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9 minutes ago, Clem said:

Good afternoon Tony and all. I hope everyone is safe and well.

 

I've been dipping in and out of my DJH WD construction and I have made a little progress but I must confess to being a little stuck on the valve gear and would welcome any advice. Usually, if building a loco with outside Walschaerts valve gear set in mid-gear (as most do), the radius rod is usually fixed at both ends, the front end to eliminate any up and down movement initiated by the movement of the combination lever. Having looked at the instructions, I can't see how this is done. Have I got this completely wrong? Do I need to drill out the valves and add a valve spinal?  Any suggestions?

 

Thanks in anticipation.

 

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I'll have a look, Clem,

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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21 minutes ago, 65179 said:

One of the things that makes the front of the big GC locos tricky is that they look quite different depending on the period of their 'lives' you see them in.

 

New B3 Valour:

 

Great Central Railway (UK) - GCR Class 9P 4-6-0 steam locomotive Nr. 1165 "Valour" (GCR Gorton Works, 1920)

 

Vs late life B7, a burnt smokebox distorting the apparent shape of the door is shown in this view of a B7 on Mike Morant's site:

 

GCR, Robinson designed 'Valour Goods' B7/1 class 4-6-0 no. 61705 at Sheffield Victoria. Built at Gorton works in April 1922, 61705 had been BR numbered in May 1949 and would be withdrawn in February 1950 whilst allocated to Sheffield Darnall mpd. [Mike Morant collection]

 

 

Simon

 

I know which version I prefer!

 

Edit to add, just spotted the thread has passed another milestone. 45,000 comments and rising! Well done to all who have had their say.

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13 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

 

I know which version I prefer!

 

The latter is certainly characterful, and the only real option for a British Railways B7. 61711 with a full set of snap head rivets on the smoke box, lopped off guard irons and the same daubed on black paint across the bottom of the smoke box door looked even sadder!

 

Simon

 

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Austerity valve gear........

 

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I didn't fix the front ends of the radius rods (omitting the valve rods, which can't be seen, anyway). 

 

There's an extension just ahead of the pivot for the expansion link, and I soldered this to the (white metal) motion support bracket. This anchored the radius rods just fine. 

 

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I think the DJH WD makes-up very well. 

 

The little extension can just be seen in this view.

 

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Typical workaday condition? 

 

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Ian Wilson's Pacific Models' front numberplate just finished it off (prior to weathering). 

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13 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Austerity valve gear........

 

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I didn't fix the front ends of the radius rods (omitting the valve rods, which can't be seen, anyway). 

 

There's an extension just ahead of the pivot for the expansion link, and I soldered this to the (white metal) motion support bracket. This anchored the radius rods just fine. 

 

1782322729_Austerity11.jpg.a22db71c453de5487bf5dd5dd71b8d16.jpg

 

1580537522_Austerity13.jpg.7175205bef51177a08199bd8d0d8486f.jpg

 

I think the DJH WD makes-up very well. 

 

The little extension can just be seen in this view.

 

1445948493_Austerity15painted.jpg.d3df71cb82865d30ec8e91aa9533dcd1.jpg

 

Typical workaday condition? 

 

1904105447_Pacificnumberplates06.jpg.540001f3e1267d198aad90ae3e2fca22.jpg

 

Ian Wilson's Pacific Models' front numberplate just finished it off (prior to weathering). 

Thank you, Tony. That never occurred to me....  And what a brilliant way to answer a question!  With superb illustrations which couldn't be more clear. Right, I'll give that a go. I've made one or two bloopers on the kit so far but I suppose you only make progress by learning from mistakes. Anyway, best wishes to you and Mo.

Clem.

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Austerity valve gear........

 

540794791_Austerity10.jpg.5c89de1a590d4b57babab24e54d84e3c.jpg

 

I didn't fix the front ends of the radius rods (omitting the valve rods, which can't be seen, anyway). 

 

There's an extension just ahead of the pivot for the expansion link, and I soldered this to the (white metal) motion support bracket. This anchored the radius rods just fine. 

 

1782322729_Austerity11.jpg.a22db71c453de5487bf5dd5dd71b8d16.jpg

 

1580537522_Austerity13.jpg.7175205bef51177a08199bd8d0d8486f.jpg

 

I think the DJH WD makes-up very well. 

 

The little extension can just be seen in this view.

 

1445948493_Austerity15painted.jpg.d3df71cb82865d30ec8e91aa9533dcd1.jpg

 

Typical workaday condition? 

 

1904105447_Pacificnumberplates06.jpg.540001f3e1267d198aad90ae3e2fca22.jpg

 

Ian Wilson's Pacific Models' front numberplate just finished it off (prior to weathering). 

Fabulous Model

 

David

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3 minutes ago, landscapes said:

Fabulous Model

 

David

Thanks David,

 

But you want to see Tony Geary's O Gauge WD to witness a 'fabulous' model.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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7 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks David,

 

But you want to see Tony Geary's O Gauge WD to witness a 'fabulous' model.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

I know you tend to be quite modest about your modelling Tony but any 4mm model that can look like that blown up on a big screen many times life size and look that good qualifies as fabulous in my book. Some models just seem to have a "presence" that is very hard to define or describe.

 

That Austerity has it!

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33 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

 

I know you tend to be quite modest about your modelling Tony but any 4mm model that can look like that blown up on a big screen many times life size and look that good qualifies as fabulous in my book. Some models just seem to have a "presence" that is very hard to define or describe.

 

That Austerity has it!

Thanks Tony, 

 

Someone once said to me that modesty was not one of his failings. An amusing turn of phrase. 

 

I've said before that it's been my privilege to photograph some of the finest railway models ever made, so I'm always aware of these when I look at what I make; and comment accordingly.

 

I'm wary of observations which are over-effusive. We've had 'masterpiece' used of late, which I'd use as an adjective for very few models. Perhaps Hursley from a few years back might qualify, layout-wise. Or, the more-recent Semley. And, Geoff Kent's Black Lion Crossing is well on the way to that status. The Gravett's work is truly that of a master (and mistress?). 

 

I'd certainly call Buckingham the work of an 'old master'.

 

What really appeals to me are those creations where the owner has done most (if not all) of the work by him/herself. 'Masterpieces' have been created by the power of the pen and chequebook, but many lack the personal touch.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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5 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

And so to the solitary A1/1.

 

I did build my example from a Crownline kit, and its construction was written up in an issue of Modelling Railways Illustrated in the mid-'90s (does anyone know which issue, please?). 

 

It replaced one I scratch-built in the mid-'70s. 

 

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Did I have any problems with the Crownline kit? Only the resin boiler, which was very poor. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

Hi Tony,

The Crownline A1/1 Review was in Morrill Volume 4 No. 2, dated October 1996 - page 7 onwards.  An excellent nine page kit review article - those were the days....

(Morril was, in my view perhaps the best finescale Model Railway Magazine - an MRJ without the "Rivet Counting".  In all fairness, MRJ is vastly improved compared to those days - and the only magazine I subscribe to; the other excellent magazine is S4 News, which comes with Scalefour Society membership (even though I don't model in P4).   Sadly Morrill is no more - it went very downhill in the last couple of issues and shut down soon afterwards :cry:

 

Incidentally, when Dave King (Crownline) was invited to respond to your review he wrote:

"We like resin boilers.  It saves us a lot of work (and therefore cost) and also saves some builders a lot of mistakes.  Maybe they can be better and I'm sure they will be; it's early days yet.  Remember that the wheel didn't have spokes at first, but they soon caught on - who'd be without them now?  Sorry Tony:  resin is in and getting stronger by the day - just put on a brave face!"

 

Dave King wrote that 23 years ago.  Does that make resin boilers the "Marmite" of loco kits? ;)

 

2 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Austerity valve gear........

 

540794791_Austerity10.jpg.5c89de1a590d4b57babab24e54d84e3c.jpg

 

I didn't fix the front ends of the radius rods (omitting the valve rods, which can't be seen, anyway). 

 

There's an extension just ahead of the pivot for the expansion link, and I soldered this to the (white metal) motion support bracket. This anchored the radius rods just fine. 

 

1782322729_Austerity11.jpg.a22db71c453de5487bf5dd5dd71b8d16.jpg

 

1580537522_Austerity13.jpg.7175205bef51177a08199bd8d0d8486f.jpg

 

I think the DJH WD makes-up very well. 

 

The little extension can just be seen in this view.

 

1445948493_Austerity15painted.jpg.d3df71cb82865d30ec8e91aa9533dcd1.jpg

 

Typical workaday condition? 

 

1904105447_Pacificnumberplates06.jpg.540001f3e1267d198aad90ae3e2fca22.jpg

 

Ian Wilson's Pacific Models' front numberplate just finished it off (prior to weathering). 

 

 

I'm unable to open any of the jpg attachments - is anyone else having the same problem?

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5 minutes ago, polybear said:

 

 

I'm unable to open any of the jpg attachments - is anyone else having the same problem?

 

Same here, they aren't appearing at all.

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15 minutes ago, polybear said:

 

Hi Tony,

The Crownline A1/1 Review was in Morrill Volume 4 No. 2, dated October 1996 - page 7 onwards.  An excellent nine page kit review article - those were the days....

(Morril was, in my view perhaps the best finescale Model Railway Magazine - an MRJ without the "Rivet Counting".  In all fairness, MRJ is vastly improved compared to those days - and the only magazine I subscribe to; the other excellent magazine is S4 News, which comes with Scalefour Society membership (even though I don't model in P4).   Sadly Morrill is no more - it went very downhill in the last couple of issues and shut down soon afterwards :cry:

 

Incidentally, when Dave King (Crownline) was invited to respond to your review he wrote:

"We like resin boilers.  It saves us a lot of work (and therefore cost) and also saves some builders a lot of mistakes.  Maybe they can be better and I'm sure they will be; it's early days yet.  Remember that the wheel didn't have spokes at first, but they soon caught on - who'd be without them now?  Sorry Tony:  resin is in and getting stronger by the day - just put on a brave face!"

 

Dave King wrote that 23 years ago.  Does that make resin boilers the "Marmite" of loco kits? ;)

 

 

 

I'm unable to open any of the jpg attachments - is anyone else having the same problem?

Yup, same here

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Regarding the inability to open jpegs, I don't think it's my fault. 

 

They're put on in exactly the same way. 

 

Perhaps the moderators can investigate?

 

Anyway, a bit more progress on the SEF A3......

 

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It should all be finished by mid-week.......

 

 

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23 minutes ago, polybear said:

 

Hi Tony,

The Crownline A1/1 Review was in Morrill Volume 4 No. 2, dated October 1996 - page 7 onwards.  An excellent nine page kit review article - those were the days....

(Morril was, in my view perhaps the best finescale Model Railway Magazine - an MRJ without the "Rivet Counting".  In all fairness, MRJ is vastly improved compared to those days - and the only magazine I subscribe to; the other excellent magazine is S4 News, which comes with Scalefour Society membership (even though I don't model in P4).   Sadly Morrill is no more - it went very downhill in the last couple of issues and shut down soon afterwards :cry:

 

Incidentally, when Dave King (Crownline) was invited to respond to your review he wrote:

"We like resin boilers.  It saves us a lot of work (and therefore cost) and also saves some builders a lot of mistakes.  Maybe they can be better and I'm sure they will be; it's early days yet.  Remember that the wheel didn't have spokes at first, but they soon caught on - who'd be without them now?  Sorry Tony:  resin is in and getting stronger by the day - just put on a brave face!"

 

Dave King wrote that 23 years ago.  Does that make resin boilers the "Marmite" of loco kits? ;)

 

 

 

I'm unable to open any of the jpg attachments - is anyone else having the same problem?

Thanks Brian,

 

I do have a copy, but where??????

 

It's a pity MORILL disappeared, but that's the way it goes. After Iain Rice left, Jim Woods tried his best but it was not to be.

 

I have no idea why the jpegs don't open. I'm doing nothing different.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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11 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Brian,

 

I do have a copy, but where??????

 

It's a pity MORILL disappeared, but that's the way it goes. After Iain Rice left, Jim Woods tried his best but it was not to be.

 

I have no idea why the jpegs don't open. I'm doing nothing different.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Hi Tony

 

Your Jpeg photos were available to see when I looked at them about an hour ago showing the WD Valve gear construction, but not any more, could be an RMWeb issue?

 

Regards

 

David

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5 hours ago, 45609 said:

Tony, you are so right. That’s one of the best looking GCR faces in model form I have ever seen. Well done. Just the top handrail and lamp iron to do now....:D

 

cheers...Morgan

 

Thanks Morgan. Coming from somebody with your skills and abilities, that means a lot to me.

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8 hours ago, ScRSG said:

Tony,

A question if I may. Working on a DJH A2/2 at the moment, it was one of the ones with pre-assembled valve gear and was originally supplied with wheels which had large crank pins already fitted (before DJH stopped supplying wheels) . So the valve gear is etched to suit with very large holes which will be far to big for standard Romford crank pins - any advice on how you may have solved this problem?

Thanks

Chas

Can you make a slide over bushing from a piece of tubing to fit over the Romford Crank Pin?

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What Browser and OS are you and I who cannot see the pictures using?  When I was using Safari I had some problems like this from time to time.  I am  using MAC OS Mojave and Firefox now but it may be a similar issue. 

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I think something odd happened. I had to edit my post in reply to Tony (t-b-g) because Tony Wright's WD images were appearing in my post! After my edit I could still see them in Tony's post, but not now I return. Very strange!

 

Simon

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23 hours ago, Northmoor said:

 

They all did, in my experience......

 

Indeed yes, the best-looking girls at school usually did have an 'older and bigger boyfriend'.  Not invariably, however ...

 

At my mixed-sex Local Authority grammar school, most of us lads were rather slow to take an interest - too familiar with what was under our noses every day to notice, I suppose.  But the 'penny dropped' in the Lower Sixth, and we all began to lust after a gorgeous girl (of Ukrainian extraction  IIRC) with long blonde hair, a wonderful figure, and a genuinely sweet personality.  We were all utterly stunned a few months later to learn  that she was going outwith a youth from the Upper Sixth who had, I kid you not, greasy crinkly hair and the very worst case of acne you've ever seen in your whole life; quite literally more spots than clear skin. 

 

"Why on Earth is H*** going out with HIM?", we asked one of the more approachable female classmates.

 

"Because she got fed up of waiting and waiting for any one of you timid twits to make a move!" came the reply.  Oh, how we cursed ourselves.

 

Sometimes you really did just need to have the nerve to actually ask!

 

(Though it helped also to have a thick skin to accept the rejections when it still didn't work, even then ...)

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39 minutes ago, 65179 said:

I think something odd happened. I had to edit my post in reply to Tony (t-b-g) because Tony Wright's WD images were appearing in my post! After my edit I could still see them in Tony's post, but not now I return. Very strange!

 

Simon

 

So it's YOUR fault.....  :D

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10 hours ago, grob1234 said:

Hello Tony,

 

It's been a while...

 

I've been browsing this topic for a few weeks now, and due to a lack of any model making related activity I haven't posted.

 

However, seeing your model of Minoru, inspired me to photograph my own interpretation of this locomotive. In a similar stage of construction, mine is from DJH, and will of course be finished in Green as no 2561.

 

I hope you and Mo are keeping well, and any nasty viruses are being kept at bay. Perhaps one day, both completed models can stand side by side on the metals of Little Bytham.

 

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All the best,

Tom

 

 

Hi Tom,

 

Nice to see you posting again. Hopefully there is a new Youtube video in the works?

 

All the best

 

Steve

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1 hour ago, Theakerr said:

Can you make a slide over bushing from a piece of tubing to fit over the Romford Crank Pin?

 

Thanks, I have, using a set of frame alignment jigs to solder the washers I found on to the coupling rods, so I am hopeful that this will work OK. My remaining concern will come when soldering crank pin washers etc. that this will not come adrift. I have used higher melt solder for the washers and will use 145 or 100 degree solder for the rest. Fingers crossed!

Chas

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12 hours ago, grob1234 said:

Hello Tony,

 

It's been a while...

 

I've been browsing this topic for a few weeks now, and due to a lack of any model making related activity I haven't posted.

 

However, seeing your model of Minoru, inspired me to photograph my own interpretation of this locomotive. In a similar stage of construction, mine is from DJH, and will of course be finished in Green as no 2561.

 

I hope you and Mo are keeping well, and any nasty viruses are being kept at bay. Perhaps one day, both completed models can stand side by side on the metals of Little Bytham.

 

IMG_5944.jpg.0b35a58c4106ab764787626e0c6e464c.jpg

 

All the best,

Tom

 

 

Blimey! I'm well behind the times. Welcome back Tom. Where have you been hiding?

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13 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Not mine, of course, David,

 

But they're just how I saw these magnificent locos.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

Hello Tony, thanks again for your inspiring thread and the recent superb photos of A3s in late-BR days.

 

On the vexed subject of A3 valve gear geometry, especially the RTR 00 Hornby version, I know the downward tilt of the eccentric rod is extreme but was it it not sometimes evident regardless?  I suspect you are building one such valve gear arrangement this week and wonder about this Keith Pirt photo below showing a distinct downward-sloping rod, not entirely unlike the Hornby model ?

 

How tricky it must be to get this particular engine 'right' in this regard!

 

I can also see why the Hornby bogie wheels must annoy you. :)

 

I look forward to progress on your current 1959-60 'Minoru'. Thanks for your progress pictures, they are inspiring.

 

Picture by Keith Pirt, apologies for my poor reproduction of it.

 

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