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1 hour ago, Headstock said:

 

Good morning Robert,

 

It would make sense to produce a set of etches for the streamlined stock, I don't think that a whole kit would be required, sides and ends would do. Everything else is available, or could very simply be scratch built. Again, I'm sure that the talent exist within the Retford team to do something of this nature and would be of great interest to many.

 

Good Afternoon Andrew,

 

Worsley have recently added two of the streamlined trains to their site - perhaps of use? Although it doesn't mention being able to order portions as opposed to the full set.

 

http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/4mm/4mm_LNER.htm

 

 

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25 minutes ago, PMP said:

Meanwhile here's 2009 or thereabouts a RTR rat on the layout.

 

 

That's the first time I've spotted the mouse on a Cuneo!

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17 minutes ago, PMP said:

 

Well if you followed the thread you'd notice that your comment immediately followed one by @micklner referencing RTR locomotives. Perhaps you should have clarified that you were only referring to streamline twins to prevent any potential misunderstanding.

 

Meanwhile here's 2009 or thereabouts a RTR rat on the layout. I wonder if it might be a good idea to have a specific Retford thread in this section of the forum. There will undoubtedly be interested readers not aware its under discussion here, and would provide a nice easy to follow and flowing thread in its own right as this has been for Tony's Little Bytham

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I can’t personally see the advantage of starting a new thread.  This thread, whilst hosted by Tony (W), is not limited to Little Bytham nor is it solely the domain of Sir.  Many of the contributors here and the topics covered would undoubtedly overlap if there were a new thread.  In fact, would a new thread actually result in a migration of contributors away from WW to the new Retford thread?  I think it might.


What do others think?

 

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24 minutes ago, PMP said:

 

Well if you followed the thread you'd notice that your comment immediately followed one by @micklner referencing RTR locomotives. Perhaps you should have clarified that you were only referring to streamline twins to prevent any potential misunderstanding.

 

Meanwhile here's 2009 or thereabouts a RTR rat on the layout. I wonder if it might be a good idea to have a specific Retford thread in this section of the forum. There will undoubtedly be interested readers not aware its under discussion here, and would provide a nice easy to follow and flowing thread in its own right as this has been for Tony's Little Bytham

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I suggested a "Retford" thread on RMWeb to Roy once.

 

Anybody want to guess the response?

 

It is probably enough to say that I kept most of my anatomy and the thread didn't happen.

 

He had a number of concerns, including too many people knowing too much about what was going on when he preferred much of what went on to be "under he radar" and also that he thought that too much exposure would lessen the impact when the completed layout was finally revealed.

 

I remember his reaction when somebody posted a photo after a running day with a caption along the lines of "I wonder how much this lot is worth?". 

 

So he liked to limit exposure in the magazines and the web to occasional updates.

 

How Sandra feels about such things from now on is very much up to her but that was how he saw it.

 

I have very mixed feelings about it. I can understand what Roy was thinking but there must also be a great deal of pleasure to be had from being able to share such a layout with a wider audience. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Chuffer Davies said:

I can’t personally see the advantage of starting a new thread.  This thread, whilst hosted by Tony (W), is not limited to Little Bytham nor is it solely the domain of Sir.  Many of the contributors here and the topics covered would undoubtedly overlap if there were a new thread.  In fact, would a new thread actually result in a migration of contributors away from WW to the new Retford thread?  I think it might.


What do others think?

 

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Frank

 

Good morning Frank,

 

such a thread may exclude a lot of people, whether that is the intention or not. Wright writes may wither and die as a place where anybody of any ability can post their work and the making of things is celebrated. No such other thread exists on RM web.

 

I'm not against such a thread though, it's none of my business what Retford people want to do.

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4 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

If the TV series did inspire some to take up railway modelling, then I'm not going to argue with the merit of that. 

 

However (always an 'however'), I can't see that interest lasting more than a short time, because nowhere did I see an attempt to 'educate' folk in the disciplines of actual railway modelling. 

 

I know this has been discussed before, and it's probably best to let it 'die' naturally, but nowhere were the cornerstones of diligent research, observation of the prototype, the value of spending time (often lots of it) and the aim of producing something which looked like the real thing ever mentioned. It was just a mass of gimmicks, built-in jeopardy, arguments and rushing through something against the tyranny of time. If newcomers think that's the way to go in building a model railway, then, please, stop the world and let me off!


Good afternoon Tony,

 

I understand (and to an extent agree with) your point of view. However, Channel Five's focus is to create a programme that will drive viewing figures upward. Therefore, I think that they have focused on showing the hobby as something 'fun' to the masses. If they focused on educating folk on 'actual railway modelling', I think that the viewing figures would be lower and we'd likely lose a great resource for encouraging future generations into the hobby.

I think that the (unpalatable to some) starting point that the programme promotes is irrelevant; if the newcomer becomes enthused, they will likely expand their knowledge base and may turn to more prototypical layouts in the future.

 

I say this because of my experience of Dancing on Ice while I was a coach and (later) Assistant Manager of a rink. As a programme, I hate it; it doesn't portray competitive figure skating, makes up its own terminology, it pushes the celebrity participants at a far faster pace than I would ever be comfortable with. However, it brought people through the doors in droves and filled out the beginner group learn to skate courses to capacity. From that point, I (and other coaches) could gently work on changing the preconceptions of the new skaters and guide them towards safer and more realistic goals. Many were happy to simply learn to skate and had no interest in tests or competitions, but the show, in my experience, ultimately generated more people interested in pursuing a competitive career than was being generated without it. I ended up viewing the programme as a necessary evil which created much needed regular footfall to potentially develop into more knowledgeable 'proper skaters' later.

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2 hours ago, robertcwp said:

This was one of the RT/BTO twins used for supper service on the up Aberdonian sleeper. Most of the ex-streamliner stock was restored to service in 1948 and was repainted in pre-war colours but without the individual train branding. Crimson and cream livery was not introduced until 1949 and the three ex-West Riding Limited twins that went into the post-war West Riding carried crimson and cream as the train was one of those that launched the livery in service. 

 

Interesting decision in 1948 to repaint them into their original colours when never intended to run in their original formations again (or was there a plan to reintroduce the pre war sets?)

 

Must have been an interesting sight to see random silver or blue stock in a otherwise teak formation.

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4 minutes ago, Hawin Dooiey said:

 

Interesting decision in 1948 to repaint them into their original colours when never intended to run in their original formations again (or was there a plan to reintroduce the pre war sets?)

 

Must have been as interesting sight in a train to see random silver or blue stock.

Was it not the case that they were placed into storage 1938-1945 and therefore no repainting took place? In 1948 they were still as the LNER had painted them in 1937!

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Just now, LNER4479 said:

Was it not the case that they were placed into storage 1938-1945 and therefore no repainting took place? In 1948 they were still as the LNER had painted them in 1937!

 

Ah forgive me, I read restored in @robertcwp's post and misconstrued as repainted.

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32 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

I remember his reaction when somebody posted a photo after a running day with a caption along the lines of "I wonder how much this lot is worth?". 

 

That is why I am personally surprised that a lot of "air time" has been expounded (more so at the people doing it., me included) on a publicly viewable forum.

 

It's pretty well known that internet forums are used by the more unscrupulous members of society to gauge if people are at home (or not). From a security and insurance point of view alone, I fully agreed with Roy's policies.

 

As has been said, It's fantastic news that Retford has been saved and we all owe Sandra a debt for the undoubted sacrifices made allowing the layout to survive in its existing form. I think there may be some hard non model railway decisions to be made in the future and the type of publicity it is given will be one of those.

 

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29 minutes ago, LNER4479 said:

Was it not the case that they were placed into storage 1938-1945 and therefore no repainting took place? In 1948 they were still as the LNER had painted them in 1937!

I read somewhere that they were repainted. From the few photos available, they looked pristine.

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43 minutes ago, Lantavian said:

 

You are dead right. Channel Five is for entertainment, not education.

 

If you want to be enthused about  railway modelling, then Kathy Millatt's YouTube channel is a great next step. And there are so many other wonderful YouTubesters that do a much better job than any TV programme ever would.

 

 

I agree that Kathy's Youtube videos are an excellent source of techniques and inspiration. I think that there is a lot to be said about print articles as well - especially the older ones.

As for education, I've found that Tony, the Grantham team and many others are very informative on that front. From their encouragement, I decided that the reason why I was always dissatisfied with my layout attempts was because they were freelance. My first visit to Tony's to operate Little Bytham clinched the deal and I began researching Hadley Wood. With the shift to modelling a prototype came an interest in working timetables, carriage books, spotters books/notes and a more disciplined approach to my locomotive choices. I can honestly say that I've learnt more about the LNER in the last three years than I had in the previous twenty! I don't think I would have become interested in these things had it not be for the likes of Tony, but I think I also had to have reached a point where I was ready, and willing, to take the next step (in this particular direction).

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2 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said:

I can’t personally see the advantage of starting a new thread.  This thread, whilst hosted by Tony (W), is not limited to Little Bytham nor is it solely the domain of Sir.  Many of the contributors here and the topics covered would undoubtedly overlap if there were a new thread.  In fact, would a new thread actually result in a migration of contributors away from WW to the new Retford thread?  I think it might.


What do others think?

 

Regards,

Frank

 

I’m not one of The Retford Mob but I get the impression that most of them loiter in this thread anyway, and most  other Wright Writes groupies such as myself would like to follow a Retford thread as well.  Given that Tony feels that his development of LB has almost come to an end, and is keen to help out with Retford I have no problem in this thread keeping us educated about more than one layout.  It’s all about learning and sharing this hobby of ours after all.  
 

Another thread would create yet another bookmark for us all to look up every time we log on!  But I fully understand and respect if Sandra wants to take the lead at some time and set the direction and tone for a Retford focused thread, but I’m guessing that she might have other priorities at the moment!

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4 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said:

I can’t personally see the advantage of starting a new thread.  This thread, whilst hosted by Tony (W), is not limited to Little Bytham nor is it solely the domain of Sir.  Many of the contributors here and the topics covered would undoubtedly overlap if there were a new thread.  In fact, would a new thread actually result in a migration of contributors away from WW to the new Retford thread?  I think it might.


 

 

It shouldn't be a problem if content overlaps - it already does on many threads on RMweb. And it is perfectly acceptable to bookmark as a favourite, visit and post on multiple threads on RMweb. I don't see why anyone would or should be excluded from it as with WW.

 

For me it's a great idea to start a separate thread on Retford. That way all info, pics, development and comment about it would be in one place rather than spread around various threads or interspersed amongst other topics in WW.

 

 

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1 hour ago, robertcwp said:

I read somewhere that they were repainted. From the few photos available, they looked pristine.

 

Well it would not be the first time that works were instructed to use up supplies of paint before changing to a new livery.  Given the post war austerity, I could see that if there were stocks of the blue paint it would have been first choice.  

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4 hours ago, Headstock said:

 

The streamlined twins, that the conversation that you were commenting on was all about.

Worsley works produce etches for some of the streamline stock. The West Riding and jubilee carriages, from memory.

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3 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said:

 

Well it would not be the first time that works were instructed to use up supplies of paint before changing to a new livery.  Given the post war austerity, I could see that if there were stocks of the blue paint it would have been first choice.  

The new livery had not been decided on then so all new and overhauled stock was being turned out in company colours but without the company markings and in some cases with BR Gill Sans numbers and lettering. The first batch of Thompson restaurant firsts were an example. Mock teak livery but BR lettering.

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3 minutes ago, Denbridge said:

Worsley works produce etches for some of the streamline stock. The West Riding and jubilee carriages, from memory.

Thanks, that was also mentioned by another member on this thread. At least it's one potential source but they seem only to be available for the full 8-car set whereas only four carriages' worth are needed for the two twins I have in mind. It would be beyond my skill level to build carriages around them whereas I know I can do a Mailcoach kit as I built one a long time ago, which I no longer have.

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46 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

Is anyone doing the 10' HD bogies you'd also need?

Eventually, yes.

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7 hours ago, Headstock said:

 

Good morning Mike,

 

apologies for the protracted reply, the thread moves fast but I have finished the roof. Unfortunately, I seem to have accidentally deleted the original roof folder, however I did find two images that illustrate the basic idea. You can see there is a base plate, cut out to access the interior, A set of transverse formers, that conform to the end profile and a set of longitudinal strengtheners, some out of site, The roof frame is laid on it's back and tack glued to a sheet of 20 thou plasticard and left to dry. The sheet is wrapped around the transverse sections, glueing as you go and attached to the base plate. You need excess sheet to get a good grip and hold it in place while the glue drys. The excess is then cut of and the process of filing of the remainder is in progress in the first image. You can see that I was able to salvage the original transverse pieces from the original roof.

 

The end profile buts up to the brass end of the carriage.

 

A couple of coats of undercoat are applied and rubbed down to get a smooth finish and the roof is attached to the carriage.

 

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The finished roof, painted, gubbins attached and cornice and ends retouched in.

 

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Andrew,

 

That is quite simply exquisite! How long does a coach like that take you?

 

Andy

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2 hours ago, grahame said:

 

It shouldn't be a problem if content overlaps - it already does on many threads on RMweb. And it is perfectly acceptable to bookmark as a favourite, visit and post on multiple threads on RMweb. I don't see why anyone would or should be excluded from it as with WW.

 

For me it's a great idea to start a separate thread on Retford. That way all info, pics, development and comment about it would be in one place rather than spread around various threads or interspersed amongst other topics in WW.

 

 

If a layout like "Retford", especially at the moment, isn't worth its' own thread, then I don't know what is. The variety of rolling stock, operational interest and ongoing development would seem to be exactly what most modellers look for, even if the location and timescale are not their own preference. I would have though a discrete thread would encourage rather than discourage interest in the layout.

 

Quite why it would lead to folk leaving Wright Writes is a mystery to me. Surely most of us follow several threads, at least occasionally? The "Retford Mob" are habitual posters here anyway, on a variety of subjects. 

For me, the scope of the topics is the attraction of WW,(though, personally, I can do without the cricket, English grammar, and schoolboy reminiscences (unless they are railway related)). I accept others wont agree with that.

 

As an example ,without WW, how else would we have known about the Mike Trice V2?,  Here is mine, 

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43 minutes ago, rowanj said:

The "Retford Mob" are habitual posters here anyway, on a variety of subjects. 

 

I think you'll find that most of the hard core Retforders as defined by the regular Thursday group or those that could be seen as part of the Retford Group demoing at exhibitions such as Nottingham and the EM expos are not on RMweb. Lurkers maybe, habitual posters, definitely not.

 

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1 hour ago, thegreenhowards said:

Andrew,

 

That is quite simply exquisite! How long does a coach like that take you?

 

Andy

 

Thanks Andy,

 

that is very kind of you to say

 

I haven't a clue, I work to deadlines but there is no pay for this stuff, pure love or sometimes hate. I just keep chugging away and something develops.

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35 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said:

 

I think you'll find that most of the hard core Retforders as defined by the regular Thursday group or those that could be seen as part of the Retford Group demoing at exhibitions such as Nottingham and the EM expos are not on RMweb. Lurkers maybe, habitual posters, definitely not.

 

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I have no idea who they are, or how many and didn't mean the term to be pejorative - all I was saying. or implying ,was that those who had posted on the subject of Retford's salvation and future were usually those who posted on other subjects too, so were unlikely to "jump ship" if Retford had its' own thread.  This will be my last word on the subject.

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