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I've slapped some paint on; crimson (it looks a little Midland style) on the body sides, grey for the roof and black ends (it's all very impressionistic being generic coaches). However I need some satin varnish to tone down the high gloss paint finish which is not a good look on small N/2mm models. And to make, paint and fit some basic interiors (partitions and seating) from mount-board card.

 

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11 hours ago, uax6 said:

And if you are after anything from the old Nu-cast range, give Dave at SEF a call and if he can he will spin you the kit (quite a few ex Nu-cast, ex Sutherland HR wee Bens have been done recently... ;-] )

 

Also on the Frame front, Frank Roomes' Lutton had a fully interlocked frame that was a pleasure to use, along with proper block instruments. It was used to train Sappers, and as Frank was an MOT Railway Inspector it all had to work properly (I even recall very small token pouches).. That really introduced me to a railway that worked as it should and what a joy it was to operate.

 

Andy G

Much appreciated, Andy, definitely some items I would be wanting:)

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3 hours ago, James Fitzjames said:

Much appreciated, Andy, definitely some items I would be wantinghttps://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png

When talking to Dave very recently, he said that quite a few moulds are unusable, so any kits that contain those are unlikely to be re-issued, at least not for a long time. Additionally,  a lot of patterns are missing, so would add to the costs of some kits appearing again.

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On 23/11/2019 at 18:31, Chamby said:

Great to meet Tony, Mo and Jesse today.  Definitely a highlight, my abiding memory of the day overall is however summed up by this:

 

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I didn’t feel that there was as much 4mm this year, there seemed to be rather more narrow gauge, O gauge and US/continental stuff than usual.  A couple of nice characterful layouts that did catch my attention, Norwich Central:

 

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Blackfriars Bridge in P4:

 

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And a nice O gauge layout called Kimble, unfortunately the photo won’t upload.

 

Warley is always worth a visit, but the long trek from the car park, £17.50 entry price (plus another £16 for parking) and endless traipsing round the huge hall do make for a tiring and expensive day out.

Good to see you, Phil, as well (though why I called you Paul I can only put down to crumbling faculties!). 

 

Thank you for your most-generous donation to CRUK, and thanks to all the others, too. Mo counted up nearly £100.00 this morning! 

 

I never got to see any layouts at Warley, which is as expected. However, I did have the most-fantastic time talking to so many visitors, demonstrating aspects of loco construction and fixing a few duds. I also bought some more (old) loco kits from a stall selling hundreds. What a find!

 

Despite enjoying ourselves so much, this will be our last Warley Show. Why?  Being on the M6 car park on the Friday afternoon is little fun, though (only just) less fun than negotiating an alternative route through Coventry. Over an hour and a half to get from western end of the M69 to the NEC is not to be repeated! 

 

Then there's the leaving! We were in the demonstration area, adjacent to the vast Squire's stand. Entirely reasonably, all the demos were requested to pack up half an hour early to give Squires some space to get all there stuff into a big van to return home. Which meant we were ready to leave just prior to closing. Nobody told us that hand trolleys were not allowed! 'Too dangerous' a jobsworth informed us. He wouldn't let us out. Not just us, but others with trolleys as well (the show had closed by now). This is despite the fact that invalid 'scooters' (is that what they're called?) were present in large numbers throughout the show. Are trolleys more 'dangerous' that those?  'I'd lose my job if I let you out' he bleated. 'But then the "dangerous" trolleys would be gone' said I. No good. It took Ian Rathbone (bless him), as a Warley Club member, to tell us we could leave; he accepting the 'responsibility'.

 

I fully accept that this sort of thing has nothing to do with Warley. The members do a great job. It's (some of) the NEC staff, which, in my experience, just hinder things - two years ago, one officious car park attendant caused a huge blockage by not letting exhibitors' cars into the adjacent car park for breaking down, despite all exhibitors being told (we could just understand the hopeless PA system - it was worse this year) to bring their cars in. He eventually got a message - fortunately for him, because Kim Clifford was considering doing the oaf harm! 

 

And then there's finally 'escaping' from the car park.  

 

Never again, but thanks to all the Warley Club members for putting on such a fine show.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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Just one more thing on the 'operating' front.

 

As is well-known, I'm in the 'building' camp rather than the 'operator' one, though the two are not exclusive. 

 

One thing which pleases me as much as anything else about Little Bytham is that I can leave visitors to their own devices and, in very little time, they've worked out how to operate it by themselves. They just get on with it - no bells, no dings, and all great fun! 

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32 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

 

Then there's the leaving! We were in the demonstration area, adjacent to the vast Squire's stand. Entirely reasonably, all the demos were requested to pack up half an hour early to give Squires some space to get all there stuff into a big van to return home. Which meant we were ready to leave just prior to closing. Nobody told us that hand trolleys were not allowed! 'Too dangerous' a jobsworth informed us. He wouldn't let us out. Not just us, but others with trolleys as well (the show had closed by now). This is despite the fact that invalid 'scooters' (is that what they're called?) were present in large numbers throughout the show. Are trolleys more 'dangerous' that those?  'I'd lose my job if I let you out' he bleated. 'But then the "dangerous" trolleys would be gone' said I. No good. It took Ian Rathbone (bless him), as a Warley Club member, to tell us we could leave; he accepting the 'responsibility'.

 

 

I'm not quite sure what you mean by hand trolleys but on the basis that the NEC deems them 'too dangerous' (to be allowed presumably under the control of the untrained public) it's a wonder supermarkets have persevered with shopping trolleys, airports haven't banned luggage trolleys and many sectors of British industry, including railway stations, still use sack barrows.

 

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Tony

The stall selling the loco kits. Can you remember their name? Do they have a website?

Much appreciated if you do. 
David

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I thought the stall selling second hand kits was remarkably good value! I purchased a Nu cast kit for around £80.  On getting home opened it to find a set of wheels in it.  Makes the kit almost free!

 

Good also to see a well stocked  SE Finecast stall with a good, professional looking presence.

 

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2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

 

 

Then there's the leaving! We were in the demonstration area, adjacent to the vast Squire's stand. Entirely reasonably, all the demos were requested to pack up half an hour early to give Squires some space to get all there stuff into a big van to return home. Which meant we were ready to leave just prior to closing. Nobody told us that hand trolleys were not allowed! 'Too dangerous' a jobsworth informed us. He wouldn't let us out. Not just us, but others with trolleys as well (the show had closed by now). This is despite the fact that invalid 'scooters' (is that what they're called?) were present in large numbers throughout the show. Are trolleys more 'dangerous' that those?  'I'd lose my job if I let you out' he bleated. 'But then the "dangerous" trolleys would be gone' said I. No good. It took Ian Rathbone (bless him), as a Warley Club member, to tell us we could leave; he accepting the 'responsibility'.

 

I fully accept that this sort of thing has nothing to do with Warley. The members do a great job. It's (some of) the NEC staff, which, in my experience, just hinder things - two years ago, one officious car park attendant caused a huge blockage by not letting exhibitors' cars into the adjacent car park for breaking down, despite all exhibitors being told (we could just understand the hopeless PA system - it was worse this year) to bring their cars in. He eventually got a message - fortunately for him, because Kim Clifford was considering doing the oaf harm! 

 

And then there's finally 'escaping' from the car park.  

 

Never again, but thanks to all the Warley Club members for putting on such a fine show.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

I remember that Tony, Kim is not to be messed with, particularly when she has her school mistress hat on - even I do as I'm told!

 

When you say hand trolleys, do you mean the sort of folding sack truck type things. If they are banned that would be a real pain. We tend to load our demo on this with the aid of a couple of bungees and, so long as its not throwing it down with rain, walk it out to the car parks which is a lot easier than queuing to get your car in the car park opposite. Could somebody possibly post a snap of the 'dangerous' type of trolley!

 

We had a fabulous weekend with the family, the highlight of course being Ted's second birthday. That said, I did miss my weekend in the demonstrators enclave.

 

Jerry and Kim

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2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Then there's the leaving! We were in the demonstration area, adjacent to the vast Squire's stand. Entirely reasonably, all the demos were requested to pack up half an hour early to give Squires some space to get all there stuff into a big van to return home. Which meant we were ready to leave just prior to closing. Nobody told us that hand trolleys were not allowed! 'Too dangerous' a jobsworth informed us. He wouldn't let us out. Not just us, but others with trolleys as well (the show had closed by now). This is despite the fact that invalid 'scooters' (is that what they're called?) were present in large numbers throughout the show. Are trolleys more 'dangerous' that those?  'I'd lose my job if I let you out' he bleated. 'But then the "dangerous" trolleys would be gone' said I. No good. It took Ian Rathbone (bless him), as a Warley Club member, to tell us we could leave; he accepting the 'responsibility'.

 

If it was the chap by the door nearest to us he did say something about trolleys, when I said I'd been doing this for 6 years he replied it was his first. Hopefully a newbie that needs retraining for next year.

 

I did notice that the "normal" exit the other side of the food court was unmanned but folks were leaving by that route as I passed by outside.

 

Sorry we didn't have chance to catch up and hope you can reconsider for next year, the show would not be the same without you :)

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We had a good day out again at Warley this year and managed to pick up some useful items from - in particular - Squires and Modelu and took pity on a part built Ratio bogie parcels van. Also managed a very brief word with Tony and caught up with old friends from the south. 
 

I find the NEC something to be endured, concrete jungle that it is and can imagine the ‘job’ for exhibitors to get out. My thanks to all. My NEC grumbles are the ‘plastic’ breakfast (why have I just wasted money on tyres when I could have used NEC bacon?) and the general signage which seems to be for the gratification of folk who know their way around anyway. After getting ‘lost’ on the way out I took amusement from the NEC ‘high vis man’ who seemed incredulous that I wanted to walk to my car...

 

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Tony was busy I managed a hello and that was it, but chatted to Jesse for about 20 minutes.

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On 24/11/2019 at 07:15, uax6 said:

And if you are after anything from the old Nu-cast range, give Dave at SEF a call and if he can he will spin you the kit (quite a few ex Nu-cast, ex Sutherland HR wee Bens have been done recently... ;-] )

 

Andy G

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Just be aware that Dave is currently unwell so please bear that in mind. I am sure all of us wish him a speedy recovery as well as being really helpful he is a lovely man. 

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7 hours ago, D-A-T said:

Tony

The stall selling the loco kits. Can you remember their name? Do they have a website?

Much appreciated if you do. 
David

I think they gave me a card, I’ll have a look for you 

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Tony

the general rule is nothing in (trolleys, packing carts etc) until after the show closes. The lad on the door was instructed by the NEC senior staff at about 5:10 ish that people could come out of the hall with trolleys etc.  You must have been in front of the orders "from above"..just.

 

My biggest gripe was with fellow exhibitors. I parked my car to be surrounded by other cars and small vans. The one directly behind me moved over eventually and the crew went off to take the layout down...as it happens they didn't take long to do so but it seems that everyone wants to get out of the hall with top priority and speed.

 

Most of the problems at the NEC are:

 

1  NEC staff who are acting on "orders"

2   Exhibitors who think they have the right to get in the way of everyone else to suit  their needs

3   Visitors who try to buy items from squires at 5:15  ,,the show closed at 5pm.....

 

Baz

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8 hours ago, D-A-T said:

Tony

The stall selling the loco kits. Can you remember their name? Do they have a website?

Much appreciated if you do. 
David

 

7 hours ago, jwealleans said:

W M Collectables.  No idea whether he has a website.

 

1 hour ago, Jesse Sim said:

I think they gave me a card, I’ll have a look for you 

 

It was indeed W M Collectables and he (Andrew) has a website: www.wmcollectables.co.uk where you can find his other contact details.  However, before you rush there to see what he's got, he's primarily an earlier RTR specialist (Triang TT & OO, Hornby Dublo, Trix, Hornby, Wrenn, etc. and that's what is listed on his website - you won't find a list of the kits he's got; not yet anyway.  He takes the kits (they're the collection of one owner, mostly unbuilt but kept scrupulously complete and in brilliant condition - and there's loads and loads of them) to shows, the next ones being Newton Abbot Racecourse next weekend and Peterborough the weekend after.  Other shows he's due to attend are on his website. 

 

If you're interested and can get to see him at a show, that's probably the best way to start.  I last met Andrew the weekend before last at the Sandown Park Toy Fair.  I've bought a few bits of RTR from him on previous occasions and was very surprised - delighted - to see his stand bulging with kits this time.  He explained about the huge collection he'd bought and I duly bought two unbuilt DJH kits from him (a B16 and a Urie S15) and a 3/4 completed SE Finecast SR Class W.  He has a huge number of loco kits from the collection to sort through and sell, many of which are no longer available.  He also has, from the same collection, a more limited number (still quite a few though!) of completed kit-built locos, some finished much better than others.  Just as excitingly, he has a huge number of unused/unopened rolling stock kits too, again many of which are no longer available from the manufacturer.  I'm buying some Ian Kirk carriage kits from him, too. 

 

I'd say to be patient with him though.  It's a really vast collection of kits he's got to work through, organise and list and he's only part of the way through the job so he doesn't yet know exactly what he has, altogether.  From what I saw at Sandown Park, he does have some really lovely kits in genuinely as-new condition - kits that I'm sure most of us thought we'd never see again.

 

Usual disclaimer - I have no connection to Andrew other than being an occasional and very satisfied customer.

 

Pete T.

 

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I see W M Collectables will be at Peterborough ...

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I fail to understand why anybody would buy un-built kits in such quantity that they could never hope to build them all, i.e. simply to create a personal "collection". Among all the other variety I counted at least nine un-built B12/3 kits, and that was on Sunday afternoon, when the vultures had already had a day and a half to strip the stall of the goodies. Did the original buyer seriously think he was going to manage to build nine B12/3s from vintage (probably dodgy) whitemetal kits as well as dozens of other types of locos, plus many, many carriages and wagons

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I was lucky at that stall - I picked up a Stephen Poole E4 (the proper one, GER) complete with a NuCast chassis, and a D&S GER Restaurant Car. By my reckoning, that is the last loco on my wishlist so I am very pleased. It is a very long list of East Anglian locos, though one has yet to be delivered from Model Rail (LMS shunter). I'm hoping he has some more coaches left at Peterborough.

 

Stewart

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2 minutes ago, gr.king said:

Did the original buyer seriously think he was going to manage to build nine B12/3s from vintage (probably dodgy) whitemetal kits as well as dozens of other types of locos, plus many, many carriages and wagons

 

As I understand it, no he didn't.  He just enjoyed collecting the kits, which were floor to ceiling in some rooms and the hall around his house.  Each to his own, I suppose... but I struggle to see the point as well (however, I am of course very grateful for second chances to buy some of the no-longer-available products!).

 

Andrew of W M Collectables described to me how the collector had been so scrupulous he'd gone through each kit after he'd bought them to check every piece was present and correct - if anything was missing or damaged, he contacted the kit manufacturer and got replacement parts sent to him.  In the kits I bought are hand written notes from the collector verifying that the kits were complete or, if he'd had to ask for replacement parts, the full details of what he'd done. 

 

Just remembered - on Andrew's stand at Sandown Park, there were a large number of old D & S coach kits from the collection, too...

 

Pete T.

 

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8 hours ago, queensquare said:

 

I remember that Tony, Kim is not to be messed with, particularly when she has her school mistress hat on - even I do as I'm told!

 

When you say hand trolleys, do you mean the sort of folding sack truck type things. If they are banned that would be a real pain. We tend to load our demo on this with the aid of a couple of bungees and, so long as its not throwing it down with rain, walk it out to the car parks which is a lot easier than queuing to get your car in the car park opposite. Could somebody possibly post a snap of the 'dangerous' type of trolley!

 

We had a fabulous weekend with the family, the highlight of course being Ted's second birthday. That said, I did miss my weekend in the demonstrators enclave.

 

Jerry and Kim

Just 'trolleys', Jerry - whatever the description.

 

I think it should have been a case of just using that diminishing item today, 'common sense'. Because we'd packed up a little early (as requested), we were ready to leave just before the public left. Were the trolleys dangerous to the public, I wonder? Certainly, there were no members of the public around the side exit door as we, and several others with trolleys, attempted to 'escape' (including Chris Nevard). Surely, with such dangerous 'weapons' as trolleys around, common sense would dictate that they were out of the hall as quickly as possible. All it did was cause a potential hazard as these 'machines of mass destruction' were crowded around. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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7 hours ago, RedgateModels said:

 

If it was the chap by the door nearest to us he did say something about trolleys, when I said I'd been doing this for 6 years he replied it was his first. Hopefully a newbie that needs retraining for next year.

 

I did notice that the "normal" exit the other side of the food court was unmanned but folks were leaving by that route as I passed by outside.

 

Sorry we didn't have chance to catch up and hope you can reconsider for next year, the show would not be the same without you :)

Sorry I wasn't able to chat with you, Ian.

 

It was so busy most of the time, but I should have made a greater effort.

 

No chance of my changing my mind I'm afraid. We do so many exhibitions and, despite the excellence of the Warley Show (for which all the organisers should be congratulated), it's the general hassle which comes with the NEC which is just too much.

 

The Glasgow Show, which is held in the SECC (admittedly a much-smaller site than the NEC) suffers no such problems in my experience. But then, all the stewards (or so it seems to me) are Scottish Association members, and are full of 'common sense'. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

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