Whats on your 2mm Work bench

[eldavo]

Pretty little thing. Amazing you can get such results from a (relatively) simple machine.

 

Cheers

Dave

 

[1965Nick]

More Mark 1 coach progress. The FO is looking good (in my eyes). Main body structure more or less finished, waiting to be cleaned up. Already thinking about paintwork. 
The chassis is nearly finished, just waiting on another vacuum cylinder to come. Then ready to clean up. 
Next, start on the bogies. I’m still on the look out for a B4 bogie etch but in the mean time I’ll build the mk1 bogie etch that came with it. The resin roof needs drilling to fit the ventilators. 
The level of detail in these kits is amazing, beating the 4mm etched kits I built in the 80s and early 90s. The designer has done an amazing job with how it all fits together. This is becoming addictive. 
I’m wondering how to tackle the interior, do people bother about these? 
Now to start on the BG.

Edited January 13, 2021 by 1965Nick

[Pixie]

 

I’m sure Rolls Royce made some excellent cars, but their DMUs were bloody ugly.

 

Pix

[1965Nick]

2 hours ago, Pixie said:

 

I’m sure Rolls Royce made some excellent cars, but their DMUs were bloody ugly.

 

Pix

Class 127 as used on the Bedpan line?

[-missy-]

Hi.

 

It can be quite thought provoking putting something like this together. So many constraints appear once you get something together. This has taken me a few attempts to get this far, I haven't even thought about cutting metal (and plastic) yet.

 

 

Julia.

[2mm Andy]

1 hour ago, -missy- said:

Hi.

 

It can be quite thought provoking putting something like this together. So many constraints appear once you get something together. This has taken me a few attempts to get this far, I haven't even thought about cutting metal (and plastic) yet.

 

Julia.

Impressive. Where does the trailing truck pivot fit in relation to all the gears? (assuming that's the little Kerr Stuart 'Brazil' class loco).

 

Andy

[Ian Morgan]

I have now completed my model of a PLV that went to the Isle of Wight, ready for some light weathering. These vans arrived on the island just a couple of years before the Freshwater line closed, so if they actually ventured that far west, they would still be fairly clean in their crimson livery, and still retained their roof vents. I am hoping the air brake arrangement was not too different to the vacuum brake rigging.

The body is an old (but soon to be re-released) Chivers kit and I have put it on an etched chassis from the 2mm Scale Association. Transfers are from Cambridge Custom Transfers, but I had to form the number from separate digits (which are very small) to make S1046, one of the even planked vans. The transfer sheet helpfully included S1409 which lended itself nicely for chopping up.

I was not sure if the wooden bars behind the windows were painted white, so I painted them to represent either light new timber or dirty white paint.

Cruelly enlarged photo of model (it is not that bright in normal light):

 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Ian Morgan
re-loaded image

[Nig H]

Here are some pics of my L & Y 2-4-2T, finally completed ready for painting after having been left for years waiting for a chimney, dome and safety valves. This will be 50850, once a Bolton engine and the last of the class to be withdrawn, from Southport.

 

 

 

 

 

Nig H

[Geordie Exile]

Don't know if this counts as on my workbench, but it's what I've spent the last few evenings working on.  Fenwick Pit was part of the Backworth system, which added 200 bespoke wagons to its fleet from 1938, many of which survived until the pit was shut.  These 15t hoppers from Charles Roberts have an unmistakable end, with the lower planks not there - the only reason I've come up with is that it would allow the sloping interior sides to be banged to encourage discharging, but I'm open to other suggestions (saving wood therefore cost and weight?).  There's dozens of them in this photo:

(source: Flickr - Billy Embleton Collection)

 

I've been playing with this using QCAD - at the moment I'm barely thinking about which elements get half-etched, or joined together and hinged.  Rather I'm concentrating on producing 2D versions of pictures.  This is where I've got so far: 

(Source: My desktop!)

I'm up to 8 different layers so far.  I've got to the stage where I'm working on the internal sides, with slopes, which meet, and I'm doing my best to remember O-Level trig!  I'm standing on the shoulders of giants here, with advice from Bob Jones and the contributors to the etching thread, to whom: thank you.

 

Richard

[bill-lobb]

12 hours ago, Geordie Exile said:

Don't know if this counts as on my workbench, but it's what I've spent the last few evenings working on.  Fenwick Pit was part of the Backworth system, which added 200 bespoke wagons to its fleet from 1938, many of which survived until the pit was shut.  These 15t hoppers from Charles Roberts have an unmistakable end, with the lower planks not there - the only reason I've come up with is that it would allow the sloping interior sides to be banged to encourage discharging, but I'm open to other suggestions (saving wood therefore cost and weight?).  There's dozens of them in this photo:

(source: Flickr - Billy Embleton Collection)

 

I've been playing with this using QCAD - at the moment I'm barely thinking about which elements get half-etched, or joined together and hinged.  Rather I'm concentrating on producing 2D versions of pictures.  This is where I've got so far: 

(Source: My desktop!)

I'm up to 8 different layers so far.  I've got to the stage where I'm working on the internal sides, with slopes, which meet, and I'm doing my best to remember O-Level trig!  I'm standing on the shoulders of giants here, with advice from Bob Jones and the contributors to the etching thread, to whom: thank you.

 

Richard

 

I'm really enjoying this thread. It makes me all nostalgic for my days at junior school racing the trains that ran along the Fawdon Waggonway beside the playing field. You are probably already  aware of it, but if not there is a decent photograph of one of the Charles Roberts hoppers and some dimensions in Bill Hudson's Private Owner Wagons V 4, Plate 87.

 

Bill

[Caley Jim]

Drawing is looking good, Richard.  The challenge is now to convert that into viable artwork for etching!  (been there, etc!)

 

I suspect the missing planks were to save weight.  After all they would serve no useful purpose.  Saving tare weight was one of the reasons for the move to steel underframes at the end of the 1800's.

 

Jim

[Revolution Ben]

Hello Geordie,

 

That looks great.  I am not familiar with these wagons; are the ones you're doing the same as the three wagons to the immediate left of the locomotive?  If so, and comparing your drawing, should the undercut at the lower edge of the sides be slightly steeper and taller, and tapering into the top edge of the solebar, rather than occluding it?

 

cheers

 

Ben A.

[Geordie Exile]

6 hours ago, bill-lobb said:

 

I'm really enjoying this thread. It makes me all nostalgic for my days at junior school racing the trains that ran along the Fawdon Waggonway beside the playing field. You are probably already  aware of it, but if not there is a decent photograph of one of the Charles Roberts hoppers and some dimensions in Bill Hudson's Private Owner Wagons V 4, Plate 87.

 

Bill

 

Cheers, Bill. I'm not familiar with the book, and those dimensions would have been useful to confirm what I've got.  I suspect the I've seen the photograph already, one way or another!

 

4 hours ago, Ben A said:

Hello Geordie,

 

That looks great.  I am not familiar with these wagons; are the ones you're doing the same as the three wagons to the immediate left of the locomotive?  If so, and comparing your drawing, should the undercut at the lower edge of the sides be slightly steeper and taller, and tapering into the top edge of the solebar, rather than occluding it?

 

cheers

 

Ben A.

 

Hey, Ben.  If you're referring to the bit I think you are, that's the strapping which I've already considered in terms of the fold required. (It'll be etched as a side/end strap with a top-to-bottom fold.  This before & after shows what my thoughts are:

But it also shows I've got the width wrong on the bottom portion!

 

My plan is to print the 'finished' artwork onto plastic card at 4mm scale to try a test fit before I commit to nickel-silver (and incur those costs!)

 

Richard

[Geordie Exile]

22 hours ago, Ben A said:

Hello Geordie,

 

That looks great.  I am not familiar with these wagons; are the ones you're doing the same as the three wagons to the immediate left of the locomotive?  If so, and comparing your drawing, should the undercut at the lower edge of the sides be slightly steeper and taller, and tapering into the top edge of the solebar, rather than occluding it?

 

cheers

 

Ben A.

Just re-read your post, Ben, and realised I misunderstood it.  The two lowest planks on the sides will fold 30 degrees (ish) and sit on top of the solebar. 

 

R

Edited January 21, 2021 by Geordie Exile

[nick_bastable]

Very much not on my work bench  Martin Allen has been off and on checking security at Canterbury Model Railways Clubs premises.   He has taken the opportunity to progress the 2mm test circuit we started January 2020 and sent me the following video

 

 

 

This has fired some mojo in me and I will be attending my work bench this afternoon first time in months.

 

When eventually we can resume meetings it will enable me to run all those locos  that have spent their life shuttling a few feet ( I expect that may throw up issues )    Wonder what a 12 car CEP will look like ?

 

Nick B

Edited January 21, 2021 by nick_bastable
pp spelling as usual

[Valentin]

25 minutes ago, nick_bastable said:

This has fired some mojo in me and I will be attending my work bench this afternoon first time in months.

 

Nick B

 

Same here

[Kylestrome]

20 hours ago, Geordie Exile said:

But it also shows I've got the width wrong on the bottom portion!

 

You need to make the cut angle the same on the top and bottom pieces. Here is a greatly exaggerated example:

 

         

Edited January 21, 2021 by Kylestrome

[Nick Mitchell]

On 19/01/2021 at 22:27, Geordie Exile said:

Don't know if this counts as on my workbench, but it's what I've spent the last few evenings working on.  Fenwick Pit was part of the Backworth system, which added 200 bespoke wagons to its fleet from 1938, many of which survived until the pit was shut.  These 15t hoppers from Charles Roberts have an unmistakable end, with the lower planks not there - the only reason I've come up with is that it would allow the sloping interior sides to be banged to encourage discharging, but I'm open to other suggestions (saving wood therefore cost and weight?).  There's dozens of them in this photo:

(source: Flickr - Billy Embleton Collection)

 

I've been playing with this using QCAD - at the moment I'm barely thinking about which elements get half-etched, or joined together and hinged.  Rather I'm concentrating on producing 2D versions of pictures.  This is where I've got so far: 

(Source: My desktop!)

I'm up to 8 different layers so far.  I've got to the stage where I'm working on the internal sides, with slopes, which meet, and I'm doing my best to remember O-Level trig!  I'm standing on the shoulders of giants here, with advice from Bob Jones and the contributors to the etching thread, to whom: thank you.

 

Richard

 

More power to your elbow with this etch design. I'm still putting off taking the plunge... there are too many hobbies within this hobby of ours!

 

Not modelling related, but I had the pleasure of firing one of the Backworth RSH saddletanks similar to the one in your photo - No. 47 - when it visited Embsay 5 or 6 years ago. (Maybe your next etch design could be for one of these?)

Alas we don't have a rake of coal trucks, but I did manage a rare outing on a goods train with it:

 

[Geordie Exile]

24 minutes ago, Nick Mitchell said:

 

Maybe your next etch design could be for one of these?

Walk before I run! As @Kylestrome's demonstrated, I've barely got to grips with straight lines.  Curves are for the grown-ups 

[Geordie Exile]

2 hours ago, Nick Mitchell said:

I had the pleasure of firing one of the Backworth RSH saddletanks similar to the one in your photo - No. 47 - when it visited Embsay 5 or 6 years ago.

 

P.S.  Here she is when she had a proper job, shoogling wagons around at 'my' pit!

Photo credit: Sassaby/Flickr

 

[2mm Andy]

1 hour ago, Geordie Exile said:

Walk before I run! As @Kylestrome's demonstrated, I've barely got to grips with straight lines.  Curves are for the grown-ups 

 

What you've done so far looks really good but I must admit that I think you're brave to choose a hopper wagon for your first wagon etch design project. I've done a few etch designs for wagons (or bits of wagons) over the past few years and have slowly got the hang of it (mostly by making different mistakes on each project!). My current project is a NER P5/P17 mineral wagon (one of these which has vertical sides/ends but with a wooden hopper inside), and there are bits of it making my brain hurt!

 

Andy

Edited January 21, 2021 by 2mm Andy

[Geordie Exile]

4 minutes ago, 2mm Andy said:

 

What you've done so far looks really good but I must admit that I think you're brave to choose a hopper wagon for your first wagon etch design project. I've done a few etch designs for wagons (or bits of wagons) over the past few years and have slowly got the hang of it (mostly by making different mistakes on each project!). My current project is a NER P5/P17 mineral wagon (one of these which has vertical sides/ends but with a wooden hopper inside), and there are bits of it making my brain hurt!

 

Andy

"Brave": you spelled "Foolhardy" wrong   The geometry of the internal sides is doing my head in, as evidenced by the various paper versions currently littering my desk.  But, this is the wagon I want, and I'm not on a deadline, so I'll keep plugging away.  And as I think "what else can I put on a test etch" candidates for etching keep popping up (window frames, doors, obviously, fencing too, winding wheels to replace the 3D printed ones I was so pleased with a year ago...)

[Chris Higgs]

7 hours ago, Geordie Exile said:

"Brave": you spelled "Foolhardy" wrong   The geometry of the internal sides is doing my head in, as evidenced by the various paper versions currently littering my desk.  But, this is the wagon I want, and I'm not on a deadline, so I'll keep plugging away.  And as I think "what else can I put on a test etch" candidates for etching keep popping up (window frames, doors, obviously, fencing too, winding wheels to replace the 3D printed ones I was so pleased with a year ago...)

 

Sad, to say, I gave up trying to etch hopper wagons when I realised how much quicker it was to draw them in 3D and then have them printed. Not only was the design a whole lot easier, but they don't need any building (well, the body at least). Most of those mind-bending thoughts on shapes of hopper parts are nothing more than the intersection of two simple rectangles projected in the X and Y planes.

 

Chris

Edited January 22, 2021 by Chris Higgs

[Jim T]

Chris,

 

Are you using OpenSCAD there?

What’s the plan for axle guards? The etched Association ones 2-312 to 2-315??
 

Nice looking CAD work :-)

 

Cheers

Jim

[Chris Higgs]

4 hours ago, Jim T said:

Chris,

 

Are you using OpenSCAD there?

What’s the plan for axle guards? The etched Association ones 2-312 to 2-315??
 

Nice looking CAD work :-)

 

Cheers

Jim

 

It will get a custom etched chassis as the brakegear on these wagons is quite specialised.

 

It is OpenSCAD but I typically draw side, end and sometimes top elevations in TurboCAD, export as DXF and let the intersection magic of OpenSCAD turn them into a 3D object.

 

This post demonstrates the general concept of this approach:

 

 

 

 

Chris

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Chris Higgs