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On 23/08/2019 at 09:46, PJT said:

 

You're right, but I'd put it a little more strongly than that.  When you look closely at photos of Maindee East, changing the gauge is absolutely a non-starter.  I'd end up with half destroyed baseboards and a collection of very beautiful buildings to find new homes for and that's the very last outcome I'd want for something that I set out to save.

 

Contacting the Scalefour Society is a very good idea and once I have everything back here and I've found out exactly what I have bought I think I'll be in touch with them.  Lying in bed last night, I had one of those head vs. heart conversations with myself.  Much as I'd love to, I really can't keep it long term.  I have too many other commitments for my time and for me to leave it languishing untouched for years is definitely another outcome I wouldn't want for it.  If ultimately I can pass it on to an individual, an organisation or museum that will give it the future it deserves, then I'll be happy with that.

 

In the meantime I just need to get it back here before the auction house start charging storage...

 

Pete T.

While the Scalefour Society does not, AFAIK as a member, have any facility in which to store or display layouts, it is possible that one of the membership might be able to help.

 

Reflecting that maintaining a sophisticated and complex model such as Maindee East might be too difficult for most museums or or similar institutions (viz. Heckmondwyke and the NRM), it might be better offered as a diorama. In which case a location with strong GWR connections could offer the best opportunity to find a suitable home, such as Didcot or Pendon.

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5 hours ago, APOLLO said:

 modern. Leeds 1967, again unidentified 9F & a blue Sulzer type 2 double headed oil train - note the Midland water column.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_08/2013-01-09-20-52-35.jpg.d193ae222e13d26f82c9326102584e07.jpg

 

 

 

 

What a lovely crop of photos of one of my favourite classes as you can probably deduce from my moniker.  That shot of the oil tank train at Leeds sparks some grest memories. The working was Heysham to Hunslet East. I could just see the Line near Giggleswick station from my brothers bedroom. The train used to be 2 9F's then the mix as shown above. Occaisionally the all steam combination survived till quite late. It was one of the last steam freight workings through Leeds City station and from memory came through in late afternoon.  I can well remember the startled near panic on passengers faces as the two 9F's came bellowing through the east end of the station trying to get as good a run as they could up Marsh Lane bank to Neville Hill. This was great fun  for me while waiting for a train home.  By then the train was routed via Carnforth and Wennington after the closure of the direct route through Green Ayre.

 

Please forgive my descent into nostalgia.

 

Jamie

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6 hours ago, APOLLO said:

Nine Two'ers (as we called them), probably THE best freight (and occasionally passenger) steam locomotive Britain has ever made. Used to be tons of them around Wigan until late 67, when, like the Brits, they just disappeared.

 

Unidentified 9F about to cross over the WCML at fir Tree House Jcn (just south of Springs Branch) on a Long Meg to Widnes Anhydryte train, around 1966/7. She's coming off the Whelley loop (Wigan avoiding line) and heading for St Helens.

 

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Ancient and modern. Leeds 1967, again unidentified 9F & a blue Sulzer type 2 double headed oil train - note the Midland water column.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_08/2013-01-09-20-52-35.jpg.d193ae222e13d26f82c9326102584e07.jpg

 

1 July 1967 - loads of the dirty bu88ers on Birkenhead shed.

 

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Spotting mates surrounded by steam !!

 

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Again at Birkenhead same day with a clean readable number (a rarity). Ugly sod ain't she ?

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_08/2013-01-10-21-57-05.jpg.fd74e2b87b7a47c78f9547cf6ace02e1.jpg

 

Thundering north through a tatty Wigan North western on an oil train (undated)

 

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Wonderful, powerful locos.

 

I have a superb Bachman one and several Hornby loco powered railroad ones which pull well with extra weight in the boiler.

 

Brit15

 

 

 

Thanks for posting these great pictures.

 

My first year at teacher training college coincided with the last full year of steam operations from Birkenhead. On my twice-monthly commute by train from Chester (my home) to Ormskirk (where I trained), I used to pass filthy dirty 9Fs on the four track sections of the Wirral main line. Why did I not take any pictures?

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

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Great memories above. yes the 9F's were always very mucky, the only clean one I ever saw was Evening Star herself in Crewe works on 11 June 1967 just repainted for museum preservation.

 

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They always looked like "proper" locomotives to me, probably due to their smoke deflectors. Most of the ex Crosti locos (a fine Hornby model also) ended there days at either Birkenhead or Speke Junction across the Mersey. To me nowhere near as handsome as all the rest.

 

Incidentally when we moved house back in 1972 I decided my worn out Tri-ang TT days were over - I went "OO". My first loco was the then new Triang-Hornby Silver Seal "Evening Star". This model for running quality has never been bettered in my opinion. Tender drive yes but with traction tyres on all powered wheels, pick up from all ten loco wheels and two fine wires to the permanently coupled tender. The ringfield motor is powerful, smooth & quiet, and she will haul anything.  I still have (and run) her - 47 years old and still as good as when I bought her.

 

Brit15

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9 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

In between watching yesterday's cricket, I finished off the DJH A1 recently-featured. 

 

Why build an A1 when Bachmann makes one RTR?

 

 

 

Because you find model-making more satisfying than shopping?

 

Anyway, must go and have that brief surge of optimism about England's batting disappointed again (though I stubbornly hope not).

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3 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

In between watching yesterday's cricket, I finished off the DJH A1 recently-featured. 

 

I always leave the motion to the last!

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_08/333632541_DJHA16015704Bpanning.jpg.1adce0f5dc5f78f949253b0a98a675c8.jpg

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_08/1175837028_DJHA16015705panning.jpg.9fdecf3423630054354e33f6fd246bae.jpg

 

Perfect, high-speed (and slow) running from the new DJH motor/gearbox combo.

 

Why build an A1 when Bachmann makes one RTR?

 

I wonder why that question keeps being asked of me...................................

 

 

 

Looks quite excellent. 

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On 24/08/2019 at 16:15, APOLLO said:

Ancient and modern. Leeds 1967, again unidentified 9F & a blue Sulzer type 2 double headed oil train - note the Midland water column.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_08/2013-01-09-20-52-35.jpg.d193ae222e13d26f82c9326102584e07.jpg

The water column is of North Eastern Railway origins. That part of Leeds City was originally LNWR/NER joint.

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Leander said:

The water column is of North Eastern Railway origins. That part of Leeds City was originally LNWR/NER joint.

 

 

 

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Thanks - I stand corrected - and should have known better as I have a "Mikes Models" model of the very same. I'll make up for that for posting a going away shot of the previous 9F at Fir Tree House junction, rolling down the very steep (due to mining subsidence over the years )short gradient to join the St Helens line a tInce Moss jcn

 

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Carnforth shed - last day of steam 4th August 1968 and soon off to the scrapyard (or preservation ? - I don't know)

 

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Sad day

 

Brit15.

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22 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said:

Reflecting that maintaining a sophisticated and complex model such as Maindee East might be too difficult for most museums or or similar institutions (viz. Heckmondwyke and the NRM), it might be better offered as a diorama. In which case a location with strong GWR connections could offer the best opportunity to find a suitable home, such as Didcot or Pendon.

Pendon does not want or have space for any additional layouts, and I suspect that Didcot would not be interested, especially in a model that is not of a real place.

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8 hours ago, johnarcher said:

Because you find model-making more satisfying than shopping?

 

Anyway, must go and have that brief surge of optimism about England's batting disappointed again (though I stubbornly hope not).

 

Quite a finish! Some player that Stokes.  All I can hope is Headingley has collected the gate fees off all 250,000 people who will claim to have been there and seen it today!

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2 hours ago, Clearwater said:

 

Quite a finish! Some player that Stokes.  All I can hope is Headingley has collected the gate fees off all 250,000 people who will claim to have been there and seen it today!

Following it on TMS while sitting in a sunny garden was tense enough, it must indeed have been some experience at the ground.

I did love the transition from 'smash - another six' to 'hold on a minute, Leach is cleaning his glasses again'.

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2 hours ago, Jesse Sim said:

Thought I would share this here, I have been mucking about with my camera the last few days now that the stocks back on the layout, Please let me know what you all think, I'm not as qualified in photography as Sir is, but I think I've done an alright job of it. More on my thread. 

 

 

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You learn very quickly my young friend.

 

Don't worry about not being as 'qualified' as I am with regard to photography, especially model railway photography. At your age, any pictures I took of model railways were rubbish! Indeed, as was my modelling. Like for like (age-wise), I'd say you're infinitely more qualified in both disciplines than I was.

 

As an aside (though it's not your interest), my commiserations on the Aussies being beaten in the Headingley Test. Not too many, though!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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2 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

You learn very quickly my young friend.

 

Don't worry about not being as 'qualified' as I am with regard to photography, especially model railway photography. At your age, any pictures I took of model railways were rubbish! Indeed, as was my modelling. Like for like (age-wise), I'd say you're infinitely more qualified in both disciplines than I was.

 

As an aside (though it's not your interest), my commiserations on the Aussies being beaten in the Headingley Test. Not too many, though!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Many thanks Tony, I just uploaded the full set of photos on my thread, your kind words, help and criticisms are always welcome, please let me know what you think. 

 

Is that cricket? The only time I watch cricket is at your place Tony. 

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Just a little post in praise of the humble Parkside kits (and a follow up to Tony's 7mm Parkside posting a few pages back). Such a joy building these well thought out and easy to put together kits - I've been building them for years. Here's the latest - a diagram 116 ventilated  van (with a diagram 102 behind). 

 

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Talking of cricket we went to the T20 Notts v Yorkshire yesterday at Trent Bridge. Notts somehow rescued victory from what seemed like a lost cause to go through to the quarter finals. But the biggest cheer by all fans, including those form Yorkshire) was when Stokes hit those winning runs - all communicated by the thousands there listening on the radio. It capped a perfect sporting weekend for me. Forest winning at Fulham, Notts in the T20 and of course England against Australia. Just a note about Notts. They're a very good one-day and T20 side but the poorest of the poor this season when it comes to the 4day game. Relegation beckons this season.

 

Jesse, I am really surprised that you're not into cricket. I have to say I've never met an Aussie who wasn't nuts about cricket (and didn't try to rub it in about 5-0 ashes defeats of the past) . 

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How can an Aussie not be mad-keen on cricket? 

 

In the same way, how can any Yorkshireman not be interested? Years ago, when I was effectively staff social secretary at my school, I used to organise teachers-v-teachers football/cricket/rugby games in the evenings. Always on the look-out for good players, I was delighted when a young chap from God's own country joined the staff. Looking at him, young and slim, I thought him more likely to be a batsman rather than a bowler. 'Opener or middle order? I asked. 'Or, spin bowler, or perhaps wicket-keeper? He asked what I was talking about. 'Good gag' I responded, 'what do you excel at in cricket?' 'I don't play cricket' was his answer. 'Another good gag' I laughed. 'No, it's true, I don't play cricket, in fact I'm useless at sports'. He was also useless at teaching, and didn't last long, being effectively 'eaten alive'! My dad was still alive at the time, and I never told him of this. He'd have exploded! 

 

Being 'useless' is the opposite of the Ballyconnell Road trio who visited yesterday. Mick Rawlings brought the following three items he'd made along..................

 

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The three items of rolling stock are all scratch-built, and the Metro-Vic Bo-Bo is a 3D-printed body (much-detailed) on a scratch-built set of frames. 

 

These are all 3mm Scale, 15.2mm Gauge, and are all beautifully-made. This is 'real' modelling to me. With almost no RTR support in this scale/gauge (is there any?), it's self-reliant model-making of the highest order. 

 

Thanks for bringing these, Mick, and thanks to you, Steve and Alastair for such a great day and most-generous contributions to CRUK. 

 

Oh, and that dud point motor has been replaced this morning. Yet another SEEP failure! Am I unlucky with these solenoids failing? That's a dozen gone in as many years........................

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Tony,

 

Going back to your post about 6203 and round-head buffers, that is something I have never seen (except for 6200 and 6201 in their very early days) and I can't offer any definite reason for it in 1960. However, since the oval plates were just riveted onto round buffer heads and 6203 was within a few months of being stored out of use, maybe the oval plates had been removed for some reason during repairs and since in the usual course of events the engines weren't piloted, it wasn't seen as necessary to refit them at that late stage. The fact that the locomotive was later taken out of storage for a while to substitute for failing diesels and was then (as far as I am aware, although I would welcome being corrected if anyone has the evidence) fitted with oval plates could be significant as someone wanted to cover all eventualities?

 

Just a few thoughts.

 

Dave

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2 hours ago, Dave Hunt said:

Tony,

 

Going back to your post about 6203 and round-head buffers, that is something I have never seen (except for 6200 and 6201 in their very early days) and I can't offer any definite reason for it in 1960. However, since the oval plates were just riveted onto round buffer heads and 6203 was within a few months of being stored out of use, maybe the oval plates had been removed for some reason during repairs and since in the usual course of events the engines weren't piloted, it wasn't seen as necessary to refit them at that late stage. The fact that the locomotive was later taken out of storage for a while to substitute for failing diesels and was then (as far as I am aware, although I would welcome being corrected if anyone has the evidence) fitted with oval plates could be significant as someone wanted to cover all eventualities?

 

Just a few thoughts.

 

Dave

Thanks Dave,

 

I had to look twice at the picture, before I believed it myself.

 

It's one of those curious details which 'engine-pickers' (which Irwell describes the likes of me) find particularly fascinating.

 

Like 70045 finally getting oval front buffers, for instance. Or, even more extraordinary, LUCKIE MUCKLEBACKIT leaving the Mound Tunnel on the 8th of June 1951, displaying one ROUND and one OVAL buffer at the front! Page 75 (bottom) LNER In Transition

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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An appeal to those clever and most knowledgeable people that frequent Tony's excellent thread - can anyone shed any light as to the origins of the following mouldings (Manufacturer and prototype) please?  Another of those items collected at some long-forgotten exhibition in the dim and distant past....

Many thanks,

Brian

 

 

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Kirk kit, Gre sley 64ft full brake? I may be wrong, after all I'm a ST modeller.

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4 hours ago, Dave Hunt said:

Tony,

 

Going back to your post about 6203 and round-head buffers, that is something I have never seen (except for 6200 and 6201 in their very early days) and I can't offer any definite reason for it in 1960. However, since the oval plates were just riveted onto round buffer heads and 6203 was within a few months of being stored out of use, maybe the oval plates had been removed for some reason during repairs and since in the usual course of events the engines weren't piloted, it wasn't seen as necessary to refit them at that late stage. The fact that the locomotive was later taken out of storage for a while to substitute for failing diesels and was then (as far as I am aware, although I would welcome being corrected if anyone has the evidence) fitted with oval plates could be significant as someone wanted to cover all eventualities?

 

Just a few thoughts.

 

Dave

Perhaps if they were reinstated, as what in modern parlance would be called thunderbirds, then the oval buffers would make sense. In one occasion that I was sort of involved in the assisting loco, in that case a Brit, had to push the failed Peak and train into Settle Station before running round and depositing the Peak in a siding.   Thus it would have propelled for a mile or so.   It then set off from Settle with the Thames Clyde 90 down and the driver had a good go at making the lost time up on a clear run to Carlisle.   The Peak had failed in a stretch of single line working due to bridge repairs.  I was the lucky recipient of a footplate ride a 9F, that was on a southbound anhydrite train from Long Meg, from Blea Moor back to Settle.   When Robin Hood passed us at Selside it looked like a mobile Volcano as the driver pounded up the Long Drag.   I'll give you all 1 guess as to which 9F I was on (aged 14).

 

Jamie

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To be fair, I don’t know anyone who thinks cricket is better than watching paint dry.

 

nice chuffed though !

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On ‎25‎/‎08‎/‎2019 at 10:41, Tony Wright said:

In between watching yesterday's cricket, I finished off the DJH A1 recently-featured. 

 

I always leave the motion to the last!

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_08/333632541_DJHA16015704Bpanning.jpg.1adce0f5dc5f78f949253b0a98a675c8.jpg

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_08/1175837028_DJHA16015705panning.jpg.9fdecf3423630054354e33f6fd246bae.jpg

 

Perfect, high-speed (and slow) running from the new DJH motor/gearbox combo.

 

Why build an A1 when Bachmann makes one RTR?

 

I wonder why that question keeps being asked of me...................................

 

 

Simple , because it satisfies the creative urge and it's just more fun , as you are already well aware , Tony .

                                                      Ray .

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2 hours ago, westerner said:

Kirk kit, Gre sley 64ft full brake? I may be wrong, after all I'm a ST modeller.

I agree, Alan,

 

But shouldn't that be 61' 6". I thought it was only the sleeping cars which were longer than standard. If wrong (and I could be), I'll have learned something more.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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