Wright writes.....

[jamie92208]

I would certainly go for the first picture Tony as I feel that it gives the best overall impression of the layout.  

 

On another note can I say a thank you to Dibateg as he gave me the nudge to fit proper valve gear on my 4F. I made a start on it yesterday and managed to drill a Con Rod big end to take a 14BA bolt, without breaking any drill bits. Various parts of the valve gear are in this photo.

I'll now be making some sub assemblies whilst I wait for a 14BA tap to arrive and for our lockdown to be eased so that I can visit a friend who has a 3/16" parallel reamer for the cranks. To fit the existing frames, I've thinned down the crank webs considerably and changed the bearings on this axle from the one on theright to the one to the left of it.  

 

Jamie

Edited May 8, 2020 by jamie92208

[2750Papyrus]

Photo no 1. 

 

Re: the date of the prototype photo:  when did upper quadrants replace somersault signals at LB?

[dibateg]

Sorry to hijack your thread Tony - 

Jamie - the next step is more tricky. This is the crank for my 2P, it involves drilling, pinning and a blowtorch,  PM me if you want more information on how I did it:-

 

and the Q1:-

 

Tony Gs comment made me think - it's the low angle, natural viewpoint photos that look so good. One of the reasons I've built my railway quite high...

 

Regards

Tony

Edited May 8, 2020 by dibateg
found another picture!

[richard i]

32 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Jesse,

 

It is based on a prototype photograph (courtesy of the Willoughby Arms; which captions the photograph as being taken in 1953. This can't be right, and your question for the day is why not?). 

 

 

This, in fact, is the Up 'Tees-Tyne Pullman' ('The Hadrian Bar' can be made out as the fifth car). 

 

 

And my interpretation; this time the Up 'Yorkshire Pullman'.

 

The camera and physics mean I cannot get exactly the same angle, but I think it's near enough.

 

This, of course, to me, is the 'acid test' for railway modelling. That of comparing a picture of the real thing with a picture of the model; something impossible to do with 'made-up' layouts. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Your missing the two pieces of track in the ballast by the ballast bin at the platform end.  A job for lockdown? 
great photo as is though. 
richard 

[St Enodoc]

16 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Ian Wilson is redesigning it (for me to hand out in better times) and one of the following three shots will be chosen for the cover........

 

 

The first one works best for me.

Edited May 8, 2020 by St Enodoc
saving space

[St Enodoc]

10 hours ago, Willie Whizz said:

 

Hmmm.  Oh well, here goes:  As the old joke says:  I've got a twelve-incher - but I don't use it as a rule ...

 

(Sorry - I'll get me coat ...)

I'll set 'em up, you knock 'em down.

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, 2750Papyrus said:

Photo no 1. 

 

Re: the date of the prototype photo:  when did upper quadrants replace somersault signals at LB?

They were being replaced before the War. 

 

Any post-War picture I've found shows upper-quadrant semaphores (which lasted until 1975/'76). 

 

The clue to the date is not the signals, though the rotating GNR ground signal in the foreground was replaced by a BR disc in the late-'50s. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, richard i said:

Your missing the two pieces of track in the ballast by the ballast bin at the platform end.  A job for lockdown? 
great photo as is though. 
richard 

But the prototype picture is at least three years earlier than LB's depiction.

 

Nobody seems to have figured out yet why the date of 1953 for the prototype picture is incorrect...........................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, dibateg said:

Sorry to hijack your thread Tony - 

Jamie - the next step is more tricky. This is the crank for my 2P, it involves drilling, pinning and a blowtorch,  PM me if you want more information on how I did it:-

 

and the Q1:-

 

Tony Gs comment made me think - it's the low angle, natural viewpoint photos that look so good. One of the reasons I've built my railway quite high...

 

Regards

Tony

Nobody need apologise for putting wonderful modelling on this thread, Tony.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Clive Mortimore]

2 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

But the prototype picture is at least three years earlier than LB's depiction.

 

Nobody seems to have figured out yet why the date of 1953 for the prototype picture is incorrect...........................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Hello Tony

 

I am not sure when the flat bottom track was laid but 1953 does sound a little early but it was in place by the late 1950s.

 

Looking at the locomotive it appears to have the 1956 BR emblem not the earlier BR totem.

 

 

[31A]

6 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

But the prototype picture is at least three years earlier than LB's depiction.

 

Nobody seems to have figured out yet why the date of 1953 for the prototype picture is incorrect...........................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

Loco has a 'plain' double chimney rather than one with a lip round it?

 

[Tony Wright]

1 minute ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hello Tony

 

I am not sure when the flat bottom track was laid but 1953 does sound a little early but it was in place by the late 1950s.

 

Looking at the locomotive it appears to have the 1956 BR emblem not the earlier BR totem.

 

 

Good morning Clive,

 

The clue is not the trackwork - the fast lines were laid with flat bottom rail quite early. In fact, the model Bytham's fast lines are really incorrect, being laid with bullhead rail.

 

On the original prototype picture, the A1 has the early BR device, not the later one.

 

You'll have to keep trying.......................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

7 minutes ago, 31A said:

 

Loco has a 'plain' double chimney rather than one with a lip round it?

 

Though not entirely apparent on my (poor) scan, the A1 has a lipped (later-style) chimney, not the plain one. It might have had this by 1953, anyway. 

 

However, you're getting warmer. The clue is the loco.............................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Edited May 8, 2020 by Tony Wright
to clarify a point

[Northmoor]

Would it not have been an A1 on the TTP in 1953?

 

Rob

Edited May 8, 2020 by Northmoor

[Headstock]

19 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Though not entirely apparent on my (poor) scan, the A1 has a lipped (later-style) chimney, not the plain one. It might have had this by 1953, anyway. 

 

However, you're getting warmer. The clue is the loco.............................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

Morning Tony,

 

dead easy, it's the number plate.

[Tony Wright]

27 minutes ago, Headstock said:

 

Morning Tony,

 

dead easy, it's the number plate.

Morning Andrew,

 

Spot on.

 

The front numberplates on the Thompson/Peppercorn Pacifics were moved down to the top hingestrap from 1955 onward.....

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[juke]

Re the A2  Slide Bar:

 

Thanks very much Tony and Theakerr for all your advice, it's invaluable. I'm getting an order sorted so I can get started.

While looking for a suitable motion set I found a pair of suitable slide bars and motion brackets. I'll be very careful about

the length! Might be worth trying the copper tube mod at the same time.

I thought I would change the motion sets but they don't seem to suit the A2, this from Wizard site.

I emailed them and the answer was no, unless the dimensions are the same as the A3/A4.

 

It's a pity I don't know what paint was used as I'd like to sort the plates.

 

Regards

 

Syd

[richard i]

3 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

But the prototype picture is at least three years earlier than LB's depiction.

 

Nobody seems to have figured out yet why the date of 1953 for the prototype picture is incorrect...........................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Chimney on the A1 has a lip?  Others guessed before me and answer given 

Edited May 8, 2020 by richard i
Others beat me to it.

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, juke said:

Re the A2  Slide Bar:

 

Thanks very much Tony and Theakerr for all your advice, it's invaluable. I'm getting an order sorted so I can get started.

While looking for a suitable motion set I found a pair of suitable slide bars and motion brackets. I'll be very careful about

the length! Might be worth trying the copper tube mod at the same time.

I thought I would change the motion sets but they don't seem to suit the A2, this from Wizard site.

I emailed them and the answer was no, unless the dimensions are the same as the A3/A4.

 

It's a pity I don't know what paint was used as I'd like to sort the plates.

 

Regards

 

Syd

My mistake, Syd,

 

I thought Comet did a motion set for an A2. The slidebars and crossheads would suit (the latter are available separately, though not the slidebars).

 

SE Finecast definitely makes a motion set for an A2. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[juke]

No problem Tony, while I was searching I came across a fret for two front bogie brackets which is a real find as I mislaid same from a Hornby A4.

Hornby don't have this as a spare so it's great to get this.

 

I have straightened the motion components on the A2 temporarily and couldn't resist trying it with the GA coaches. It pulled away with just the slightest wheel slip and really belted down the straights.

 

I checked the SE site and I see it's a 'phone call required so I'll try them tomorrow, I guess they'll be closed today. It will be nice to get a new set for this.

 

Regards

 

Syd

 

[ROY@34F]

Tony, 

One thing I noticed on the pullman photos .  Nothing to do with what you're talking about .  There's not enough coal in the tender on the model . I often think this on many photos of models . Remember we always filled up with coal on this main line . I can't speak for other areas , but you wouldn't see a tender like that in my opinion , even if the engine has come through from Newcastle .

 

Regards , Roy .

 

 

[Ray Flintoft]

Three more views on Sowerby Road M.P.D.

 1. Little Engines 04/8 no . 63788 in typical condition on the ash pits .

2. A general view of a rather crowded shed yard .

3. A trio of B.1's are prepared for their next turn . No's 61250 & 61337 are both Nu-Cast kits whilst no 61016 is an early Bachman , which is still , touch wood ,a good runner .

  That's it for now , though I will show other photos when it contributes to the general thread .

                                     Cheers ,

                                               Ray .

[gordon s]

Of course if that were you on the end of the platform in 1953, you would have been in short trousers......

Edited May 8, 2020 by gordon s

[t-b-g]

I mentioned my Dad's photos earlier. I haven't posted many anywhere before but in view of the recent discussions about 2-8-0s, I dug out one and have scanned that and a couple more. The A4 is 60033 on the Up Talisman on 30th Oct 1959, at Abbot's Ripton. I know where the O2 and the Ivatt 2-6-0 are because he was very good at making notes on the back. Anybody want to guess? A clue, two different locations in the same town.

 

 

I would add that these have been scanned from tiny "contact prints" of no more than 2 1/2" square, so the quality is not fantastic but they don't look too bad on a big screen!

Edited May 8, 2020 by t-b-g
Spelling

[t-b-g]

One more for now. No prizes for the loco or the location! The date is 5th June 1950.

 

 

If Tony W is OK with me putting things like this on, I will add a few more as I find them.