PenrithBeacon Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 See http://www.southernregionmodels.co.uk/2014/07/508-313-etc-masters-first-pictures/ Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 A 2 car 313 for Croxley WRD maybe! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Class 313 034 ran as a 2 car EMU in the late 1980's on the Croxley Green branch. The centre trailer pantograph car was used in the Class 316/457 3 phase test unit along with former Class 210 cars 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Ayjay Models/Southern Region Models (http://www.southernregionmodels.co.uk/) were showing a pre-production 313/508 set of moulds but I have no idea if or when they will go into production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Photos available on: http://www.southernregionmodels.co.uk The cab moulding looks quite ragged (especially around the horns). I will be interested to see a decorated sample. Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2015 Not sure if it is just my old dodgy eyes but it don't look quite right. The problem is where to start saying oh deary me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm no EMU expert, and its always good to see someone having a go and producing something that wouldn't otherwise be available, but I have to agree with Clive here. Its hard to see exactly on a plain grey model, but the cab windows look too small to me, the saloon windows seem too deep or too low, and the chamfered section of the cabside is definitely too short (it should stretch back as far as below the cab side window). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm no EMU expert, and its always good to see someone having a go and producing something that wouldn't otherwise be available, but I have to agree with Clive here. Its hard to see exactly on a plain grey model, but the cab windows look too small to me, the saloon windows seem too deep or too low, and the chamfered section of the cabside is definitely too short (it should stretch back as far as below the cab side window). Agreed on all those points. £180-£190 seems like quite a lot for the quality being demonstrated. Some of the front details have either been obscured by too-thick application of primer or they have been crudely shaped from styrene in the first place. There is a world of difference between something like this and a kit produced from a CAD process. Compare this to the kits that DC Kits used to produce (for far less money!). Anyway, maybe best not to pre-judge. Let's have a look at them at Warley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2015 As someone who works with 313's on daily basis I can tell you right now there is a LOT wrong with that!! I am sure I have seen this discussion and indeed that image somewhere else and the suggestion was that a new mould has been made by using an old MTK kit which the front end on this mess strongly represents. The chassis and bogies look pretty good but that body shell is quite frankly pretty naff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven156 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I work with the Class 313's relative the ScotRail Class 314 and I have to agree that the bodyshell looks very off. Cab windscreens are far too small for a start unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2015 One thing to remember however is that the windscreens on the 313/315/507/508 family are quite small but tend to appear larger thanks to black surrounds being painted on them. Even still, these are still way off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 MTK lives! Shame really, I wanted one of the TS's to make a 455/7, but won't be using that as the basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2015 Agreed on all those points. £180-£190 seems like quite a lot for the quality being demonstrated. Some of the front details have either been obscured by too-thick application of primer or they have been crudely shaped from styrene in the first place. There is a world of difference between something like this and a kit produced from a CAD process. Compare this to the kits that DC Kits used to produce (for far less money!). Anyway, maybe best not to pre-judge. Let's have a look at them at Warley? Prices, are expected to be 260.00 -270.00 per kit . http://www.southernregionmodels.co.uk/ Hi Guy Are we reading the same price tag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Hi Guy Are we reading the same price tag. Eeeekk!!!!! I hope whoever is doing this isn't forking out to someone like CMA Mouldform to make a copy of an MTK kit. Does feel like it though! If I wanted one that bad I'd design my own kit rather than fork out £300. You could probably commission Revolution Trains to make one RTR for the same price! Guy Edited August 13, 2015 by lyneux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha230 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I personally think that not many of these (kits) priced at £260-£270, it clearly derived from the old MTK kit, its a shame the amsie one never got finished that one looked correct and it was only a test 3d printed shell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha230 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The Amsie one with vinyl sides added that was oo scale, it looked far superior to that heap of rubbish. And it had not even been finished with final details added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Have we not already said all this a few days ago? I hope they will not be selling them under the DC Kit name at Warley as Charlie's reputation will go through the floor if the model quality is not improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha230 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 We have said this a few days ago, but its either on another post, or people are reading a different post, I think we are trying to stress that the model is basically just a modified MTK kit that's being cast in resin but with etched window frames, and for the kind of money he is asking for it I feel very few people will buy it, and it will backfire on him, for £260-£270 I would expect something that looks like the prototype not something that most people can tell is derived from the old MTK kit and then cast in resin. If he is not that bothered he could end up with loads of resin bodies that he would of paid fairly high prices to get casted and people wont buy the kit as it looks absolute rubbish. Anyone could do that by packing the Aluminium or etched brass mtk bodyshells with plasticard and then getting the master cast in resin. He should of got someone like yourself Pete who can at least design a model and get it 3d printed or cast in resin that looks like the real thing. Its like me saying I am bringing out a Class 321 emu kit cast in resin for £260 for a 4 car unit, then keeping people hanging on a year or two, then its unveiled it turns out to be derived from the old mtk kit, but more expensive than the Bratchell one that's injection moulded and slightly cheaper and missing some accurate underframe parts although the bratchell bodies are quite good, but then again when DC kits did a resin class 150/2 with etched brass window frames just before the Bachmann one came out anyone remember how awful that looked. I hope this abortion of a kit wont sell at all, then he will probably say to people emu kits don't sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Have we not already said all this a few days ago? I hope they will not be selling them under the DC Kit name at Warley as Charlie's reputation will go through the floor if the model quality is not improved. Must be on another thread. Not sure what you are implying with DC Kits or how you even made that connection? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Not sure what you are implying with DC Kits or how you even made that connection Guy, their advert implies these units (!) will be on sale on Charlie's stand at Warley. I'd give a lot to know what dear old Colin (MTK) would make of this. Vague notions of copyright occurred to me though that was never exactly Colin's style. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted August 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2015 Guy, their advert implies these units (!) will be on sale on Charlie's stand at Warley. I'd give a lot to know what dear old Colin (MTK) would make of this. Vague notions of copyright occurred to me though that was never exactly Colin's style. Stu I think that Colin would be rather pleased that anyone thought his work worth copying. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'd give a lot to know what dear old Colin (MTK) would make of this. Vague notions of copyright occurred to me though that was never exactly Colin's style. NNK were still advertising these kits (either the 507 or 508) until Alastair Rolfe passed away about 4-5 years ago, and the range ended up with Phoenix. They presumably own any copyright. The NNK price list used to mention that he'd had to scrape textured ceiling paint off the photo-tools for the 507....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha230 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I am not implying anything other than DC kits are sharing a stand with him and DC kits did an awful looking class150/2 resin kit just before Bachmann brought its class 150/2 out, im not saying that DC kits had anything to do with this kit other than sharing a stand. I was putting across that with all the advances in 3d printing ect people nowadays expect much higher standards, I just think its a big joke expecting people to pay that kind of money for something that's been derived from the old Mtk kit from the 80,s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Look in Latest Updates http://www.southernregionmodels.co.uk/2014/07/508-313-etc-masters-first-pictures/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha230 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I cant see anything new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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