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27 minutes ago, Woodcock29 said:

Further to my comments above re positioning of gas lamps/ventilators over centrally located toilets in GN Howlden stock I remembered to have a look at the 3-D printed 6-wheelers by MIke Trice on Shapeways. The Dia 84 first  roof has three holes across the centre line of the coach suggesting the same arrangement of fittings as Bill Bedford has on his Dia 148. So I'm still confused as to how this arrangement might work in reality?

 

Andrew 

Has anyone asked Bill Bedford this question . He must have information to design it so, in the first place ??

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Tony Geary built a beautiful DJH 8F which ran on Leighford, Stoke and Charwelton.

 

I photographed it, and it was written-up in a magazine (which one, I can't remember).

 

I wonder what happened to it?

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Further to my comments above re positioning of gas lamps/ventilators over centrally located toilets in GN Howlden stock I remembered to have a look at the 3-D printed 6-wheelers by MIke Trice on Shapeways. The Dia 84 first  roof has three holes across the centre line of the coach suggesting the same arrangement of fittings as Bill Bedford has on his Dia 148. So I'm still confused as to how this arrangement might work in reality?

 

 

Andrew,

 

have a look at the thread on the 1938 train on the LNER forum - it may be on here as well, but I'm not as certain.  There's an aerial photo of the train which clearly shows the two toilet Firsts with a central gas lamp above the lavatories.  The partition ran on a slight diagonal between the compartments - there's no reason the lamp couldn't be set into the partition such that it illuminated both while still maintaining privacy?

 

The diagram book is completely unhelpful and doesn't show roof fittings at all.

 

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41 minutes ago, Woodcock29 said:

Further to my comments above re positioning of gas lamps/ventilators over centrally located toilets in GN Howlden stock I remembered to have a look at the 3-D printed 6-wheelers by MIke Trice on Shapeways. The Dia 84 first  roof has three holes across the centre line of the coach suggesting the same arrangement of fittings as Bill Bedford has on his Dia 148. So I'm still confused as to how this arrangement might work in reality?

 

Andrew 

 

I can't say that it applies in this case but I recall reading about carriages where one central light was used for two toilet compartments. The dividing partition either had a cut out at the top, around the lamp, or didn't go all the way to the roof, so both sides got some light. That could be the case here.

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24 minutes ago, dibateg said:

Camden shed looks impressive Iain - especially managing to tape together all those A4 sheets!

 

The Craftsman A5 - I built two of these, a nice little kit, but with some fundamental errors for the unwary. The width of the bunker is too narrow, it should be a few mm wider and present a 'big back' appearance. I think there was a mistake in one of the classic drawings that was used to design the kit. To me the cab looks too low and I suspect it was scaled from the top of the lip of the tank side and not the bottom. There was another kit, Wills maybe - it was chunkier in white metal, but the proportions looked better. I built 69800, which was a Leicester engine, but don't seem to have a photo of the model. Maybe you have one Tony?

 

8Fs - One of the things that converted me to 7mm scale was Richard Lamberts MOK 8F. A real Rolls Royce kit and a joy to build. I've always liked 8Fs since having the Hornby Dublo 48109 as a child. I borrowed Richards model whilst I built mine - I still don't think he's painted his one!

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That BR emblem looks rather yellow now...  48396 was a Canklow engine, I chose it as I had an excellent photo of it double heading a freight south from Woodford Halse with Bickmarsh Hall.. Here it is with A DJH Fairburn - which is at the opposite end of the spectrum, more errors and compromises and omissions, than you can imagine. So it's been heavily re-worked

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Regards

Tony

 

 

 

 

 

52F Models do a superb A5/1 and /2

 

https://www.52fmodels.org/gcr-class-9n-lner-br-class-a5-1

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, micklner said:

52F Models do a superb A5/1 and /2

 

https://www.52fmodels.org/gcr-class-9n-lner-br-class-a5-1

 

 

 

 

 

Good morning Mick,

 

I was going to have a crack at that kit this year, it looks really fab. Unfortunately, I have now acquired a backlog of other things to finish. Maybe next year, if there are still opportunities to make money.

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The whitemetal A5 was a NuCast kit.

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Thanks Andrew - I couldn't remember - Mick the 52F one looks superb! very nice. Looks like it is at High Wycombe... I'd love to have built one of those.

 

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Tony

 

 

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3 hours ago, 92220 said:

 

Continuing......

 

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I just have the tender totems to add, then weathering etc.  It runs well, and with plenty of lead on board, easily strolls away with 19 on (6 of which were full metal kits) in the storage yard.  Originally I was thinking of asking Geoff to paint it, but with the lockdown I thought I’d better become a bit more self-sufficient.  
 

A few carriages progressed with, some full kits (some of which were part completed by persons unknown when I bought them), some Comet sides on donors, and some plastic bashing.

 

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Iain

 

 

This is most-impressive work, Iain,

 

Thanks for showing us.

 

The painting on your 46245 is excellent.

 

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Up to Geoff's standard?

 

Interestingly, the '6' on this side didn't adhere over a rivet, so he replaced it. 

 

I certainly can't paint to this standard, nor yours.

 

If I can help with details of a control panel, I certainly will. Norman Solomon made/installed mine.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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3 hours ago, dibateg said:

Camden shed looks impressive Iain - especially managing to tape together all those A4 sheets!

 

The Craftsman A5 - I built two of these, a nice little kit, but with some fundamental errors for the unwary. The width of the bunker is too narrow, it should be a few mm wider and present a 'big back' appearance. I think there was a mistake in one of the classic drawings that was used to design the kit. To me the cab looks too low and I suspect it was scaled from the top of the lip of the tank side and not the bottom. There was another kit, Wills maybe - it was chunkier in white metal, but the proportions looked better. I built 69800, which was a Leicester engine, but don't seem to have a photo of the model. Maybe you have one Tony?

 

8Fs - One of the things that converted me to 7mm scale was Richard Lamberts MOK 8F. A real Rolls Royce kit and a joy to build. I've always liked 8Fs since having the Hornby Dublo 48109 as a child. I borrowed Richards model whilst I built mine - I still don't think he's painted his one!

P1000368.JPG.b1ac532aafa4393c9a7c7dd26b745099.JPG

 

That BR emblem looks rather yellow now...  48396 was a Canklow engine, I chose it as I had an excellent photo of it double heading a freight south from Woodford Halse with Bickmarsh Hall.. Here it is with A DJH Fairburn - which is at the opposite end of the spectrum, more errors and compromises and omissions, than you can imagine. So it's been heavily re-worked

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Regards

Tony

 

 

 

 

 

Good afternoon Tony,

 

I do have a picture of your A5......

 

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I'm delighted to now own it. A couple of things I did (would you believe it?) was to cure the characteristic squeak and fit more-appropriate bogie/pony wheels (though I think the pony should have one more spoke). 

 

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Last October, I obtained a part-built/part-dismantled Nu-Cast A5 (Wills never made one) from Roy Jackson's estate. Nobody seemed to know who the builder was, but I stripped it, rebuilt it and made an OO set of frames for it (I've yet to fit the brakes!). I then painted, lined, numbered, lettered and weathered it. 

 

Good enough as a layout loco, I think. 

 

Your 8F is superb. Fantastic work!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

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What a fantastic selection of modelling projects posted during the last 24 hours. 

 

Many thanks for showing us......

 

For myself, I've been taking a few more LB pictures; from elevated positions.

 

I asked myself the question, where could elevated views be obtained on the real thing? So, started off 'climbing' the ladder of the Up fast starter.........................

 

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Assuming some measure of contortionist ability on the part of the photographer (which can't have been me because I'm standing on the platform!), the three views above were obtained; by leaning out one way or  another from the ladder - no 'elf-'n'-safety in those far-off times. 

 

Fear of heights (that's me) prevented the photographer from climbing to the top of the signal.  

 

 

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15 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

I thought plunger pick-ups were a good idea, John,

 

Until I tried them.

 

Never again! They stuck, and for absolute adjustment the wheels had to be taken off too many times.

 

Now, I avoid them like the plague......

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

I have used them successfully in the past on a High Level pannier chassis. I only used the nylon sleeve from the Alan Gibson kit, substituting a length of brass rod for the plunger. This was drilled to take phosphor spring wire soldered to PCB strip in the same way that you would for bearing on the tyres. This gives much softer springing. See below.

 

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The next vantage point was the Down fast home's ladder.

 

By leaning out very far (dangerously!), the intrepid picture-taker managed to get this.

 

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This works less well because the too-tight curve into/out of the fiddle yard can be seen. 'Realism' is thus lost. 

 

A far safer shot was obtained from the footbridge steps.

 

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SANDWICH (Wills/Scratch/Wright) races northwards......

 

 

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The last bout of climbing for day the saw our photographer scaling the heights of the Down fast starter.

 

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Just in time to grab a shot of the northbound Queen of Scots. 

 

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And a little later on, a local freight.

 

Though I think these elevated shots 'work' (up to a degree), they do highlight the 'narrow gauge' appearance of OO Gauge - even finescale OO trackwork. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, dibateg said:

Camden shed looks impressive Iain - especially managing to tape together all those A4 sheets!

 

The Craftsman A5 - I built two of these, a nice little kit, but with some fundamental errors for the unwary. The width of the bunker is too narrow, it should be a few mm wider and present a 'big back' appearance. I think there was a mistake in one of the classic drawings that was used to design the kit. To me the cab looks too low and I suspect it was scaled from the top of the lip of the tank side and not the bottom. There was another kit, Wills maybe - it was chunkier in white metal, but the proportions looked better. I built 69800, which was a Leicester engine, but don't seem to have a photo of the model. Maybe you have one Tony?

 

8Fs - One of the things that converted me to 7mm scale was Richard Lamberts MOK 8F. A real Rolls Royce kit and a joy to build. I've always liked 8Fs since having the Hornby Dublo 48109 as a child. I borrowed Richards model whilst I built mine - I still don't think he's painted his one!

P1000368.JPG.b1ac532aafa4393c9a7c7dd26b745099.JPG

 

That BR emblem looks rather yellow now...  48396 was a Canklow engine, I chose it as I had an excellent photo of it double heading a freight south from Woodford Halse with Bickmarsh Hall.. Here it is with A DJH Fairburn - which is at the opposite end of the spectrum, more errors and compromises and omissions, than you can imagine. So it's been heavily re-worked

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Regards

Tony

 

 

 

 

 

Good afternoon Tony, It's pictures of models like these that provide the almost irresistible urge to drop everything 4mm and move up to 7. Luckily, common sense prevails and my head tells me it's too late in the day (metaphorically) and in any case, I would never have enough room, even if I had enough time left. These pictures really bring out the detail and feeling of sheer size of the real thing, though. Fantastic models and great finishing/weathering. If I were 25 years younger, I'd be very tempted to make the jump!

 

The white metal A5s you were referring too were Nucast. Here's an example of mine, 69807. It was one of the first white metal kits I built (it shows!), but I'm still very fond of it as it brings back memories of when they were common on the Nottingham-Derby and Pinxton trains in the late 50s. It now runs on scratch built chassis.

 

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D&S GCR MIlk van . Lovely little kit.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Clem said:

Good afternoon Tony, It's pictures of models like these that provide the almost irresistible urge to drop everything 4mm and move up to 7. Luckily, common sense prevails and my head tells me it's too late in the day (metaphorically) and in any case, I would never have enough room, even if I had enough time left. These pictures really bring out the detail and feeling of sheer size of the real thing, though. Fantastic models and great finishing/weathering. If I were 25 years younger, I'd be very tempted to make the jump!

 

The white metal A5s you were referring too were Nucast. Here's an example of mine, 69807. It was one of the first white metal kits I built (it shows!), but I'm still very fond of it as it brings back memories of when they were common on the Nottingham-Derby and Pinxton trains in the late 50s. It now runs on scratch built chassis.

 

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That's a very natural-looking A5, Clem,

 

I'm not surprised you're fond of it. 

 

I think they're a very elegant prototype - as handsome a Pacific tank as ever ran in this country.

 

Strange, isn't it, when Robinson turned the wheel arrangement round, it resulted in the only ugly engine he ever designed?

 

My sightings of the ex-GC big tanks were at Manchester London Road, towards the ends of the lives.

 

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I can certainly justify an A5 (or two) on LB, because a few were shedded at Grantham in the late-'50s. 

 

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The later build ones were longer and some had round buffers on the front. 

 

Because the cabs were lower, the spectacles were of a different shape. And the oval buffers were of a different pattern to the originals. 

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The vacuum standpipe was on the opposite side. Oh, those joys of loco-picking! 

 

Though the GC Pacific tanks were very good-looking, I'm not sure that could be said of the ex-NER A7s.

 

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It would be interesting replicating the creases in this one!

 

Please (all) observe copyright restrictions. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

I thought plunger pick-ups were a good idea, John,

 

Until I tried them.

 

Never again! They stuck, and for absolute adjustment the wheels had to be taken off too many times.

 

Now, I avoid them like the plague......

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Tony, out of curiosity can you remember what type you were using?  Providing care is taken to locate them at the correct radial position I find they don't need any further set up now I know what to do .   If my memory is correct mine were Allan Gibson - I hope memory is correct because if I have a go at a C12 or J6 this winter i will need some more.   On my first loco build (a Little Engines J11) I had planned to use the same method you use but this was some 30 years ago and I couldn't locate any small amounts of 'springy' wire in Canada and then  I saw the plunger pick-ups in a Magazine article.

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6 hours ago, Killybegs said:

 

I have used them successfully in the past on a High Level pannier chassis. I only used the nylon sleeve from the Alan Gibson kit, substituting a length of brass rod for the plunger. This was drilled to take phosphor spring wire soldered to PCB strip in the same way that you would for bearing on the tyres. This gives much softer springing. See below.

 

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Any chance of a bigger picture.  That is a most interesting alternate and avoids the 'tail' issue

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