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School's Class ?    If it were the Class belonging to the Schools that should be Schools' should it not? However if Schools is the plural use of the word describing the Class is it not Schools Class?

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52 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said:

School's Class ?    If it were the Class belonging to the Schools that should be Schools' should it not? However if Schools is the plural use of the word describing the Class is it not Schools Class?

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You've got me, Phil,

 

Enough of grammar?

 

Speaking of 'Schools', as in the class of locomotive, was there ever a more-successful 4-4-0 to run in this country? 

 

This is mine (which has been seen before), built by me from a South Eastern Finecast kit, and painted (perfectly) by Ian Rathbone. 

 

Schools.jpg.e256f8d3c5e70716067add6f05c57e1c.jpg

 

Those who can't (or won't) build such a loco, there's always Hornby's offering - which is very good.

 

1846641925_HornbySchools01.jpg.5c37fc02bf6ef8303d2846b5ecbfdbb1.jpg

 

Mine has bogie splashers, though.

 

On a totally different subject, and a word of warning if I may.........?

 

As part of Mo's and my raising funds for CRUK, I was asked to make our donations 'gift-aided', which I did. That way (it would seem) the charity would then get 25% more on the donations. Except, because we've (foolishly?) put the monies collected through our joint account, the taxperson then assumes it's earned income, for which I'm required to pay 20% tax! I've now cancelled the gift aid, which seems a pity. Oh dear, not only have we been collecting money for a (most-worthy) charity, it looks like we'll have to pay for the privilege, back-dated (though or accountant is sorting this out). 

 

The solution is simple. I've requested a collecting 'tin' from CRUK. At shows, any monies made through my loco-doctoring or by donations or from our selling of donated models will just be put straight into that. Once enough has been collected, I'll just hand the 'tin' over to our nearest branch of CRUK, which is in Stamford. Sorted!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fat Controller said:

'The blame is mine', or, in the current demotic 'my bad'.

My French master once told my mother 'It would be better if Brian did Latin, as he's never going to meet a Roman'..

I was a consistent 24th out of 24, with the occasional 23rd, in my French Class.   I had similar consistent results in my Latin Class to the total exasperation of my teacher parents.  I gave Latin up 3 weeks before O level but scraped through my French O level with a grade 6.   The only bits of Latin I could  do were Roman History and Scansion of poetry.  

 

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@Jamie

 

If you were 23rd or 24th out of 24 in French, what on earth are you doing living in France? 'E eez fou!!

 

Cheers,

 

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16 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

You've got me, Phil,

 

Enough of grammar?

 

Speaking of 'Schools', as in the class of locomotive, was there ever a more-successful 4-4-0 to run in this country? 

 

This is mine (which has been seen before), built by me from a South Eastern Finecast kit, and painted (perfectly) by Ian Rathbone. 

 

Schools.jpg.e256f8d3c5e70716067add6f05c57e1c.jpg

 

Those who can't (or won't) build such a loco, there's always Hornby's offering - which is very good.

 

1846641925_HornbySchools01.jpg.5c37fc02bf6ef8303d2846b5ecbfdbb1.jpg

 

Mine has bogie splashers, though.

 

On a totally different subject, and a word of warning if I may.........?

 

As part of Mo's and my raising funds for CRUK, I was asked to make our donations 'gift-aided', which I did. That way (it would seem) the charity would then get 25% more on the donations. Except, because we've (foolishly?) put the monies collected through our joint account, the taxperson then assumes it's earned income, for which I'm required to pay 20% tax! I've now cancelled the gift aid, which seems a pity. Oh dear, not only have we been collecting money for a (most-worthy) charity, it looks like we'll have to pay for the privilege, back-dated (though or accountant is sorting this out). 

 

The solution is simple. I've requested a collecting 'tin' from CRUK. At shows, any monies made through my loco-doctoring or by donations or from our selling of donated models will just be put straight into that. Once enough has been collected, I'll just hand the 'tin' over to our nearest branch of CRUK, which is in Stamford. Sorted!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Bill's little blooper and not yours dear heart.

Those locomotives are just beautiful. I never saw a Schools in full cry, only standing in Reading West Shed and I think I saw one at Exeter Central just the once, however that might be my imagination playing tricks?

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The Southern Schools were super looking engines in my view. I saw a few but not enough. I was introduced to by a modeller who had lost his arm as a result of war service. He made it in EM gauge out of nickel silver and fabricated all the parts with his remaining hand. He used his false hand as a vice and soldering clamp as it was painless!

 

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50 minutes ago, Philou said:

@Jamie

 

If you were 23rd or 24th out of 24 in French, what on earth are you doing living in France? 'E eez fou!!

 

Cheers,

 

Philip

My teacher parents were so disgusted that at 14 (1967) I was packed off to live with a Parisian family for 3 weeks. Lovely 141R's pulled our train from Calais and there were 141T's at Gare du Nord. I then spent 3 weeks not speaking a word of English, went to a French school for 4 days, Scout camp for a week and ended up reasonably fluent verbally.   My written French is appalling but I came to love the country and the ability to have a conversation in French didn't depart.  I apparently only passed my O level due to doing well in the Oral.   At work I once had to authorise the detention of an Italian shoplifter (In Pontefract of all places) who was a former Legionnaire.   I rather startled the night custody Sgt by telling him to stand to attention and then explained his rights to him in French.  

However I have just been told that on of our neighbours has a lot of photos of our local station, that closed in the 50's, that he took in 1944, as he lived next door to it.  I will have to resist the temptation to make a model of it.  The station house still stands.

P7060648.JPGIt's a tempting thought.

 

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38 minutes ago, glo41f said:

The Southern Schools were super looking engines in my view. I saw a few but not enough. I was introduced to by a modeller who had lost his arm as a result of war service. He made it in EM gauge out of nickel silver and fabricated all the parts with his remaining hand. He used his false hand as a vice and soldering clamp as it was painless!

 

Martin Long

I would love to run the Schools with the Nelson tender at an exhibition just to see if anyone came and told me that was 'incorrect'!

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Can I ask a question to the forum regarding live brass chassis and current collection.

 

In 4mm, has anyone known a chassis to give poor current collection through the axle to the bearings?

 

Say if the bearings have plenty of oil or the axle fit is a loose fit? (Yes I know it shouldn’t be sloppy , let’s say well worn in). 

 

Just pondering before I order some Markits wheels, I’m tempted to go for insulated both sides and pick ups both sides.

Maybe less of an issue for a large loco running at speed to a small wheeled shunting loco?

 

I don’t have an issue with one particular loco at the moment. As I say just a thought as I’ve spent times at shows in the past cleaning wheels, track and adjusting pick ups to think maybe that could be an issue?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Philou said:

@Jamie

 

If you were 23rd or 24th out of 24 in French, what on earth are you doing living in France? 'E eez fou!!

 

Cheers,

 

Philip

Like me, he's found that nobody uses O-Level French in France..

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

The solution is simple. I've requested a collecting 'tin' from CRUK. At shows, any monies made through my loco-doctoring or by donations or from our selling of donated models will just be put straight into that. Once enough has been collected, I'll just hand the 'tin' over to our nearest branch of CRUK, which is in Stamford. Sorted!

 

 

Hi Tony,

 

If those donating (either at shows or when visiting) were to complete the attached form (perhaps you could have some printed off and available?) then Gift Aid could be claimed by CRUK if you then send in the forms with monies donated. 

Incidentally, Gift Aid can be claimed for an individual for any donations made during the previous four years.

 

HTH

Brian

 

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Tony - Regarding your photograph of "Blundell's". Is it my imagination or do the bogie wheels have a different tyre profile compared to the driving wheels? The bogie wheels seem rather wider and more toy train-like compared to the drivers. As a P4 and now 7mmFS modeller, some of the intricacies of 00 RTR may have passed me by over the years.

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Watched a recently up-loaded video last night called 'The Heyday of British Steam Vol 2'  Starts out with a section on the GC then moves to the ECML (lot of nice stuff covering Grantham) and finally a very short section on Settle Carlyle.  I found the section on the ECML most interesting in that it showed some very different coach formations behind what I loosely call Top Link Locomotives.  There were also several scenes showing colour light signals alongside semaphore in what I estimate to be between 1955 and 1960.  If you haven't seen it this is a link

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Arun Sharma said:

Tony - Regarding your photograph of "Blundell's". Is it my imagination or do the bogie wheels have a different tyre profile compared to the driving wheels? The bogie wheels seem rather wider and more toy train-like compared to the drivers. As a P4 and now 7mmFS modeller, some of the intricacies of 00 RTR may have passed me by over the years.

You'll really have to ask Hornby that question, Arun, though I think the answer will be 'yes'. 

 

Even the best RTR locos are let down by their bogie wheels in 4mm. I suppose in order to take tight curves, they have to be 'cruder' than the drivers, but many are just awful. In my own field, both Bachmann's and Hornby's LNER bogie wheels look like nothing fitted at Doncaster, Stratford, Cowlairs or Darlington. On the few RTR locos I have, they're the first things to be replaced.

 

To be fair to Hornby, on some models they produce (the most-recent streamlined 'Coronation' for instance), finer bogie wheels are supplied as well as the under-scale chunky ones - in their own bogie! 

 

Sorry I missed you over the weekend.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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1 hour ago, Michael Delamar said:

Can I ask a question to the forum regarding live brass chassis and current collection.

 

In 4mm, has anyone known a chassis to give poor current collection through the axle to the bearings?

 

Say if the bearings have plenty of oil or the axle fit is a loose fit? (Yes I know it shouldn’t be sloppy , let’s say well worn in). 

 

Just pondering before I order some Markits wheels, I’m tempted to go for insulated both sides and pick ups both sides.

Maybe less of an issue for a large loco running at speed to a small wheeled shunting loco?

 

I don’t have an issue with one particular loco at the moment. As I say just a thought as I’ve spent times at shows in the past cleaning wheels, track and adjusting pick ups to think maybe that could be an issue?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michael,

 

I've never had a problem with the current returning to the other rail through the wheels' axles and their bearings, even well-lubricated. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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On 25/03/2019 at 06:37, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Mike,

 

As for the Field Marshall; it isn't new, but has just been repaired at the tractor factory at Essendine. Believable? 

 

Back to trains, indeed...........

 

I went down early to Ally Pally today to photograph a layout for BRM. 

 

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John Smith's rendition in O Gauge of a 'might have been' SR terminus on the Kent coast in 1947. Very nicely done, I thought.

 

I enjoyed the show, chatted to lots of folks and was immensely gratified at the number of people who told me how much they'd enjoyed the recent LB moving footage. 'Are you going to do any more?' I was asked. We'll see. 

 

I drove down in my Ford Focus ST. What a slug compared with the car I was in yesterday as a passenger. 0-60 mph in around three seconds! Over 650 BHP, and that's the 'entry-level' McLaren. My face went through the back of my skull! 

 

Finally, may I please thank Pete Latham who most-generously handed over £100.00 to me today for me to send to CRUK? It was part of his fee for writing an article recently in BRM. Along with the generous donations yesterday from my guests, that means Mo and I will have sent £2,000.00 to the charity this year already. Once again, thanks to all. 

 

 

Well, as your assistant Director/Camerman I’ll be glad to help put something together in November. I shall work out a price and get back to you with my quote. 

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10 hours ago, CF MRC said:

Of course, Tony.  I blame it on predictive text and not checking.   This talk of Dexters could become very sinister...

 

Tim

 

I came bottom or next to bottom in Latin at school for five years. However, I remember enough to appreciate the joke. : )

 

With possessive proper nouns, such as Giles, what's the correct form? Is it Giles' or Giles's or a case that either can be used?

Quickly back to trains – Tony is there a story to your Schools Class Cheltenham, did it run on the ECML for a period, perhaps a loco exchange?

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26 minutes ago, Anglian said:

 

I came bottom or next to bottom in Latin at school for five years. However, I remember enough to appreciate the joke. : )

 

With possessive proper nouns, such as Giles, what's the correct form? Is it Giles' or Giles's or a case that either can be used?

Quickly back to trains – Tony is there a story to your Schools Class Cheltenham, did it run on the ECML for a period, perhaps a loco exchange?

 

 

I'm guessing it's actually a loco from the Charwelton stud. Cheltenham hauled an RCTS special from Nottingham Victoria and made it's way from and back to the southern region via Charwelton. It was used on a service train to make, at least part of, it's way home. There's a photo published somewhere but darned if I can remember where. 

 

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5 hours ago, jamie92208 said:

I was a consistent 24th out of 24, with the occasional 23rd, in my French Class.   I had similar consistent results in my Latin Class to the total exasperation of my teacher parents.  I gave Latin up 3 weeks before O level but scraped through my French O level with a grade 6.   The only bits of Latin I could  do were Roman History and Scansion of poetry.  

 

Jamie

 

Interestingly, I passed Latin O level, but failed French. 

 

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53 minutes ago, Anglian said:

 

I came bottom or next to bottom in Latin at school for five years. However, I remember enough to appreciate the joke. : )

 

With possessive proper nouns, such as Giles, what's the correct form? Is it Giles' or Giles's or a case that either can be used?

Quickly back to trains – Tony is there a story to your Schools Class Cheltenham, did it run on the ECML for a period, perhaps a loco exchange?

There is a story, Tim; a good one!

 

As Great Central has mentioned, it ran on the GC for a time in (I think) 1963. It took a railtour from Nottingham to Darlington in company with a Midland 4-4-0. Prior to this, Leicester men got to know it, and it was used on service trains between Nottingham and Marylebone. It was due to go back to the SR, but the class had no work on home ground, anyway (other members were being withdrawn or were withdrawn). For at least a further week (maybe two) it continued to work the semi-fasts. I'm told it was the best loco the GC had at the time. 

 

Thus, when WMRC built Charwelton, what better loco to build for it by way of something different? I also built MORTEHOE and CITY OF NOTTINGHAM, both of which also worked specials on the GC. The trio was used from time on the layout at shows, about twice a day each, much to spectators' interest.

 

I keep CHELTENHAM because I like her, though MORTEHOE looks like she's going to a friend. 46251 was built for a mate as a wedding present.  Of course, in the case of the two SR ones, there's nowhere for me to run them 'legitimately' now. CITY OF NOTTINGHAM sees service now (appropriately) on Hest Bank. 

 

With regard to specials, that's why I'm building CITY OF LONDON for LB. Even though when 46245 ran along the GN, in 1963, Little Bytham Station had been closed for four years and demolished, the rest of the infrastructure was complete. Anyway, it's my trainset, and Rule 1 will apply.

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

You'll really have to ask Hornby that question, Arun, though I think the answer will be 'yes'. 

 

Even the best RTR locos are let down by their bogie wheels in 4mm. I suppose in order to take tight curves, they have to be 'cruder' than the drivers, but many are just awful. In my own field, both Bachmann's and Hornby's LNER bogie wheels look like nothing fitted at Doncaster, Stratford, Cowlairs or Darlington. On the few RTR locos I have, they're the first things to be replaced.

 

To be fair to Hornby, on some models they produce (the most-recent streamlined 'Coronation' for instance), finer bogie wheels are supplied as well as the under-scale chunky ones - in their own bogie! 

 

Sorry I missed you over the weekend.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Thank you - That explains the seemingly larger flanges on the bogie wheels.

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5 hours ago, Michael Delamar said:

Can I ask a question to the forum regarding live brass chassis and current collection.

 

In 4mm, has anyone known a chassis to give poor current collection through the axle to the bearings?

 

Say if the bearings have plenty of oil or the axle fit is a loose fit? (Yes I know it shouldn’t be sloppy , let’s say well worn in). 

 

Just pondering before I order some Markits wheels, I’m tempted to go for insulated both sides and pick ups both sides.

Maybe less of an issue for a large loco running at speed to a small wheeled shunting loco?

 

I don’t have an issue with one particular loco at the moment. As I say just a thought as I’ve spent times at shows in the past cleaning wheels, track and adjusting pick ups to think maybe that could be an issue?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Michael,

I have some experience of what you've described.  You may be aware from my earlier posts to this blog that I never fit pickups preferring to build tank engines with split axles and frames, and tender engines using the American system - loco picks up on the nearside and tender the offside.  At one time I had a couple of models that started to run erratically and  eventually the problem was tracked down to the make of oil I was using which was acting as an electrical insulator  in the horn blocks.  The two models were stripped down, cleaned, and when reassembled an alternate lubricant was used (purchased from Eileen's Emporium).  This cured the offending locos and I have not experienced the problem again.  

 

I did start using Peco's Electrolube which would seem to be the ideal lubricant for my approach to picking up current, but I have subsequently been warned off using it by other modellers because I am advised that it damages ABS plastic centred wheels such as those supplied by Alan Gibson.   I'm hoping that this is untrue because all my models have plastic centred wheels and several could therefore be destined to fail in due course, but I have stopped using it for this reason despite so far not having experienced any problems myself.  You should be fine with Markit wheels but Electrolube is very expensive compared to normal lubricants and care must be taken not to get it anywhere where it can bridge across an isolation gap  because it will short out the gap.

 

Regards,

 

Frank 

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5 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said:

Hi Michael,

I have some experience of what you've described.  You may be aware from my earlier posts to this blog that I never fit pickups preferring to build tank engines with split axles and frames, and tender engines using the American system - loco picks up on the nearside and tender the offside.  At one time I had a couple of models that started to run erratically and  eventually the problem was tracked down to the make of oil I was using which was acting as an electrical insulator  in the horn blocks.  The two models were stripped down, cleaned, and when reassembled an alternate lubricant was used (purchased from Eileen's Emporium).  This cured the offending locos and I have not experienced the problem again.  

 

I did start using Peco's Electrolube which would seem to be the ideal lubricant for my approach to picking up current, but I have subsequently been warned off using it by other modellers because I am advised that it damages ABS plastic centred wheels such as those supplied by Alan Gibson.   I'm hoping that this is untrue because all my models have plastic centred wheels and several could therefore be destined to fail in due course, but I have stopped using it for this reason despite so far not having experienced any problems myself.  You should be fine with Markit wheels but Electrolube is very expensive compared to normal lubricants and care must be taken not to get it anywhere where it can bridge across an isolation gap  because it will short out the gap.

 

Regards,

 

Frank 

Sound advice, Frank,

 

For years, I used Singer sewing machine oil to lubricate my chassis, but my bottle (actually, tin) ran dry and I now use a German-made lubricant available from Hobby Holidays. Would you believe, my 'tube' of it also ran out recently, and, having chucked the 'pen' dispenser away, I can't remember its name. It's quite expensive, but very good, and does not damage plastic. It contains some of the stuff used on non-stick pans - PTFE is it? 

 

Electrolube? Though it is a wonderful 'electrical' lubricant, you're quite right about it potentially ruining the insulation on Romford/Markits wheels. The insulation between the tyre and the wheel's rim is a ring of the thinnest card; which is absorbent. Electrolube (which it's designed to do, as far as I know) will pass current. Thus, the card absorbs the Electrolube, and the wheel is (essentially) useless. I once had a beautifully-built DJH 'Crab' through my hands, lubricated with Electrolube (to be fair, flooded with the stuff), and all its Romford driving wheels were shorted-out. I believe Electrolube is best used for switch contacts and the like. 

 

As for any lubricants damaging plastic-centred driving wheels, I (obviously) don't have that problem, because I don't use them.  

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

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Latin?  I came second in my class of thirty students, achieving 22% in my end of term exam.  I’m not sure whether that says more about the teacher or our attitude towards the subject though.

 

Re: Southern trains on NE metals, I have found ‘football specials’ a source of prototypical interest, though rarely modelled.  Several photographs exist showing Bulleid light Pacifics on the GC at Leicester and Nottingham:  34054 34042 hauling Southampton supporters to Nottingham Forest, for example.  Looking up football fixtures for the years being modelled might give an indication of the possibilities.  Saturday workings, of course.

 

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40 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

For years, I used Singer sewing machine oil to lubricate my chassis, but my bottle (actually, tin) ran dry and I now use a German-made lubricant available from Hobby Holidays. Would you believe, my 'tube' of it also ran out recently, and, having chucked the 'pen' dispenser away, I can't remember its name. It's quite expensive, but very good, and does not damage plastic. It contains some of the stuff used on non-stick pans - PTFE is it? 

 

 

 

Hi Tony,

Here's the 'Oils' page from the Hobby Holidays website:

http://www.hobbyholidays.co.uk/products.php?cat=152

 

- there is an oil containing Teflon (used on non-stick pans) but unfortunately no picture or brand name.  Could this be the one perhaps?

HTH

Kind Regards,

Brian

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