LNER4479 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Bucoops said: Glad to see you posting, Tom. As it happens I read your build thread on your Coronation set last night - I don't suppose you still have the photos as none of them are showing Well, whilst we're still in glorious LNER mode: Here's Tom's delicious Coronation set photographed (by Tony) on the layout at the Nottingham 2016 show. Plenty done to the layout since in the intervening (crikey) 5+ years. 30 minutes ago, Bucoops said: Ooh, appropriate for discussing LNER days - page 2509. Absolutely! Not sure if I can do this on the next three pages(!) but here she is, Tony's recreation of that classic pre-war colour scene of said loco. And yes - the original photo clearly shows that she was at least this grubby (the work of BarryO on this occasion). Of course, the previous nine pages were almost as notable, the last built batch of A3s: 2508 'Brown Jack', 2507 'Singapore', 2506 'Salmon Trout' ... (etc). Quite a few of them will have run on the layout as well but not sure if I have pictures of many of them to hand! 16 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, Bucoops said: Oh gawd, not the foggy-misty debate - you're not my wife are you? Stop playing with those toy trains and make some tea. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grahame Posted November 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2021 Despite another month drifting by without much modelling, here's a small update that might be of interest. This weekend I've made a start on adding name signs to the low relief block I've made for the back of the layout. I've had a bash at both pubs - the 'St John's Tavern' is rather wobbly hand sign written with a bullet tipped paint pen (difficult to control and be consistent) while the 'Antigallican' uses some plastic letters that I had. They're only 2mm high and by the time they were painted seemed to get rather messy. For other signs, like hanging name signs, posters and shop names, I think I'll need to get a new printer (my old one is defunct) and take that approach. 16 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bucoops said: Oh yes, forgot about that. Nope that's perfect, I couldn't expect you to go through and edit the lot back in very much appreciated and a reminder of just how good a job you did with it. Ooh, appropriate for discussing LNER days - page 2509. I wonder how old we'll be before the W1's number is coincidental with these pages? Regards, Tony. Edited November 28, 2021 by Tony Wright typo error 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, gr.king said: You never know. Somebody with inside knowledge might comment on that in due course. We'll have to wait and see Graeme, Could be good, though............. There have been a few occasions at the chapel when BR/ER stock has run on Grantham. However, I have no pictures to show. Regards, Tony. Edited November 28, 2021 by Tony Wright to add something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: I wonder how old we'll all be before the W1's number is coincidental with these pages? Regards, Tony. Who knows, by that time I may have actually finished something...! Edited November 28, 2021 by Bucoops 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 10000 or 60700? I might have finished my layout by the second choice. richard 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 26/11/2021 at 21:37, Headstock said: I wouldn't worry about it too much, my Father recalled seeing loads of departmental stock in the sidings at Neville hill in the late 30s. The first time he saw anything painted Oxford blue, was on a model railway, it was quite a surprise. Although it is impossible to tell from 1930s monochrome photographs, I do find that highly believable and "not inconsistent" with the guess-the-colour-if-you-can general faded grimy state of departmental stock that many pictures seem to me to suggest. Wildest guesswork makes me wonder whether in fact it was only vehicles newly built for specific departmental duty, plus certain pre-group examples put into official LNER livery just after grouping, and the very occasional (long lasting?) few eventually favoured with a re-paint out of necessity that actually received Oxford Blue. Maybe the rest just got old running numbers patch painted out and engineer's department numbers slapped on, especially if they were only put into the engineer's fleet to see out their last few miles before falling to pieces. It's a good excuse to dodge the job of repainting my vintage MS&L bogie mineral brake anyway. The example that inspired me to build it was apparently still in the Immingham breakdown train in the 1950s by the way. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Tatlow has a picture of one wagon in Cambridge Blue , I have also read suggestions that it was a very faded Oxford Blue !! . I have rarely seen in use Departmental wagons in photos, other than ex Works photos. Graeme, I presume the MS&L Bogie Brake is the Birdcage one in a siding in the photos ? Are there any other photos ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2021 I could offer this brace for the GNR back date. They’re in as preserved condition but I hope they’d be near enough. Rolling stock would be more of a problem though. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, gr.king said: Although it is impossible to tell from 1930s monochrome photographs, I do find that highly believable and "not inconsistent" with the guess-the-colour-if-you-can general faded grimy state of departmental stock that many pictures seem to me to suggest. Wildest guesswork makes me wonder whether in fact it was only vehicles newly built for specific departmental duty, plus certain pre-group examples put into official LNER livery just after grouping, and the very occasional (long lasting?) few eventually favoured with a re-paint out of necessity that actually received Oxford Blue. Maybe the rest just got old running numbers patch painted out and engineer's department numbers slapped on, especially if they were only put into the engineer's fleet to see out their last few miles before falling to pieces. It's a good excuse to dodge the job of repainting my vintage MS&L bogie mineral brake anyway. The example that inspired me to build it was apparently still in the Immingham breakdown train in the 1950s by the way. Good evening Graeme, I asked my Father at the time what colour he remembered. He didn't specify a particular colour, he thought that some didn't look that radically different from any other LNER wagon, though he did say that some other wagons and 'carriages' were very striking, being so bleached by the sun that they looked like they were made of bone! He was obviously aware that there was a livery that was susceptible to weathering and colour fading but he was not aware how strong and distinctive the official colour scheme was. When he found out that colour was Oxford blue, he didn't doubt it, he was surprised but didn't find it unlikely. When a friend and I were researching stores vans many many years ago, I was told that the Oxford blue was notoriously unstable. As one of the Woodford wags put it, the colour'' turned grey faster than a white coach roof''. They remembered the stores vans as being a light grey with a blue tinge, that would be consistent with what they were saying. They also said that there was quite an influx of revenue vehicles into departmental service during and after the war, these were not usually repainted from teak or brown, just rebranded. From what they were saying, I think it would be possible that patch painting of existing liveries would also take place in LNER days. The main thing I took away from all this, was that a train of Oxford blue wagons or other vehicles would be impossibly rare. There are some photographs around that seem to confirm this, including some colour photographs from LNER days. I recently came across a photo of an ex GNR six-wheel passenger brake van taken in the late 40s. It literally looks like it is painted white, with darker patches painted on to illuminate the departmental branding! Your 1950s example is not at all surprising, many of the pictures of stores vans that I have collected over the years, have retained their earlier liveries well into the fifties. Edited November 28, 2021 by Headstock correct autocorrect. 2 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 6 hours ago, Tony Wright said: I wonder how old we'll be before the W1's number is coincidental with these pages? Regards, Tony. Don’t worry, leave that one to me 3 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Oi, not all of us are that old..... I am positive I will be around when this hits the number.... though when it hits BR number -Sir Ronald Mathews- there may have been a few changes.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibateg Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Thanks for posting the LNER pictures Tony - I wonder how many hours it took to get your stock back on. I remember it used to take hours when setting up Stoke.. Great to see Roy there, I still remember him telling me - 'I'm going to build a model of Retford... ' Tony 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2021 I remember when page numbers were in buffet range, i missed my chance to shove a model on the page as the running number now well through sleeper range. Not too many away from FO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 14 hours ago, micklner said: Tatlow has a picture of one wagon in Cambridge Blue , I have also read suggestions that it was a very faded Oxford Blue !! . I have rarely seen in use Departmental wagons in photos, other than ex Works photos. Graeme, I presume the MS&L Bogie Brake is the Birdcage one in a siding in the photos ? Are there any other photos ? Sorry Mick, I've only just noticed your request. One here: https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?p=39097#p39097 I scratch built it a long time ago, when my skills and knowledge were more limited. Naively painted red lamp since repainted black. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 29, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 43 minutes ago, dibateg said: Thanks for posting the LNER pictures Tony - I wonder how many hours it took to get your stock back on. I remember it used to take hours when setting up Stoke.. Great to see Roy there, I still remember him telling me - 'I'm going to build a model of Retford... ' Tony Good morning Tony, It did take quite a time to re-stock LB with my '59 stock, but Jesse and I just took our time. Despite my involvement with the whole event, it went really well; all according to plan. Some of the Grantham gang arrived the weekend before, after Jesse and I had removed all my trains. They then put on the LNER trains, with each one being tested in turn. Thus, I was then able to get all the still photographs (many shown on here of late) prior to the actual weekend. I'd built a C2 and V2 for the main line........... A DJH kit. A Jamieson kit. Both painted by Geoff Haynes, these have now been sold-on, there being of no use for '58 Bytham. I also built a D9 and modified a D16/3 for the M&GNR bit........ Still employing the fudged girder bridge. And looking more-natural (for 1938) in B&W. Built from a McGowan kit (don't ask!), and painted by Geoff Haynes, I still have this - for now. Eric Fry (there is none more knowledgeable than he on matters LNER) let me borrow some of his locos for the M&GNR bit, bringing them with him when he visited a week or two before. Eric is now into his 90s and still making things. It's a privilege to know him. Of course, Graeme King and Jonathan Wealleans also brought some exquisite M&GNR locos/stock........ The whole 'gang' then got together for the actual running weekend, and I then shot the moving images (having bought a camcorder just for that purpose). I also took more stills. Late on the Sunday, all the LNER stuff was then taken off, then it was down to Jesse and me to re-stock during the week. Having made and installed the two GNR somersaults, Graham Nicholas then removed them and replaced them with the previous upper-quadrant types. I then sold the somersaults for CRUK. At the end of the week, Jesse went home. I can't quite recall, but I think Tom Foster edited the moving footage, and I processed all the stills. I then wrote an article describing the event for BRM, and the moving footage appeared in BRM's digital edition to coincide. I donated all proceeds to CRUK. Regards, Tony. 25 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarrMan Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Tony Wright said: I wonder how old we'll be before the W1's number is coincidental with these pages? Regards, Tony. Before or after 1948? Lloyd Edited November 29, 2021 by FarrMan I should read to the end before commenting. However, great minds think alike!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jesse Sim Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Good morning Tony, It did take quite a time to re-stock LB with my '59 stock, but Jesse and I just took our time. Despite my involvement with the whole event, it went really well; all according to plan. Some of the Grantham gang arrived the weekend before, after Jesse and I had removed all my trains. They then put on the LNER trains, with each one being tested in turn. Thus, I was then able to get all the still photographs (many shown on here of late) prior to the actual weekend. I'd built a C2 and V2 for the main line........... A DJH kit. A Jamieson kit. Both painted by Geoff Haynes, these have now been sold-on, there being of no use for '58 Bytham. I also built a D9 and modified a D16/3 for the M&GNR bit........ Still employing the fudged girder bridge. And looking more-natural (for 1938) in B&W. Built from a McGowan kit (don't ask!), and painted by Geoff Haynes, I still have this - for now. Eric Fry (there is none more knowledgeable than he on matters LNER) let me borrow some of his locos for the M&GNR bit, bringing them with him when he visited a week or two before. Eric is now into his 90s and still making things. It's a privilege to know him. Of course, Graeme King and Jonathan Wealleans also brought some exquisite M&GNR locos/stock........ The whole 'gang' then got together for the actual running weekend, and I then shot the moving images (having bought a camcorder just for that purpose). I also took more stills. Late on the Sunday, all the LNER stuff was then taken off, then it was down to Jesse and me to re-stock during the week. Having made and installed the two GNR somersaults, Graham Nicholas then removed them and replaced them with the previous upper-quadrant types. I then sold the somersaults for CRUK. At the end of the week, Jesse went home. I can't quite recall, but I think Tom Foster edited the moving footage, and I processed all the stills. I then wrote an article describing the event for BRM, and the moving footage appeared in BRM's digital edition to coincide. I donated all proceeds to CRUK. Regards, Tony. If I may? I didn’t help remove the stock, I believe I was either in Malta with the rest of my family, I stayed home and worked the family business for 5 weeks, met them in Malta for a week, then returned home and I left for 5 weeks in the UK. I also didn’t go home after the LNER weekend, I went north to my other adopted British family David and Christine Miller in Newcastle, who visited LB whilst I was there in November 2019. Then I went onto the Scotland for week. Then, unfortunately, I went home. Also Tony, you and I went to BRM and helped edit the moving pictures for the DVD, mostly by telling the fella in the media department of BRM where we wanted each shot to be. An all round fantastic experience for a young modeller like myself. I’ve said this before and I’ll probably be saying it till the day I clock in. But you have no idea how much that weekend meant to me. I’ve always looked up to you Tony as a kid (I’m doomed now that we’re friends) and it was also seeing Grantham in the March 2014 BRM that made me decide to go LNER. So for me to be able to be part of the ‘gang’ for a weekend and also help build Grantham in a small way ( don’t look to closely at one of the station canopy’s support brackets) really was just amazing, there are no words to describe what it meant for me. Now to call you all dear friends, I wouldn’t be the modeller I am today without all of you. So to Graham, Jonathan, Greame, Roy and Baz, thankyou. Also thanks to John Smart, Dave Jobbling and Steve White who have opened me with welcome arms through covid during the Skype call sessions. and thanks to you Tony, for giving a young, inspired, long haired, tattooed, pierced Australian bogan a chance. Better throw Mo in there for feeding me and washing my clothes! And also the rest of you lot who I’ve spoken to countless times on RMWEB!! Right, no more sooky posts, it’s back to inappropriate comments and modelling! Edited November 29, 2021 by Jesse Sim 15 5 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jesse Sim said: If I may? I didn’t help remove the stock, I believe I was either in Malta with the rest of my family, I stayed home and worked the family business for 5 weeks, met them in Malta for a week, then returned home and I left for 5 weeks in the UK. I also didn’t go home after the LNER weekend, I went north to my other adopted British family David and Christine Miller in Newcastle, who visited LB whilst I was there in November 2019. Then I went onto the Scotland for week. Then, unfortunately, I went home. Also Tony, you and I went to BRM and helped edit the moving pictures for the DVD, mostly by telling the fella in the media department of BRM where we wanted each shot to be. An all round fantastic experience for a young modeller like myself. I’ve said this before and I’ll probably be saying it till the day I clock in. But you have no idea how much that weekend meant to me. I’ve always looked up to you Tony as a kid (I’m doomed now that we’re friends) and it was also seeing Grantham in the March 2014 BRM that made me decide to go LNER. So for me to be able to be part of the ‘gang’ for a weekend and also help build Grantham in a small way ( don’t look to closely at one of the station canopy’s support brackets) really was just amazing, there are no words to describe what it meant for me. Now to call you all dear friends, I wouldn’t be the modeller I am today without all of you. So to Graham, Jonathan, Greame, Roy and Baz, thankyou. Also thanks to John Smart, Dave Jobbling and Steve White who have opened me with welcome arms through covid during the Skype call sessions. and thanks to you Tony, for giving a young, inspired, long haired, tattooed, pierced Australian bogan a chance. Better throw Mo in there for feeding me and washing my clothes! And also the rest of you lot who I’ve spoken to countless times on RMWEB!! Right, no more sooky posts, it’s back to inappropriate comments and modelling! You may, With pleasure, Jesse, In 50 years time you'll have a memory like mine. How did I manage to put everything back on LB without help? Of course, I've forgotten how we went to BRM to edit the footage (pre-Covid, of course). I think Tom Foster was originally going to shoot the footage, then edit it - that's how I've got muddled up. As for Skype, I promise to do better. Despite all of your showing me how to do it, I still didn't manage it on Friday night. Regards, Tony. Edited November 29, 2021 by Tony Wright typo error 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 29, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 Back into modelling mode again............. I acquired a DJH Raven A2 kit (untouched) some little time ago, complete with wheels (I didn't pay a lot for it). Here's the pre-rolled brass boiler. Sellotape had been used to retain the roll. Ah, the pestilence of old Sellotape! The tape itself just crumbled away, leaving this nasty residue. Solvent-cleaning didn't touch it, but it's now been removed with wet & dry and a fibreglass brush. I intend to make it as the second one. That means inside bearings to the pony, but I'm making an eight-wheeled tender to go behind it, representing the time from its partnering with this through to the loco's withdrawal, and without the Westinghouse equipment. Geoff Haynes will paint it (he's painted its wheels already) and then I'll sell it on, after writing an article about it. Just to 'balance' things, I'm building a GWR 0-6-0ST at the same time! 22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Flintoft Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Hi everyone , I know this is a long shot but a friend of mine is making a study of the Heaton to Manchester Red Bank empty newspaper train .He particularly requires the locomotives used from York to Manchester on various dates in 1963 & 1964 . He also needs more information on which steam locos appeared between Newcastle & York during 1966 , particularly whether Farnley Junction Jubilee no . 45581 " Bihar and Orissa " worked the train that year . If anyone can help with any dated sightings I will be very grateful & will pass them onto him . Thanks , Ray . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Barry Ten Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 Here's the progress on that USRA pacific I was detailing a few weeks ago. I added new handrails, repainted it, relined it and added a smidge of weathering. These locos were retired (in or around 1953 I think) and got a bit grimy near the end of their working lives. 19 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon4470 Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Tony Wright said: I intend to make it as the second one. That means inside bearings to the pony, but I'm making an eight-wheeled tender to go behind it, representing the time from its partnering with this through to the loco's withdrawal, and without the Westinghouse equipment. Hello Tony Looking forward to seeing the Raven A2 build - one of my favourite classes of loco. Here’s my version of “the second one” 2401 City of Kingston upon Hull (or rather it will be when I get around to painting it) This will be the earlier incarnation with 6 wheel tender and Westinghouse pump. I bought this loco structurally complete. I corrected a few errors and added the detailing. I tried to add to, rather than rebuild, the loco as I wanted to keep the essence of the original build. I believe that this is a Jamieson hand cut kit. If not, then it was scratch built using the style of Jamieson kits. Jon 21 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 City of Kingston upon Hull in her final form. 16 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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