Midland Railway : American Pullman Cars + Clerestory Coaches generally

[terry_nyorks]

This taken from http://www.rmweb.co....age__st__1025 "Bachmann Midland Pullman" as it is a separate discussion where it seems there is some interest in the earlier 1874+ American clerestory outline Imported Pullman coaches of the Midland Railway.

 

On the Bachmann Blue Pullman discussion, Natalie Graham posted on 27 November 2012 - 14:28 :

I'm disappointed. I saw the thread about Midland Pullmans and thought Bachmann were doing models of these http://www.flickr.co...ool-2031425@N22

 

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But if you want more picture examples, see the full photostream http://www.flickr.co...s/67908005@N02/, and for meore example of clerestory coaches worldwide, see : http://www.flickr.co...ps/2031425@N22/ where there are many American outline cars, as well as others built overseas.

 

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On the Bachmann Blue Pullman discussion, Postozzyo, posted on 28 November 2012 - 22:11 :

That looks a bit like the one that Triang did, god knows how many year ago.

 

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Yes, American outline but dimensions wrong, too short etc.: (http://www.flickr.co...ol-2031425@N22/ ). Compare to the pics in the photostream and group. Avid and skilled modellers might cannibalise two into one, though. R448-"Old Time coach" in the Davy Crocket set; produced 1962-1965.

 

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If there is enough demand, Labelle ( https://www.labellemodels.com/ ) might be prepered to build a suitable run, as their kits are nearest that I can find. This would be appropriate as Labelle make in wood, and the coaches in the 1880's were all wood including integral underframe.

 

So the question is : How many modellers would like to go down the road of such coaches?

 

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[Poor Old Bruce]

I'd probably be interested in one for a push-pull conversion. Does anyone have any info on what the driving end looked like though?

[uax6]

The odvious ones to do would be the later 12 wheeled sleeping cars, that just about lasted to LMS days (upto about 1933). I'm interested, but to be honest I think I will be making one out of plastikard, and I can't see there being much of a market.

 

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The Clerestory Pullmans weren't just on the Midland, the South Coast Companies used quite a few (although I have no idea how long they lasted), and these I can see would have a wider audience than just the MR ones.

 

Also would it be worth speaking to Stephen Middleton to see if he would be interested in doing a Balmoral as a fund rasier to restore the original, and maybe the Midland Railway Muesum too?

 

Andy Greening

[terry_nyorks]

 

....BUT,

 

The Clerestory Pullmans weren't just on the Midland, the South Coast Companies used quite a few ...

 

Also would it be worth speaking to Stephen Middleton to see if he would be interested in doing a Balmoral as a fund rasier to restore the original, and maybe the Midland Railway Muesum too?

 

Andy Greening

 

Thanks Andy. As to the SR stock, it comes back as always to getting photo contributions to the group! If you know anyone who would like to contribute from this era and company, that would be great. Even the Bluebell has LMS stock (though not clerestory) of that era: . There is however, some excellant documentation on Pullmans from SR sources (but I'll have to dig out the hypelink details).

 

As to Stephen Middleton, please give me his details (pm perhaps). Anything that will help towards what MRC Butterley is planning on doing with their Pullman project is well worth while.

[terry_nyorks]

Here's a couple of links for those who want to explore further re SR Pullman's, which started as clerestories, and a Brighton factory (as I recall, started by the Pullman company), and went onto bow roof outline:

 

http://scm.pastfinders.org/scm_29_pullman.htm

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/coupe/index.html

[uax6]

Terry,

 

Stephen Middleton can be contacted via his Stately Trains website.

 

I have a good selection of scanned plans for the SR pullmans from the Model Railway Constructor plans pages. Indeed I think somewhere I have a plan of Balmoral (although I'm sure Stephen has anyway!). There is a drawing or two for the MR sleeping pullman in Midland carriages by Essery and Jenkinson.

 

Andy G

[Nick Holliday]

Just a note that Marc Models already can supply Brighton Pullmans. The later clerestory types are available as kits, for around £60, whilst they have just introduced a selection of the earlier ones as Ready to Run, but without any pricing.

Most of the information one might need can be found in The American Pullman Cars of the Midland Railway by J B Radford - Ian Allan - ISBN 0 7110 1387 X which includes photos of the push-pull conversions.

[martin_m]

'Poor Old Bruce' was asking about info on what the driving end looked like.

The photo at Wirksworth seems to show a relatively normal coach, with only the control gear box showing.

There is another nice photo in Midland Railway Carriages, Vol 2, Lacy & Dow showing a grounded body with an extension. The end of that looks like that on a coach shown in action at Ripley station, c 1927, as part of a bigger train. That photo that can be found on the North East Midland Photographic Record site, reference DCAV000591

That end is not dissimilar to that of the Motor carriage (steam railmotor)

martin

[Poor Old Bruce]

Thanks Martin, I'll check that out.