Wright writes.....

[westerner]

getting away from all this talk of beer with the pubs shut and having run out at home I give you the latest addition to Blakeney, the lamp hut from an Intentio kit.

 

[grahame]

16 minutes ago, westerner said:

getting away from all this talk of beer with the pubs shut and having run out at home 

 

 

Certainly a problem. Fortunately a lot of the smaller new wave breweries are offering mail order with free deliveries for orders over £30. I placed an order with Ascot Brewery in Camberley yesterday.

 

I've been having a weekly virtual pub meeting with some DEMU member friends (using Zoom) which has kept alive socialising, having a beer and talking model trains. It's been working well and has been enjoyable.

 

 

 

[Lecorbusier]

I am after picking collective brains here. I have come across this "midland" version of 'The Kiss in the Tunnel' from 1899 (ish). I am wondering if anyone out there can recognise the tunnel entrance at the begining and the tunnel exit and station at the end. The station has been wrongly identified as Monsaldale in one credit.

 

Thanks

 

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Lecorbusier

[Northmoor]

45 minutes ago, Lecorbusier said:

I am after picking collective brains here. I have come across this "midland" version of 'The Kiss in the Tunnel' from 1899 (ish). I am wondering if anyone out there can recognise the tunnel entrance at the begining and the tunnel exit and station at the end. The station has been wrongly identified as Monsaldale in one credit.

 

Thanks

 

I'm fairly sure the station IS Monsal Dale but the tunnel certainly isn't Monsal Head, which is approached in a rock cutting almost vertically-sided.  It looks more like one of the ones to the west of there but I can't find photos which show the wing walls.  The loco seems to be working hard initially (not the same engine in the later shot - nothing changes when railways are represented in TV/film! - so I wondered if it was climbing to Dove Holes, in the southbound direction.

[Compound2632]

5 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

The loco seems to be working hard initially (not the same engine in the later shot - nothing changes when railways are represented in TV/film!

 

It goes in a 0-4-4T and comes out a 4-4-0!

[2750Papyrus]

So he lights his cigarette, inhales and then kisses her.  Hope she enjoyed that!

 

Just wonder if that was a clue to the location - "the Long Drag".

[Lecorbusier]

9 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

I'm fairly sure the station IS Monsal Dale but the tunnel certainly isn't Monsal Head, which is approached in a rock cutting almost vertically-sided.  It looks more like one of the ones to the west of there but I can't find photos which show the wing walls.  The loco seems to be working hard initially (not the same engine in the later shot - nothing changes when railways are represented in TV/film! - so I wondered if it was climbing to Dove Holes, in the southbound direction.

The up platform at monsaldale is timber not stone. I am not sure that in 1899 they had the technology to acurately superimpose a different background to the station without it being noticable so I have taken it that the train does emerge from the tunnel and then proceeds to the station. The exit from Monsaldale is quite different.

[t-b-g]

I am no Midland expert but when the film was made,  Dore and Totley was still just double track. Could that be a reason folk are struggling to find it as most photos are after the widening?

[Jamiel]

Thanks to Tony and CCtransuk I was advised on how to seal transfers on clear surfaces. ‘Klear’ has now become ‘Pledge, Revive It, Floor Gloss’, but works fine to seal transfers.

 

The Class 120 is progressing slowly as ever, but hopefully I can post some images of it finished before too long.

Jamie

[The Fatadder]

33 minutes ago, Jamiel said:

Thanks to Tony and CCtransuk I was advised on how to seal transfers on clear surfaces. ‘Klear’ has now become ‘Pledge, Revive It, Floor Gloss’, but works fine to seal transfers.

 

The Class 120 is progressing slowly as ever, but hopefully I can post some images of it finished before too long.

Jamie

very useful to know, having just opened my last bottle of the original formula Klear for ballasting on Friday.   With all these extra uses for it I am going to need more. 

[The Fatadder]

33 minutes ago, Jamiel said:

Thanks to Tony and CCtransuk I was advised on how to seal transfers on clear surfaces. ‘Klear’ has now become ‘Pledge, Revive It, Floor Gloss’, but works fine to seal transfers.

 

The Class 120 is progressing slowly as ever, but hopefully I can post some images of it finished before too long.

Jamie

very useful to know, having just opened my last bottle of the original formula Klear for ballasting on Friday.   With all these extra uses for it I am going to need more. 

[Lecorbusier]

49 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

I am no Midland expert but when the film was made,  Dore and Totley was still just double track. Could that be a reason folk are struggling to find it as most photos are after the widening?

I initially thought of the Dore and Totley ... but the stonework is much grander

[Compound2632]

The two train sequences could be as early as 1896, according to this. 

[t-b-g]

54 minutes ago, Lecorbusier said:

I initially thought of the Dore and Totley ... but the stonework is much grander

 

I was thinking about the station rather than the tunnel. It was heavily rebuilt in 1901/2 when the line was quadrupled. It might explain why people are struggling to identify the station. Some of the tunnel portals around there doesn't have the ornate stonework. Bradway Tunnel being one. The South Portal there could be the one in the film. The film would have been made only a few years after the tunnel was built, so the ground around would still be relatively "clean" from growth.

[cctransuk]

2 hours ago, Jamiel said:

Thanks to Tony and CCtransuk I was advised on how to seal transfers on clear surfaces. ‘Klear’ has now become ‘Pledge, Revive It, Floor Gloss’, but works fine to seal transfers.

 

The Class 120 is progressing slowly as ever, but hopefully I can post some images of it finished before too long.

Jamie

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news - but your NO SMOKING labels are upside down.

 

Sorry,

John Isherwood.

[Jamiel]

On 19/04/2020 at 21:55, cctransuk said:

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news - but your NO SMOKING labels are upside down.

 

Sorry,

John Isherwood.

 
Rats!

Good job I have a few left. Thank you for letting me know.

I guess that open up the topic, what will removes a 'Klear/Pledge' fixed transfer from a clear window?

Off to try some white spirit.

Jamie

Edited April 21, 2020 by Jamiel

[LNER4479]

Fascinated by the Midland Railway tunnel conundrum. Not sure it's on the Peak line at all. Will keep researching.

 

Meanwhile, here is my Covid work achieved so far:

 

Work on making the connecting lines to the Shap Bank scene on my Carlisle scheme...

 

Test build for the G-Train B7 kit ...

 

Commission build of a GNR 218DD twin ...

 

Undergubbins installed on middle coaches for Grantham's GNR Quint set.

 

And, with the lockdown set to continue for a few weeks yet, I'm going to have a crack at a start-to-finish Covid project, hopefully as a permanent reminder to look back on when all this is over:

This kit has been in the build pile for more than five years now. I have got everything I need to make it, wheels, motor/gears, etc so I'll be making a start later and reporting progress on the Grantham thread. My previous 'record' for making up a loco kit is five weeks (a DJH Std 5MT) so I'm hoping that I can beat that.

 

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by LNER4479

[Orion]

29 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

 

I was thinking about the station rather than the tunnel. It was heavily rebuilt in 1901/2 when the line was quadrupled. It might explain why people are struggling to identify the station. Some of the tunnel portals around there doesn't have the ornate stonework. Bradway Tunnel being one. The South Portal there could be the one in the film. The film would have been made only a few years after the tunnel was built, so the ground around would still be relatively "clean" from growth.

That suggestion seems very warm. Old maps show a straight section of track just before the south portal of the  tunnel and a PW hut on the up side. Looking at recent images the land around the south portal looks a bit high to be the one in the film. Could it be the north portal of Bradway tunnel? that was on a curve but I can't find any photos. In any event, the station at the end of the film might well be somewhere else altogether. No guarantee the train came out of the same tunnel.

[Erichill16]

Tony,

Sorry for delay in getting back to you but I understand that want you would want out of a layout would be quite strain. I know a small engine shed layout or branch line doesn’t float your boat. At least you do have a ‘presence’ on the exhibition circuit with your demonstrations and guest appearances on other people’s layouts.  you’ve also got plenty of kits still to make and your other interests.

Anyway, I’ve managed to finish these four Parkside BR hopper wagons today, the only modelling I’ve done under lockdown. 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Erichill16
Typo

[Lecorbusier]

1 hour ago, t-b-g said:

 

I was thinking about the station rather than the tunnel. It was heavily rebuilt in 1901/2 when the line was quadrupled. It might explain why people are struggling to identify the station. Some of the tunnel portals around there doesn't have the ornate stonework. Bradway Tunnel being one. The South Portal there could be the one in the film. The film would have been made only a few years after the tunnel was built, so the ground around would still be relatively "clean" from growth.

Bradway Tunnel (South) looks promising. The portal design is certainly close - though the coping isn't quite right. but to me the lay of the land doesn't seem quite so precipitous and has more of a feeling of rolling country.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Lecorbusier

[LNER4479]

11 minutes ago, Orion said:

That suggestion seems very warm. Old maps show a straight section of track just before the south portal of the  tunnel and a PW hut on the up side. Looking at recent images the land around the south portal looks a bit high to be the one in the film. Could it be the north portal of Bradway tunnel? that was on a curve but I can't find any photos. In any event, the station at the end of the film might well be somewhere else altogether. No guarantee the train came out of the same tunnel.

 

I don't see how it can be a combination of Dore / Bradway. If you look again at the station picture ...

... you can see the parapet of a short viaduct / long bridge so the railway looks to be crossing a river or road approaching the station - you can see the trees to the left of the railway obviously growing from a level lower than the station. That doesn't 'fit' Dore at all, as it's all in a deep cutting south of the station as well as a significant curve.

 

Nothing immediately springs to mind at the moment; I'll keep head-scratching - I love 'spot the location' puzzles!

 

[31A]

35 minutes ago, Jamiel said:

 
Rats!

Good job it have a few left. Thank you for letting me know.

I guess that open up the topic, what will removes a 'Klear/Pledge' fixed transfer from a clear window?

Off to try some white spirit.

Jamie

 

I think Meths might take it off.  Based on the mess I've made when trying to put Methfix transfers on top of it!

 

[Lecorbusier]

6 minutes ago, LNER4479 said:

 

I don't see how it can be a combination of Dore / Bradway. If you look again at the station picture ...

... you can see the parapet of a short viaduct / long bridge so the railway looks to be crossing a river or road approaching the station - you can see the trees to the left of the railway obviously growing from a level lower than the station. That doesn't 'fit' Dore at all, as it's all in a deep cutting south of the station as well as a significant curve.

 

Nothing immediately springs to mind at the moment; I'll keep head-scratching - I love 'spot the location' puzzles!

 

I agree ... I can't help feeling it might be somewhere else entirely ... ie not the sheffield/peakdistrict lines at all.

[Northmoor]

37 minutes ago, Orion said:

That suggestion seems very warm. Old maps show a straight section of track just before the south portal of the  tunnel and a PW hut on the up side. Looking at recent images the land around the south portal looks a bit high to be the one in the film. Could it be the north portal of Bradway tunnel? that was on a curve but I can't find any photos. In any event, the station at the end of the film might well be somewhere else altogether. No guarantee the train came out of the same tunnel.

Even the current view from the A61 suggests that's a possible.  I'm still stumped on the station at the end though, I'd forgotten the track curved from Monsal Dale onto the viaduct that much (and the wooden platforms).

Rob

 

Edit: I think the station may be Esholt, on the Shipley to Ilkley line.  The train is approaching from Ilkley.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Northmoor
New info.....

[Orion]

3 minutes ago, Lecorbusier said:

I agree ... I can't help feeling it might be somewhere else entirely ... ie not the sheffield/peakdistrict lines at all.

The south portal of Bradway Tunnel is pretty inaccessible, whereas a road ran next to the north portal on the east side. Can't find a photo though. It was rural then but built up now.