RBE Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 What triple grey? Probably the one I've painted the most if I'm honest. They grilles on the 37 are a pain. I mask them with Tamiya tape. Its a bit of an excercise with tape a cutting mat metal ruler and sharp scalpel. Having said that I have painted them by hand in the past as the grilles hold the paint. I have a very steady hand. Cav Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Be careful masking and handpainting especially on grilles as the paint goes on much thicker and wetter and will try to pull under the tape much more than spraying. The grilles edge can also prevent the best sealing of the tape to the surface too. If you can mask it well I would spray. Hand brushing is better if trying to avoid the masking stage I find. Cav Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Also, does anybody know what colour the roofs were on these things, same as upper bodyside, or light grey as per the blue ones? It's very difficult to tell from photographs. I'd say they were more likely to be Rail Grey, although this was the transition period to Falcon Grey. The transformer oil header tank was usually a good indication of the roof colour, as long as it was clean enough. There are some translucent glass fibre panels towards the ends, I used Executive Light Grey for these, with a hint of yellow. It's the first time I've seen a Heljan loco done as an 86/1, mind you, I haven't seen many done as an 86 at all. Are you planning to change the bogie sideframes...? Edited May 5, 2013 by 298 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Looks good Lee. I have to second the last comment though. The bogie frames are wrong for a 86/1 they shiuld be class 87 type. Cav Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) Watch the pan too lee as the 1ers had a brecknall willis high speed not the stone faveley one that Heljan represent. Having said that the Heljan one is only fit for the bin in any case. There was also an observation pod on the roof too. Cav Edited May 5, 2013 by RBE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Hi guys. Sparkys aren't a loco I am familiar with in great detail, my client hasn't asked for anything to be changed on the bogies. I'll let him know they are now incorrect though! Such are the joys of producing locos for other people- you put your name to a repaint to the client's specification (they might not have asked for certain details to be removed as this would add to the time involved), then if the model is sold on or displayed, it's you that gets the bad name for not following the exact prototype. You also have a choice of colour for the rear of the cab roof, either light or dark grey (to match the roof), yellow, or more commonly- dirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 But Lee a completely different bogie and pantograph isnt a few little rivets. It amounts to accepting the old Hornby class 37 with its 47 bogies and saying the same thing. Its a completely different bogie not a minor detail. The underframe is different too but the bogies are much more noticable. I have attached a photo from flickr to demonstrate. Cav 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) I'm not shooting it down in flames the respray is a cracking job and changing rtr stuff to something more unique and treasurable is to be encouraged for sure, I was just making the point of the client needing to know his/her subject or you to inform him/her if they don't. As you said the other day that you would let him know they are wrong the point had not been made clear prior to starting the work. You have now let him know and he is ok with it as you have said. The point Im making is in future the client may not be ok with it and you could have been down a pretty work intensive path to find it wrong and the client not happy with the error. This all sounds a bit heavy and its not meant to be, just friendly advice. I usually do a little research on the prototype loco in question compared with the model loco prior to any agreement in order to pull up any such errors at day one and give the option to do the details or change the prototype number to suit depending on the clients needs. That way there is no danger of disappointment later on. I do try to avoid blatent errors though as like 298 said should that loco change hands the errors are tied to you as the one who did the work despite the clients attitude towards detail. Cav Edited May 5, 2013 by RBE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I think you are taking this completely the wrong way Lee. We all very much enjoy seeing your work which is outstanding quality. All that I am offering is a little advice. It isn't pointless ramblings for the sake of it and takes nothing away from the great work and comments of encouragement that I and many others have left before. Deleting this thread would be unwarranted and a crying shame as it has served as inspiration to many. Cav 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mr.S.corn78 Posted May 5, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2013 Hi all, It's a shame that Lee has had to delete his posts as it was good to watch things develope RBE, can I ask if you do commission work?? Regards Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I'm not even sure why he has. It is a shame indeed as Lees work is very good. I do do commission work yes. Drop me a pm if you would like to discuss as this certainly isnt the place to discuss further. Cav Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 But Lee a completely different bogie and pantograph isnt a few little rivets. It amounts to accepting the old Hornby class 37 with its 47 bogies and saying the same thing. Its a completely different bogie not a minor detail. The underframe is different too but the bogies are much more noticable. I have attached a photo from flickr to demonstrate. 7542527060_8c203f18c1.jpg Cav I'd have put money on the later full yellow front end preceeding the change from the earlier type of TDM dummy socket to the more common one as modelled by Heljan, but there's the photo as proof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mr.S.corn78 Posted May 5, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) Hi, Thanks for the reply. I was just wondering if you did. I do all my own modelling work so don't need any. Regards Edited May 5, 2013 by Mr.S.corn78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) Yes I found the tdms rather interesting too. Edited May 5, 2013 by RBE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) Hi Guys. I think I'm back Apologies for my 'dummy out of the pram' moment earlier in the month, I have had some personal issues and have not been the happiest person in the World. Hopefully back to normal now, and more importantly, back to updates from the workbench. So here are a couple of updates. Now this is a bit different to my usual flavour of stock. I have to say this particular loco, ugly as it is, has a very strange attraction to it. Or maybe its just me! Not a lot done, front end detailing added, and a general weathering. Another lovely model to reach the workbench...Heljan's 128. It's an absolute pleasure to work on these things. Again this is slightly out of my chosen period of modelling, but on seeing it at my local model shop, I just couldn't resist. Heljan certainly seem to have upped their game of late. Dirty and dusty. A new technique tried here....I have tried to replicate dirt that has been rainwashed along the vehicle, and then dried. It's not that easy to pick out from the picture, but the engine and surrounding area is quite heavily oil stained. Greasy buffers to finish! Another 'different' vehicle to my usual stuff, an Inter-City Swallow dvt. Inspired I think after last months Inter City repainted 86! A particular area I wanted to get right was the cab roof. They have a characteristic streaking, where dirt is forced up and back from the sloped cab front, especially in the wet. I'm happy with the result. I must admit, I found these vehicles completely uninteresting, and totally lacking in character when they arrived in force on the ECML (they are completely silent!), but this Hornby one is a really nice model. Looks the business with lights and a dusting down. And back to my staple diet 37506.Had this sitting on the bench for way to long to do for a mate who I owed a big favour to. This is getting large white numbers, and the name 'British Steel Skinningrove'. I created a glossy patch for the new number, and also removed the plain white Thornaby Kingfisher on the engine room doors, and replaced them with the coloured ones. I ended up having to use Fox gauge 1 running numbers....the 00 large logo ones were too big. These are the same size as the oddly sized ones found on some large logo Scottish 37's and 47's. Edited June 2, 2013 by blueeighties 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Some good work there Lee. Like the dvt roof especially. As for your love hate thing with the 70. I must say that they have grown on me. They are to me very reminicent of a class 58 the next generation! Cav Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share Posted June 2, 2013 Funny that, I have never realised it before, but yes, I felt exactly the same way about the 'new fangled' 58's when they arrived. Hmmm...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 How did you do the grease on the 128 buffers Lee? Of all the above, that particular area of that particular picture jumped out at me. I must be a bit greasy myself eh?.... Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Good morning Sean. Gloss black, with some weathering powders mixed in does the trick :-) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Hi Lee, how did you get the effect of the washed-dirt over the DVT cab... it does look good and would be useful elsewehere too. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Hi Jon Really simple mate. A ligt dusting of the chosen colour with the airbrush, and then just remove to taste using cotton buds, streaking in whichever direction you want the dirt to run. In this case, front of cab to back. When finished and dry, I then sprayed a little bit more muck build up along the rear cab bulkheadline. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhillboy Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) Good to have you and your work back posting. Always one of my favourite threads to keep coming back to, the standard of work is superb. That DVT cab roof is spot on. Edited June 3, 2013 by millerhillboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d winpenny Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Looking great, david Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Hi Jon Really simple mate. A ligt dusting of the chosen colour with the airbrush, and then just remove to taste using cotton buds, streaking in whichever direction you want the dirt to run. In this case, front of cab to back. When finished and dry, I then sprayed a little bit more muck build up along the rear cab bulkheadline. Cheers Lee... yes that makes sense I'll be giving that a go soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Thanks guys! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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