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On the subject of aesthetics, I will be sorry to see the end of the 91's.  In profile they always looked to me as if they were straining at the leash to go forward fast.    

 

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Perhaps I was a bit too criticising when I said the 69's have silly names - silly me - I stand corrected !!!!!!!!! (The one I saw, my first, was "Splendid" )

 

Anyway, loco hauled trains are a bit of a reprieve in our overall DMU / EMU rail scene. I plan to have a ride on one soon.

 

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My thoughts, nice modern livery. Sides / roof / cab back / windscreen Ok - BUT the "cut off" flat front bit is the look spoiler, as are the odd shaped buffers. Pity she was not made at Doncaster, Derby or Crewe (Swindon wouldn't have dared to make this !!)

 

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As noted above the Class 68 names have been used as warship names, even though they lack the defining HMS prefix. 

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The 68 names are excellent , as to the look of them , well  Star Wars names would have been more appropriatte,  Wooky, Bobba Fett , Daft Ada etc . What is the point of the Buffer shape !!

 

A proper Enterprise in its by far best colour.

 

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1 hour ago, APOLLO said:

Perhaps I was a bit too criticising when I said the 69's have silly names - silly me - I stand corrected !!!!!!!!! (The one I saw, my first, was "Splendid" )

 

Anyway, loco hauled trains are a bit of a reprieve in our overall DMU / EMU rail scene. I plan to have a ride on one soon.

 

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My thoughts, nice modern livery. Sides / roof / cab back / windscreen Ok - BUT the "cut off" flat front bit is the look spoiler, as are the odd shaped buffers. Pity she was not made at Doncaster, Derby or Crewe (Swindon wouldn't have dared to make this !!)

 

Brit15

I see them quite regularly out of Marylebone in what I find a much nicer livery .... I have always quite liked them - its nice to have a separate loco. The buffers are much less obvious when viewed from the platform.iu-2.jpeg.df41338a2e917dba539ea538bb6a224b.jpegiu.jpeg.4ba8002a205c35e2cc1dac030ca52961.jpeg

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At least 68011 has some lovely old fashioned lamps on the roof!

 

All such likes and dislikes have to be based purely on personal choice. Nobody can ever really say that a GCR 4-4-0 looks better than a Class 68. We can only ever say that we as individuals prefer one to the other. Even if 99 people prefer one and 1 person likes the other, it proves nothing other than 99 people have similar tastes and 1 has different tastes.

 

I will say that the 68 in two tone grey livery looks, to my eyes, much better than the ones at York with all the odd diagonal stripes and multiple colours.

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Here's a few pics of two class 68s that I took in 2017:

 

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I snapped them just outside the nuclear flask loading site at Lydd. Someone came out of the hut in the compound and asked if I wanted them moved for a better view to photograph them but I was in a rush with some friends in the car on the way to see the Denge sound mirrors.

 

 

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On 12/12/2019 at 08:06, micklner said:

The only problem I can see using Steel is corrosion if it becomes damp/wet at any time . It is also harder to bend and cut.

Hi Mick,

Apologies for a somewhat late reply.  This is the first time I've been on RM Web since posting my comment.  I only offer the use of steel for hand rails as a third option that some will not previously have considered. I particularly like steel because it is far more resistant to accidental damage.  This is important to me because my stock is primarily built for exhibiting and so is constantly being packed and unpacked.  

 

Whilst I would agree that logically steel is harder to bend and cut, at 0.4mm thickness it is still easily worked and I've personally never given it a second thought even when bending up hand rails for Great Western locomotives which are not the simplest to make at the best of times.  As to concerns with regards rust there are many other components already utilised by railway modellers which are made of steel so you will already know if rust is a problem for your personal situation.

 

In the end it's a personal choice.

 

Regards,

 

Frank

 

 

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2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

'I wonder what he would have thought of the noisy 68's with their silly names !!!!'

 

Noisy the 68s might be, but I'm not sure I agree with your view of them as having 'silly names'. 

 

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SUPERB has a ring about it. Don't forget it was a warship name on both a ship and a WR hydraulic. 

 

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And COURAGEOUS was considered suitable to adorn a Jubilee (45711). 

 

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And what about ENTERPRISE? 

 

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Definitely good enough to be carried by an A3, coincidentally seen at York, but almost 60 years earlier. 

 

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And at Stoke Summit.

 

As an aside, what a great train, including a Gresley articulated steel twin, and the first car fresh from shops. 

 

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And also seen when she was on the ex-GC, at Neasden.

 

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I certainly don't think my model of her has a silly name (though some of the other A3 names are debatable!). 

 

Which names carried by the 68s do you consider silly? OXFORD FLYER? BRUTUS? FELIX?

 

Though I think the class is ugly, credit where credit's due with regard to most of the names in my view. 

 

The likes of RAPID, VALIANT, VIGILANT, LORD PRESIDENT, BLACK DOUGLAS among others for instance. Names with real tradition in my opinion.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

 

 

Those top 2 are silly on a 68, much better on a 50

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4 hours ago, APOLLO said:

York - I remember a non stop Deltic hauled express passing through on the now long gone centre roads !!

I remember that too. The problem was, I thought it was going to stop so that I could get on and go home to Edinburgh. After it had gone through I checked the timetable again and found that it didn't stop on Saturdays...

 

The only thing to do was to return to the bar at the Royal Station Hotel for an hour or so.

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2 hours ago, micklner said:

The 68 names are excellent , as to the look of them , well  Star Wars names would have been more appropriatte,  Wooky, Bobba Fett , Daft Ada etc . What is the point of the Buffer shape !!

 

A proper Enterprise in its by far best colour.

 

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Very pretty, Mick,

 

'A proper Enterprise in its by far best colour.'

 

But nowhere near in its best condition, most-economical, most-powerful and most-reliable! Those triumphs came when she was an A3, had a double chimney, was painted 'proper' green and had German blinkers! 

 

Your model shows her as an original A1, with short-travel valves and low boiler pressure. Not so good, but, as I say, pretty.

 

And what on Earth has happened to that return crank? If you tried to run it, it would surely jam up. At least it's one way of assuring that the back end of the eccentric rod is lower than the front. Hornby, I assume? 

 

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Tony. 

 

 

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G'Day Folks

 

Does this remind you of Darth Vaders helmet !!

 

manna

 

Picture borrowed from the last page.

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Unusually for me I actually like the look of the class 68, not that I would purchase one. They appear utilitarian, the fronts do look a bit like a warthog that has hit a wall. But for some reason they have grown on me. 

 

Manna above does have the design cue right the designer liked darth Vader' helmet too much. 

 

On the the subject of buffers I have been recently reading through a heap of NERA mags I was given. One photo of oval buffers shows them all at quite jointy angles!

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Purely in terms of livery and glorious appearance, the first A1s, turned out in GNR livery with the tall fittings and cab are the pinnacle for me. The dark green edging just adds something special. One of those on a rake of clerestory 12 wheelers is about as magnificent a sight as is possible on our railways.

 

I would never get around to building one as I have too many others that I would like to have that are higher priority but when Hornby produced that version, I put my hand into the wallet for a rare RTR purchase.

 

 

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On 12/12/2019 at 09:30, Tony Wright said:

I don't think it costs thousands to produce a chimney out in China, or anywhere else. 

 

To fit, say, a double chimney on an RTR V2 (in place of a single one) would require (I'm guessing here, I admit) at least a new smokebox moulding or even a whole new boiler! It's a question of if the chimney is separately-fitted, or not.

 

Rapido Trains made a mistake in tooling up their model of the American RS11, unfortunately caught when someone viewing photos of the EP sample asked if the cab was too high - it turned out it was.

 

Rapido ended up fixing the issue, and while they didn't explicitly state it I would guess it involved tooling an entirely new cab.  In a subsequent newsletter (*) they stated fixing the cab cost $15000 (£11300 today).

 

So £6000 for a chimney wouldn't surprise me.  Tooling molds for injection plastic is expensive, an expense kit manufacturers don't have because they aren't designing stuff for lifetime production runs in the many thousands.

 

 

* - https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Rapido-News-109---New-freight-cars--new-RS-11-order-date--and-we-re-hiring-.html?soid=1101318906379&aid=g-SzXvHaIjQ

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On 12/12/2019 at 10:43, t-b-g said:

I know little about commercial manufacturing but it would be interesting to know just how a figure like that £6000 is arrived at. It is probably a business sensitive matter not for public discussion but if you take that as the cost of a single component and then look at how many components there are in a loco, which may be a limited edition of, say, 500 units, the maths just don't seem right to me.

 

Don't think you will find many RTR models that only do 500 units, because as you say the numbers get difficult.  500 sounds more like a particular livery variation (many factories seem to, based on online forum comments, want a minimum of about 500 models per livery variation given the time/cost of setting up for each livery at the paint and pad printing stages).

 

You also of course can do a sub variation of a model with only 500 units through using slides and other things to allow molds to be used for many different versions of the same model, which means while your particular model may only do 500 its costs are spread out over the entire class.  The example here would be the new Class 37 model, where the tooling will presumably allow for the various sub-classes to be made from the same tooling instead of tooling up each subclass separately.

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14 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

'Has anybody ever described a Class 68 as "elegant"? That front nose shape looks like a warthog that has run into a wall too fast!'

 

I'm inclined to agree, Tony,

 

Mind you, as someone else has observed, the DVT is worse....................

 

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Different times, different trainspotters!

 

 

 

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Probably just the same ones only they are now older

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It seems to have been common practice over the last couple of decades, that those who devise rolling stock liveries ensure no colour interface be permitted to coincide with any panel line on the bodywork. The TPE Class 68 amply demonstrates "no change", though perhaps GWR's treatment of their Class 800s represents a lurch to the other extreme. 

 

To my mind, the "Warthog effect" only afflicts the Class 68 finished in TPE livery which, in my (reconsidered) opinion does it no favours. Unexpectedly, the yellow panels incorporated in the DRS blue and Chiltern grey liveries seem to minimise the visual impact of the blunted end. The TPE treatment divides it up which (also unexpectedly) accentuates its abbreviated shape.

 

The end of the Mk5 driving trailer is just a mess. Nobody seems to have considered how the bodywork and underframe should interface. The former appears to have been designed separately and simply had bits cut away to make it fit over the latter.

 

All that said, I still consider the TPE colour scheme to be the lesser of two evils (compared to GWR Drab) on anything with a fully pointy nose.

 

John

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50 minutes ago, Michael Edge said:

Enthusiasts of heavy weathering please note - you can still read the loco number!

 

But only because someone has wiped that bit clean... presumably it would have been covered over prior to that!   It is also ‘weathered’ in that muddy colour so favoured by the RTR manufacturers.

 

Looks like it might have been working on the rail-head treatment train?

 

At least a class 68 has a bit more shape to it than the extruded class 67... they really do take utilitarian to the extreme!

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8 minutes ago, Chamby said:

 

But only because someone has wiped that bit clean... presumably it would have been covered over prior to that!   It is also ‘weathered’ in that muddy colour so favoured by the RTR manufacturers.

 

Looks like it might have been working on the rail-head treatment train?

 

At least a class 68 has a bit more shape to it than the extruded class 67... they really do take utilitarian to the extreme!

 

I believe the Ju52 was extensively used in the Spanish civil war? Perhaps that was the inspiration?

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1 hour ago, Chamby said:

 

But only because someone has wiped that bit clean... presumably it would have been covered over prior to that!   It is also ‘weathered’ in that muddy colour so favoured by the RTR manufacturers.

 

Looks like it might have been working on the rail-head treatment train?

 

At least a class 68 has a bit more shape to it than the extruded class 67... they really do take utilitarian to the extreme!

It was. Super power for two container flats. State of the art locomotives alongside semaphore signals. Whats not to love?

 

We also get the 88 electrics. Look the same from a distance - running diesel gets very confusing. Super power again on one wagon or is it because they are too scared to go out to Hartlepool on their own?:o

 

Mike Wiltshire

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