Nick G Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, 101 said: I think the body will need to come off and put some paint on the insides, they may also benefit from a little extra weight whilst the body is off too The roof pops off so that's the easy option. I agree about the air pipes! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) I ended up with four vans. The Railfreight orange ones need the handles picking out in white too. Might get some railtec transfers to add some variety too. Paul Edited January 11, 2022 by birdseyecircus Picture 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 50 minutes ago, Nick G said: The roof pops off so that's the easy option. I agree about the air pipes! That's handy - will make things easier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just as an update, I've taken the roof off of one - as Nick G said it just pops off- and sprayed a couple of quick coats of black paint to the inside and it has made a big difference, it also appears to have had a bit of a pre shading effect and has toned the red down a bit, so it's not quite so 'luminous' Also I've weighed them at 138g so they do seem to be heavy enough and meet the g per mm rule pretty well. The brake pipes really are undernourished though and as I said would look better on a 4mm model! Two of the pipes from a VEA next to a Heljan equivalent. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I made a start at weathering one of my nine today I also added some weight. I did consider painting inside to see what difference it makes but haven't done so yet. I am modelling them towards the end of there life so they were quite faded by then. Progress so far... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, 101 said: Just as an update, I've taken the roof off of one - as Nick G said it just pops off- and sprayed a couple of quick coats of black paint to the inside and it has made a big difference, Any photos of how the red looks now that you have painted inside black? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, Nick G said: Any photos of how the red looks now that you have painted inside black? I did try a photo but the camera didn't show the difference very well, but to my eyes it definitely looks better - very quick to do - a couple of minutes with some masking tape and some paper and 30 seconds with a rattle can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, 101 said: I did try a photo but the camera didn't show the difference very well, but to my eyes it definitely looks better - very quick to do - a couple of minutes with some masking tape and some paper and 30 seconds with a rattle can OK thanks. I may do one tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeford2002uk Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 6 hours ago, 101 said: Just as an update, I've taken the roof off of one - as Nick G said it just pops off- and sprayed a couple of quick coats of black paint to the inside and it has made a big difference, it also appears to have had a bit of a pre shading effect and has toned the red down a bit, so it's not quite so 'luminous' If you have the black rattle can out, you might like to check out the door hanging guides at the top of the body sides, quite a number including 230078 and 230117 (as modelled by Dapol) appear to be painted black on Paul Bartletts site https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/vea Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, 101 said: The brake pipes really are undernourished though and as I said would look better on a 4mm model! Snip in half and use a piece of outer coating from some electrical wire pushed onto the stumps. Edited January 13, 2022 by Hal Nail 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I have ordered a couple today, so have been looking at the Paul Bartlett site. It looks like the yellow air pipe was removed early 80s I certainly don't remember seeing twin piped VEAs when I worked at Eastleigh. Also looks like the black painted bufferbeam and lower door runner was more common later in the 80s possibly after some had been in works for overhaul. mid to late 80s wagons seem to have black paint behind the TOPS panel. Plenty of variety for us modellers to tweak our models. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Hal Nail said: Snip in half and use a piece of outer coating from some electrical wire pushed onto the stumps. Good thinking 16 minutes ago, P.C.M said: It looks like the yellow air pipe was removed early 80s I certainly don't remember seeing twin piped VEAs when I worked at Eastleigh. Also looks like the black painted bufferbeam and lower door runner was more common later in the 80s possibly after some had been in works for overhaul. mid to late 80s wagons seem to have black paint behind the TOPS panel. Yes the Reservoir/yellow pipes were removed from most types of wagons in the early eighties (can't remember the date) when most freight trains became single piped. As far as can tell the black backed TOPS panels were applied on the Shildon built vehicles (higher numbers) but they also had a narrower top red band and a different, smaller not stencilled Railfreight panel. I've been thinking myself about respraying the grey to make one of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, 101 said: Good thinking Yes the Reservoir/yellow pipes were removed from most types of wagons in the early eighties (can't remember the date) when most freight trains became single piped. As far as can tell the black backed TOPS panels were applied on the Shildon built vehicles (higher numbers) but they also had a narrower top red band and a different, smaller not stencilled Railfreight panel. I've been thinking myself about respraying the grey to make one of those. I hadn't noticed the narrower top red band. Might have to do that on some 4mm ones I haven't finished yet. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Lots of useful information to help me renumber and detail my nine, thanks guys. Looking on https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/vea at 230078 which is one Dapol has modelled is it me or does it have a red roof? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 23 hours ago, Nick G said: Lots of useful information to help me renumber and detail my nine, thanks guys. Looking on https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/vea at 230078 which is one Dapol has modelled is it me or does it have a red roof? Yes there were some with red roofs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Done a bit more on one of my VEA's. Even though I have changed the Railfreight branding to the non stencilled version I am not happy, its to big and not straight. I will change it again for something smaller. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtybella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 A closer look at the vans….there’s a need for a history update and some clarification - the was filmed before people really drilled down into the vans. I’ll be respraying the red, and doing the other bits people have mentioned. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I think you might want to study your history books a bit longer - 'converted from open wagons' ? Jon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, Courtybella said: A closer look at the vans….there’s a need for a history update and some clarification - the was filmed before people really drilled down into the vans. I’ll be respraying the red, and doing the other bits people have mentioned. I know about the red being coloured plastic but what are other bits that need doing to improve them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtybella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 52 minutes ago, jonhall said: I think you might want to study your history books a bit longer - 'converted from open wagons' ? Jon Yes, as I said there is some clarification on historical elements… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtybella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 38 minutes ago, Nick G said: I know about the red being coloured plastic but what are other bits that need doing to improve them? Picking out the white hand rails, and handles, silver on the buffers vice black, new pipes and removal of one, added weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 16, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2022 Took me by surprise that they’d arrived but I’ve ordered a couple and thanks for the notes on the red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, Courtybella said: Picking out the white hand rails, and handles, silver on the buffers vice black, new pipes and removal of one, added weight. Ah right, done all that except for improving/replacing the air pipe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtybella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Depends on whether I’ve any in my odds and sods box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Experimenting with faded - torn Hazchem symbols. Still work in progress! 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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