, without prejudice, though what follows might question that idea.

 

Regarding the work, the term 'hoist by one's own petard' springs to mind. Having had 'differences of opinion' with one of the authors in the past because of my somewhat 'cavalier' approach to modelling and expressing it in my writings (according to him), to find so many errors in the book (principally with the captions where on occasions locos are mis-identified, dates are wrong, trains' consists are made nonsense of, carriages mis-identified and types described which don't exist, makes me suspicious of the whole of the work). 

 

It's been mentioned on here before, though nothing should prevent anyone studying the LNER's trains and its successors' trains from making a space for it in their library.

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

Edited January 18, 2022 by Tony Wright
to add something

[Headstock]

31 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

types described which don't exist

 

Good morning Tony,

 

He he, obviously aimed at the average Railway modeler?

[Jesse Sim]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Great stuff Jesse,

 

Great progress.

 

The D2 is in the queue. And, by the way, Bob Dawson has all the details for Woolmer Green signal box!

 

Regards,

 

Tony.

Thanks Tony,

 

The only minor hiccup has been me blowing up my DCC system……

 

In the queue, how longs this queue 

 

Excellent, thanks Tony. 

[Dylan Sanderson]

8 minutes ago, Jesse Sim said:

Thanks Tony,

 

The only minor hiccup has been me blowing up my DCC system……

 

In the queue, how longs this queue 

 

Excellent, thanks Tony. 

How on earth did you do that?!?!?!

That must take some doing, especially with modern fail safe trips in the controllers!

 

If this means you're in the market for a new DCC System... the Digitrax DCS210 will be well suited for your needs 

[gr.king]

14 minutes ago, Jesse Sim said:

Thanks Tony,

 

The only minor hiccup has been me blowing up my DCC system……

 

In the queue, how longs this queue 

 

Excellent, thanks Tony. 

 

An excellent opportunity to install proper analogue control. Real electricity...

[Jesse Sim]

3 minutes ago, gr.king said:

 

An excellent opportunity to install proper analogue control. Real electricity...

We need an angry button @AY Mod

[john new]

9 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

Bonkers (I was going to use another word beginning with B but thought better of it).

Don’t disagree, in fact I entirely agree with you and your alternative B word, I was merely stating the facts. It is a big organisation protecting their IP rights to the max. As another example it is why the stadium in Stratford (London) now used by West Ham United is now named the London Stadium not the O etc., one.

 

Best get back on topic though, modelling to be done.

[Jesse Sim]

10 minutes ago, Dylan Sanderson said:

, especially with modern fail safe trips in the controllers!

 

 

Hahaha yeaaaaaaa

 

 

so, numb nuts over here forgot to re-install the circuit breaker with the NCE booster 

 

Annnnnnnd I got a short and melted the inside of the booster….

 

So I’ve been running trains temporarily hooked up how I originally had it with only the one controller instead of three. 

[Jesse Sim]

1 hour ago, Northmoor said:

Where else will you get the juxtaposition of Max Max and Thomas & Toby posters?

Excellent stuff.

Quoting someone on my own thread “this is the most rock n roll railway thread”

 

[60027Merlin]

13 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Why do I never learn to take my own advice? 

 

I'm retired, or so I tell myself. I still keep my hand in with work for BRM, the odd photographic commission/article for the other mags, and sub-contract loco building for Geoff Haynes. That's surely enough, isn't it? 

 

It's one of the privileges of my life to have so many friends visit Little Bytham. Occasionally, they'll bring some other friends of theirs (which is fine - more contributions to CRUK). Why then, when one of these other friends asks me to 'do something' for them, do I not (politely) say 'no'? Politely, but emphatically! 

 

Take this, for instance...................

 

 

It's (obviously) a Hornby A3 which I've turned into the unique 60097 HUMORIST. It was originally BAYARDO (complete with an A4 boiler, which is also correct for 60097). I've done it for 'another' friend. I'd met this guy once before (a pleasant enough chap), and he's very fond of A3s; so much so that he'd like to have every main variant in model form (in BR days). 'Would you mind altering this, please, I've provided all the bits?'. A simple 'no' would (should) have been the right response. 

 

Anyway, 'all the bits' weren't quite as they seemed. Until I started this conversion (yesterday), I'd not examined those 'bits'. The smoke deflectors are from Silver Tay for a Hornby (TORNADO) A1. What beautiful things they are, too, for an A1! There's no cut-out provided to clear the valve covers on the A3, and the handrails aren't the same; those horizontal lengths for HUMORIST being higher. I've also got an idea that they're a bit too long (does anyone do exact HUMORIST deflectors?). 

 

Anyway, too long or not, that's what it's got. I'm sure the chap will be delighted, but what a clot I am. Yes, he'll make a donation to CRUK (I hope a generous one), but to all future visitors to Little Bytham; old friends, new friends, friends of friends, when asked 'Could you do this, please?', the answer will be in the negative. Politely. Unless they're making/modifying something for themselves, in which case I'll help.

 

The owner is what I call (hopefully respectfully) a 'non-modeller'. By that, I mean he's in the hobby (and enjoying it) but he doesn't really make/modify anything himself; just pays others to do his 'modelling'. That's fine, he keeps others employed, and I'm certainly not a 'universal modeller' myself, especially when it come to high-quality painting. That said, is just the possession of something as 'satisfying' as having made/modified it for oneself? A question I ask frequently.

 

Here's another HUMORIST; definitely done by the owner...........

 

 

It might be Eric Kidd's, but I can't remember.................

 

 

 

Yes it is Tony!

 

It's still going strong back in home territory.

 

Re the correct smoke deflectors, I shall  check up for the source in a few hours time with Eric's Taxis now swinging into action as my wife requires me to drive her to some shops.

 

  

 

 

 

 

[Tony Wright]

14 minutes ago, 60027Merlin said:

 

Yes it is Tony!

 

It's still going strong back in home territory.

 

Re the correct smoke deflectors, I shall  check up for the source in a few hours time with Eric's Taxis now swinging into action as my wife requires me to drive her to some shops.

 

  

 

 

 

 

Thanks Eric,

 

Someone else must have brought another 60097 along to LB at one point, because this one has the earlier style of BR device...................

 

 

The deflectors on this one look very short in comparison with my conversion. Their position was governed by the outside steampipes.

 

 

The real real thing is right, of course!

 

I never saw HUMORIST. In fact, I only saw half a dozen Scottish-based Pacifics; thee A4s on the Elizabethan and a trio at Doncaster on/off works at different times. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Graham_Muz]

3 hours ago, john new said:

Don’t disagree, in fact I entirely agree with you and your alternative B word, I was merely stating the facts. It is a big organisation protecting their IP rights to the max. As another example it is why the stadium in Stratford (London) now used by West Ham United is now named the London Stadium not the O etc., one.

 

Best get back on topic though, modelling to be done.

 

The rights are protected from a commercial perspective and they are correctly enforced,  however private individuals are not prevented from using the word within speech or non commercial written form when in the correct context. You would be perfectly correct and entitled to caption your originally posted own picture as being "taken at the 2012 Olympics" 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Graham_Muz
typo corrected

[60027Merlin]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Eric,

 

Someone else must have brought another 60097 along to LB at one point, because this one has the earlier style of BR device...................

 

 

The deflectors on this one look very short in comparison with my conversion. Their position was governed by the outside steampipes.

 

 

The real real thing is right, of course!

 

I never saw HUMORIST. In fact, I only saw half a dozen Scottish-based Pacifics; thee A4s on the Elizabethan and a trio at Doncaster on/off works at different times. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

Tony,

 

This Humorist is the one I converted for a friend about 7 years ago and who last year decided to sell his stuff and offered it to Tommy. When Tommy visited you in September this was one of the models he took down. You posted this photo on here in September last year.

 

The smoke deflectors you fitted were, as you write, for an A1 and are longer than that fitted to Humorist years which were a “one off”. The length running along the foot of the deflectors is the give away as 60097’s is shorter as per the attached photo of the real thing.

 

I have just traced a spare set and will post them to you.

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by 60027Merlin

[Steamport Southport]

4 hours ago, john new said:

Don’t disagree, in fact I entirely agree with you and your alternative B word, I was merely stating the facts. It is a big organisation protecting their IP rights to the max. As another example it is why the stadium in Stratford (London) now used by West Ham United is now named the London Stadium not the O etc., one.

 

Best get back on topic though, modelling to be done.

 

Still called the Olympic Stadium in certain instances though.

 

Worth bearing in mind the park it's situated in is called The Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park and other football grounds don't have any problems using the word Olympic as their stadium name such as AS Roma or Hertha Berlin.

 

 

Jason

[Tony Wright]

6 hours ago, 60027Merlin said:

 

Tony,

 

This Humorist is the one I converted for a friend about 7 years ago and who last year decided to sell his stuff and offered it to Tommy. When Tommy visited you in September this was one of the models he took down. You posted this photo on here in September last year.

 

The smoke deflectors you fitted were, as you write, for an A1 and are longer than that fitted to Humorist years which were a “one off”. The length running along the foot of the deflectors is the give away as 60097’s is shorter as per the attached photo of the real thing.

 

I have just traced a spare set and will post them to you.

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Eric,

 

Last September? I should have remembered that, but the memory crumbles.

 

You're definitely right about the A1 deflectors being too long for 60097.

 

 

It's evident here, by about nine scale inches!

 

Part of the problem was I used what was supplied, altering those deflectors to fit as required. They can't be pushed further back because of the outside steampipes. Were it a 'proper commission', I'd have sourced the right type of deflectors, but I'll not alter this now; enough is enough, especially as another problem is that the 247 Developments' set of names/front numberplate has the wrong font on the latter, with correct Gill sans '6' and '9'. Not incorrect curly-tailed, as they should be. A case of what's right is wrong and what's wrong is right! 

 

 

Interestingly here, after 60097's last overhaul at Donny Plant, her worksplates have not been refitted.

 

This prototype shot also shows how 'thin' Hornby's valve gear is and the poor bogie wheels. Still, the base model is pretty sound. 

 

Finally, speaking of commissions, I wonder how many result in building/modifying something using just what's supplied? Normally, I'd seek out the correct details, but not in this case. 

 

Another thing I've noticed is that there should be a further handrail pillar. You know what? I wish I hadn't bothered photographing the thing, and just hand it back without saying a word! As I say, next time, an emphatic 'NO'!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Tony Wright
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