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Bullfrog Snot is a traction tyre replacement compound. It was developed originally as I recall for US N gauge locomotives, when supplies of spares were scarce. The concept is that  the compound is applied into the tread groove for the tyre. It then fills the groove ‘cures’ and becomes a traction tyre. An uneven coat will obviously give lumpy running, and too much of it can be detrimental to electrical pick up. Like traction tyres it does wear out and become contaminated requiring replacement, and when old may contribute to additional  dirt on the track in the same way regular tyres can. 
An option might be if the B17 has Romfords, to turn a shallow groove into the tread and try the BS in that. I vaguely recall that the BS had been applied to a flat tread which might not have been the optimum use for it.

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10 hours ago, t-b-g said:

 

Many of the plastic bogies on Retford were beginning to suffer from wear as the pin point axles were turning the holes in the side frames into vertical slots. That made the drag even worse.

 

A replacement program was underway to rebuild the bogies with an etched innards and brass bearings but I am not sure how far it got. There was a big pile of etched bogies knocking around in the room somewhere.

Last time I was there, I only saw five etched bogies in the pile. Several Bachmann Mark 1s have been converted.

 

Do you by any chance know who supplied the etches as they seem to have been designed specifically for Bachmann Mark 1 stock?

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38 minutes ago, robertcwp said:

Last time I was there, I only saw five etched bogies in the pile. Several Bachmann Mark 1s have been converted.

 

Do you by any chance know who supplied the etches as they seem to have been designed specifically for Bachmann Mark 1 stock?

Try Andrew Hartshorne at Wizard Models, pretty sure he was Looking to do the etched bogies for Bachmann Mk1’s

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4 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

Tony,

 

The pictures I’m working to of Sun Castle clearly show the same device as on your model of 60500. There are some good views on p74/5 of The Power of the A2s. Your 60500 photo is very useful in terms of how to model it, so I’m going to break a cardinal rule and base my model on yours!

 

Thanks

 

Andy

Rats! I'm going to have to make it now.

 

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When you know that something's missing, it has to be attended to!

 

This might help..........

 

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It's just bits of scrap brass etch/wire, soldered together, and securely soldered to the loco - glue's no good. 

 

The central disc is just that - a small brass washer/disc.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Blue Max said:

Try Andrew Hartshorne at Wizard Models, pretty sure he was Looking to do the etched bogies for Bachmann Mk1’s

Thanks, Andrew has been involved with Retford so they probably are his products.

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3 minutes ago, robertcwp said:

Thanks, Andrew has been involved with Retford so they probably are his products.

 

Nope! As far as I remember they were custom designed for Retford by Buccaneer John, the same chap who did the etched footbridge down near the goods shed. There were definitely at least two large sheets of them.

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36 minutes ago, pete55 said:

 

Nope! As far as I remember they were custom designed for Retford by Buccaneer John, the same chap who did the etched footbridge down near the goods shed. There were definitely at least two large sheets of them.

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Thanks to everyone for their thoughts on the B17 boat train problem. I had another go at the train today. I removed the heavy Thompson SK and the B17 managed the rest of the train - just. It’s almost painful to watch the poor thing struggling to lift the train out of the fiddle yard. I then added an ordinary Bachmann coach but the loco couldn’t manage it not even with a run at the slope. 
 

I then tried the train in the opposite, down direction, albeit wrong line. It managed the train quite easily. The problem is that there are too few storage sidings in the down direction and it makes more sense to have it running in the up direction. So for the time being I have left the train as it was and I have put the Britannia back on the train. The trouble is that the Britannia is out of period for the summer of 1957.
 

I might try building a new B17 with the motor in the loco and with a small tender. in an ideal world I would like the boat train in both directions but I will have to add some extra storage sidings first.

 

Sandra

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47 minutes ago, pete55 said:

 

Nope! As far as I remember they were custom designed for Retford by Buccaneer John, the same chap who did the etched footbridge down near the goods shed. There were definitely at least two large sheets of them.

I wondered if they had been custom-made for the layout. That explains it, thanks.

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12 hours ago, Chamby said:

 

I find it remarkable that, with all the detailing parts provided by RTR manufacturers these days (including coal irons in a few cases) that lamps are not provided by the likes of Hornby and Bachmann as standard.  It would be a simple and low-cost addition that would generate a greater awareness and wider interest in railway operating practice.  Most continental suppliers provide working lamps as standard these days...

 

Still, it does provide an opportunity for specialist suppliers to fill the niche, and gives us all something to talk about re: ‘proper’ modelling!

 

As a few others have replied since you posted this, RTR folks do sometimes provide lamps. The last RTR loco I bought was Bachmann's J72 and it came with with some rather nice lamps that had a neatly done grip / groove in the back and fitted the brackets very well. 

But I agree that it's odd  for that to be the exception rather than the rule...

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Rats! I'm going to have to make it now.

 

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When you know that something's missing, it has to be attended to!

 

This might help..........

 

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It's just bits of scrap brass etch/wire, soldered together, and securely soldered to the loco - glue's no good. 

 

The central disc is just that - a small brass washer/disc.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Thanks although I’m not convinced solder would work very well on Bachmann plastic running board!

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jesse,

 

D&S did the longer wagon as a kit... i sold the ones I had plus the brake to RD Brown for use on Gresley Beat unfortunately.

 

The conversions look fine though...the train is coming together nicely

 

Baz

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10 minutes ago, Barry O said:

jesse,

 

D&S did the longer wagon as a kit... i sold the ones I had plus the brake to RD Brown for use on Gresley Beat unfortunately.

 

The conversions look fine though...the train is coming together nicely

 

Baz

Which longer wagon?

 

cheers

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11 hours ago, pete55 said:

 

Nope! As far as I remember they were custom designed for Retford by Buccaneer John, the same chap who did the etched footbridge down near the goods shed. There were definitely at least two large sheets of them.

Yes! Designed by Buccaneer John, but now part of the Wizard range as part BB1R. £4.80 for a carriage's worth.

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14 minutes ago, Jesse Sim said:

Which longer wagon?

 

What Baz means is that Danny did a GN pway set with (I think) two or three of the ballast wagons and a ballast brake.  They come up on Ebay from time to time and always go for silly money.   Which is why I have never owned one.

 

I think he did the brake in one of his reissues but not the wagons.   They may have gone to ABS.

 

 

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While we're talking about wagons...

 

I finished my first ever White Metal kit last night, a 51L NER B12, 12 Tonne plate wagon. It's very crude, but it's my first and I've learnt a lot from it so I'm happy.

 

There are plenty of expert model makers on this thread, can I invite some constructive feedback please? I have another B12 wagon to build in the next couple of weeks and want to improve on it.

 

Also I have no idea why RMweb decided to put the last photo in upside down, I couldn't seem to correct it unfortunately.

 

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28 minutes ago, Dylan Sanderson said:

While we're talking about wagons...

 

I finished my first ever White Metal kit last night, a 51L NER B12, 12 Tonne plate wagon. It's very crude, but it's my first and I've learnt a lot from it so I'm happy.

 

There are plenty of expert model makers on this thread, can I invite some constructive feedback please? I have another B12 wagon to build in the next couple of weeks and want to improve on it.

 

Also I have no idea why RMweb decided to put the last photo in upside down, I couldn't seem to correct it unfortunately.

 

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It did it so @Jesse Sim can see it ok.

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31 minutes ago, Dylan Sanderson said:

While we're talking about wagons...

 

I finished my first ever White Metal kit last night, a 51L NER B12, 12 Tonne plate wagon. It's very crude, but it's my first and I've learnt a lot from it so I'm happy.

 

There are plenty of expert model makers on this thread, can I invite some constructive feedback please? I have another B12 wagon to build in the next couple of weeks and want to improve on it.

 

Also I have no idea why RMweb decided to put the last photo in upside down, I couldn't seem to correct it unfortunately.

 

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more flux in the corner, so the solder flows into the joint. But don’t leave the iron in too long otherwise you’ll lose some of the wagon. 
 

Im no expert either, I always find open wagons are harder cause you have to hide the join. 

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48 minutes ago, Woodcock29 said:

One of the D&S GN  Ballast wagons went for around 100 pounds recently on e..y.  seems ridiculous!

 

I've got an unbuilt 51L NE plate wagon so I might follow Jesse' lead on this.

 

Andrew

Ahh the student has become the master aye ;) 

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43 minutes ago, Dylan Sanderson said:

 

 

Also I have no idea why RMweb decided to put the last photo in upside down, I couldn't seem to correct it unfortunately.

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Hi Dylan,

Its not RM Web's fault, its a 'feature' of the way mobile phones endeavour to ensure a picture is always oriented correctly on the screen.  I can't remember all the ins and outs but basically you can sort this out by editing the original picture and saving it again.   This will reset the orientation of the picture and then when you copy it to RM Web it'll be displayed correctly.  How do I know this?  I've fallen foul of exactly the same problem in the past.

Regards,

Frank

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