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15 minutes ago, Barry O said:

There is no longer any legal requirement to enforce the wearing of masks at any event 

 

It has been made a matter of personal choice.

 

Being rude or being polite, being inconsiderate or considerate of others, spitting on the floor or not spitting on the floor, are also personal choices.

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5 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

It has been made a matter of personal choice.

 

Being rude or being polite, being inconsiderate or considerate of others, spitting on the floor or not spitting on the floor, are also personal choices.

It is a personal choice now. The behaviours in the second paragraph could become matters for the law!

As most adults now have the second jab  think it's reasonable that it's a personal issue. I attended the South Notts show last Saturday and many visitors were not wearing masks. I was one of those who were, but that's my choice.  I didn't feel in any way ill at ease because there were those who chose differently.

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1 hour ago, Headstock said:

 

That's the point, wearing a mask is for the benefit of others, not so much yourself. If you chose not to wear one without good reason, its basically saying sod everybody else, I don't care.

 

Official SNCF policy apparently (I am writing this while on a Paris-Limoges train).

 

Some years ago, SNCF bought a reservation system form a company specialising in booking systems for airlines. So it fills up one end of each carriage first, just great for social distancing.

 

I have ignored the seat on my reservation and found a much nicer location in the middle of the coach with 3+1 seating.

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2 hours ago, Barry O said:

There is no longer any legal requirement to enforce the wearing of masks at any event it is probably impossible to force people to wear a mask. Exhibitions (and places like supermarkets and pubs) can request you wear a mask but can do very little to stop non wearing. If you ban someone from entry for not wearing a mask it is now discrimination against that person and they can sue you for such discrimination.

 

It is up to individuals to decide whether they attend a show. In Leeds we will recommend that people wear masks  unless the School tell us differently that's as far as we can go.

 

Baz

They can try.  They will fail.

 

If you make it a condition of entry you can legitimately refuse entry to anyone who fails to conform.

 

This is no different to Restaurants that insist on jacket and tie or  clubs that say "no trainers" or indeed the HoP where the Speaker is refusing elected members to wear Chinos.

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7 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said:

They can try.  They will fail.

 

If you make it a condition of entry you can legitimately refuse entry to anyone who fails to conform.

 

This is no different to Restaurants that insist on jacket and tie or  clubs that say "no trainers" or indeed the HoP where the Speaker is refusing elected members to wear Chinos.

Not according to a HR lawyer I know...you are assuming that you can do anything you want..while I hate the idea that people can become legalistic to  "protect" their own views of how life should be runthere is always a counterargument saying I can do whatever I want and up the rest if you...

 

Baz

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2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Which I think arises from a common misconception of how the virus is transmitted. Being vaccinated oneself does not mean that you cannot transmit it to others. It simply makes it less likely that you will suffer the worst effects if you come into contact with the virus. Wearing a mask reduces the likelihood that if you are carrying the virus you will transmit it to others and here nce is simply a matter of common courtesy.

Virtue waving.

People are perfectly entitled,  by law,  to wear a mask or not. I choose to wear a mask others don't. 

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17 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Not according to a HR lawyer I know...you are assuming that you can do anything you want..while I hate the idea that people can become legalistic to  "protect" their own views of how life should be runthere is always a counterargument saying I can do whatever I want and up the rest if you...

 

Baz

 

HR is different to restaurants, etc. It's a much more serious infringement on liberties to stop someone going to work because of what they wear. I am impressed too by some youngsters who have protested against the inherent sexism of rules about schoolwear.

 

I do wonder what the Speaker has against chinos.

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14 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

HR is different to restaurants, etc. It's a much more serious infringement on liberties to stop someone going to work because of what they wear. I am impressed too by some youngsters who have protested against the inherent sexism of rules about schoolwear.

 

I do wonder what the Speaker has against chinos.

I would like the HoC Speaker to enforce rules about rudeness, such as not talking over anyone else who is speaking, like we were taught to do at home and school but which is apparently not required of our government representatives.  It would be interesting seeing about 640 people, including the PM, asked one-by-one to leave the chamber at PMQs.

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3 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

It is a personal choice now. The behaviours in the second paragraph could become matters for the law!

As most adults now have the second jab  think it's reasonable that it's a personal issue. I attended the South Notts show last Saturday and many visitors were not wearing masks. I was one of those who were, but that's my choice.  I didn't feel in any way ill at ease because there were those who chose differently.

Good evening David,

 

Did you speak to me at the show? If you did, I wasn't aware it was you. Otherwise I'd have asked how you got on with the 78XXXs.

 

I wore a mask some of the time, but it makes conversation more difficult and my specs steam-up. Still, better to be safer. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening David,

 

Did you speak to me at the show? If you did, I wasn't aware it was you. Otherwise I'd have asked how you got on with the 78XXXs.

 

I wore a mask some of the time, but it makes conversation more difficult and my specs steam-up. Still, better to be safer. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Sorry Tony, no.

You were engaged in a lengthy conversation with a bloke and, after hanging about, I decided that perhaps some other time.

The 78XXXs remain in their boxes in the bottom of the wardrobe because I've lost the mojo. I haven't done anything for six months, but there are signs that the club will be opening up next week so you never know.

I don't mind if people don't wear a mask, although I know it exercises some. Personally I prefer to, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the inconvenience gets to me. The wet face and the steamy glasses are a pain, and most adults have been jabbed twice. My mate had been done three times. Lucky him. 

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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

You are a model of courtesy and respect for others.

Oh dear, sarcasm. Perhaps not a model of 'courtesy and respect' but I do believe in liberalism and being an enemy of those who purvey self serving rubbish on sites such as this. There are too many virtue wavers.

I repeat, people who have been twice jabbed are fully able to go about their lawful business without a mote of guilt. This as it should  should be but I have my reservations, great reservations, about anti-vaxxers.

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2 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

HR is different to restaurants, etc. It's a much more serious infringement on liberties to stop someone going to work because of what they wear. I am impressed too by some youngsters who have protested against the inherent sexism of rules about schoolwear.

 

I do wonder what the Speaker has against chinos.

 

He is a bit of a pollock. Frets over trousers but allows lying

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8 hours ago, 2750Papyrus said:

May I take the opportunity of asking what shade(s) of grey - hopefully not 50 - LNER modellers paint their freight stock?  I have used Precision enamel but have always thought it to be rather dark.  I would like to use an acrylic such as Vallejo "black grey" but it also does look to be on the dark side.

I've used Railmatch in the past but there's somesort of additive in their paints which causes water-based varnish 'pooling' - if that's the correct word, where the varnish forms into little islands and droplets on the surface. I plan to use Precision on the next vehicle so I'm interested to read your comment: would you consider mixing in a little white, to match where you think it should be? I save small bottle tops and similar plastic things to use as paint mixing receptacles on jobs like that.

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On the subject of Covid, masks and so forth: I fully agree with those who feel there's far too fast a move away from safety precuations, however tired of them we may be; and that precautions should be a matter of consideration for others, as well as for ourselves. The government is clearly bent on forcing the issue and by declaring 'Freedom Day' a while back, they sent a powerful signal to many who are themselves unsure, that 'Everything's Back To Normal' and they don't need to worry any more. Neglecting the needs of a vulnerable minority (I live with two such people) should hardly strike anyone as unusual in the current climate. We must make the best of it. I had my first day under my employer's new rota this week, whereby instead of working mainly from home, we are all back on site three days a week and working from home for two, as well as seeing an end to the division of the workforce into two teams that worked alternate days. I was the only person wearing a mask today, or paying more than cursory attention to keeping my distance from others. I persisted with the mask for the reasons others have mentioned, but also as a means of signalling to my colleagues that I continue to take the threat - to me and to them - seriously even if they don't, in hopes that they would keep their distance from me, however they treated each other. I didn't say anything or make a fuss about it, just popped the mask on whenever I left my desk.

Railway shows, like holidays, days on the beach, steam train trips and pubs are all sorely missed, but not enough to jeopardise what I hope will be a long life, as others have said!

Besides, anticipation is half the pleasure, isn't it? ;)

(Apologies - bit of a rant...:blush:)

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2 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

Oh dear, sarcasm. Perhaps not a model of 'courtesy and respect' but I do believe in liberalism and being an enemy of those who purvey self serving rubbish on sites such as this. There are too many virtue wavers.

I repeat, people who have been twice jabbed are fully able to go about their lawful business without a mote of guilt. This as it should  should be but I have my reservations, great reservations, about anti-vaxxers.

 

No, not as sarcasm at all but indicating respect for you as an ongoing mask-wearer and for signalling that in your avatar. But I stand by my earlier observations.

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On the issue of masks, I find it very unpleasant to wear one for long periods of time. I don’t mind for a 15 minutes trip round a shop or 30 mins on a train and I do so. But I wouldn’t want to wear one all day at an exhibition. It would certainly put me off going if I had to. I’ve been to three exhibitions in the last month, Bexhill, Chester Cathedral and the SVR O gauge event. All recommended/ requested mask wearing for attendees although the Bexhill show at which I was exhibiting left it to exhibitors (as opposed to visitors) choice. For that show I wore one in the public areas but not behind the layout. For the other two I started off wearing one, but once I realised I was in a small minority I took it off. I can’t see the point of wearing one if very few others are doing so as they clearly don’t care and it’s for their benefit, not mine.

 

As for risk, I’m confident that my double jab will stop me getting seriously ill should I catch Covid and the same is true for nearly all vaccinated people. That could change if some new killer variant arrives but we should get some warning of that. I feel sorry for those who are immune compromised or particularly vulnerable in some other way but they will have to be careful whatever the rest of society does. I’m not at all sorry for those who have refused the vaccine who make up a large share of those currently in ICU. 
 

So my view is that life must go on and I’m enjoying being allowed back out again. I suspect that I’m at much less risk of serious harm from Covid now than I will be from flu in six months time, so I’m going to make hay while the sun shines!

 

Andy

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Sitting here in Lockdown Melbourne where the delta variant is running lose in the North western suburbs. We are all wearing masks out side of the home.  It is getting rather frustrating as every where we go or do must include a mask. With our vaccinated rate rising quickly (as long as the supplies hold out!) we will head towards reduced restrictions.  As thegreenhowards  says states above "I’m not at all sorry for those who have refused the vaccine who make up a large share of those currently in ICU." I have to agree. More so from the point of Charles Darwin with the philosophy of  culling the heard of the weak ones, but as it has to do more with the intelligence of the individuals, or lack of it! 

 

If we are all trying to achieve a the best outcome and get back to a more normal life we have to give up some freedoms to achieve this. I would dearly love to get to a Railway meeting or even a railway exhibition! It helps my mental health. Hopefully this is sooner rather than later! 

 

Unfortunately the way the Australian lockdowns have gone and specifically Melbourne's my Mojo for everything has gone. This includes work and hobbies and even things around the house! The UK has opened back up with the risks as outlined elsewhere I hope we can soon. This will get life back to a more normal setting rather than the "groundhog day" that Melbournian's tend to be living at the moment. 

 

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7 hours ago, Chas Levin said:

May I take the opportunity of asking what shade(s) of grey - hopefully not 50 - LNER modellers paint their freight stock?

 

We could generate a thread as long as Tony's on that one, but here's my two penn'orth for what it's worth.   The late Nick Campling always maintained that they should be much darker than most modellers or manufacturers produced, something towards GWR grey.   There are photographs which support both sides of that argument, as well as the much-quoted stories of how the paint was mixed and the unknown factor of what different Works Paint Shop Foremen thought was the right colour.

 

On another thread we were recently shown this picture, for which I am greatly indebted to the poster.   It's the only clear colour shot I have ever seen of an LNER wagon still in LNER livery.  Now, it's not been painted for at least 14 years, you can argue about the effect of pollution, weather and light on the paint, but it's undoubtedly dark grey.   That's a starting point.

 

I mix up a shade of grey using different Humbrol enamels - 64, 106, 140, 1 plus a little 33, generally a different mix for reach wagon.   It adds to the visual interest of a train.  If you miss a bit, mix a different shade - patch painting and odd repairs were not unknown and weathering will tone it down and blend the overall finish. 

 

HTH.

 

 

 

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On the subject of masks, the wearing of an FFP2 (or even better, FFP3) mask will protect the wearer far, far better than your average cloth jobbie (which does very little to protect the wearer).  FFP2/3 masks have high filtration rates (into the high 90% 's) and are easily available now (though I'd go for a known make such as 3M, as I'm sure there's plenty of Chinese jobbies out there that may not do what they claim) and for occasional use (such as an exhibition) they are cheap too - but perhaps not cheaply enough for all day, every day such as work.  Some have vents in too, which may help stop glasses steaming up.  If others then want to risk each other by not wearing masks then that's their lookout, as the wearer of a decent mask *should* hopefully be ok (insofar as can be)

HTH

 

p.s. Incidentally, a friend in his 50's (big strong bloke - has done Thiathalons etc., double jabbed) has fairly recently had C-19 - he's clear now, but a long way from right apparently (though fortunately not with any serious long covid symptoms that some suffer).

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