RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 29, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2013 All extant 4w (ie not 0-4-0 rod drive) according to uklocos.com Rolls Royce 10226 /1965 Ribble Railway Rolls Royce 10282 /1968 Enterprise Ribble Railway Rolls Royce 10283 /1968 Progress Ribble Railway The Ribble Railway locos are in regular use shifting bitumen tanks between the exchange sidings near to Strand Road/Riversway and the Lanstar works in Preston Docks. I must have a go at modifying a Hornby model with shortened fuel tank, thicker buffer beams and air compressor box... Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Some picture of sentinel Denise out at burngullow stored. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 All extant 4w (ie not 0-4-0 rod drive) according to uklocos.comSentinel 10003 /1959 H001 Locomotion, DurhamSentinel 10007 /1959 4 AJR Birch, KentSentinel 10012 /1959 Ayrshire RPSSentinel 10023 /1960 7 Katie Crossley Evans, West YorkshireSentinel 10029 /1960 P403D Denise Imery Clay Co, CornwallSentinel 10037 /1960 H055 British Energy, LancashireSentinel 10040 /1960 7 Kingsbury EMR Ltd, WarwickshireThomas Hill / Sentinel 103C /1960 Foxfield Light RailwaySentinel 10070 /1961 H003 Rosedale Tata Steel, FlintshireSentinel 10077 /1961 Locomotion, DurhamSentinel 10159 /1963 Les Forster Rushden HTCSentinel 10175 /1964 DH16 West Somerset RailwaySentinel 10177 /1964 H057 / DL2 Tata Steel, FlintshireRolls Royce 10198 /1965 Jamo Orb Steel Term, GwentRolls Royce 10199 /1964 Cattewater East Somerset RailwayRolls Royce 10222 /1965 10222 Peter J Griffiths Llanelli and Mynydd Mawr RailwayRolls Royce 10226 /1965 Ribble RailwayRolls Royce 10229 /1965 Astontrack, DurhamRolls Royce 10232 /1965 2 Weardale RailwayRolls Royce 10241 /1966 Bluebell RailwayRolls Royce 10252 /1966 2 Ice Cream SCS Ltd, DorsetThomas Hill / Sentinel 189C /1967 Davy Markham, South YorkshireRolls Royce 10280 /1968 H058 British Energy, DurhamRolls Royce 10282 /1968 Enterprise Ribble RailwayRolls Royce 10283 /1968 Progress Ribble Railway Thanks for the info always good see what they are doing now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted December 29, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 29, 2013 The decoder is already available, it would be interesting to know how many have been sold so far! Think I will simply rip out all of the wiring / socket and hard wire a known reliable decoder in place rather than risk the Hornby one given the limitations or incompatibilities of much of their dcc stuff. Have just finished fitting a Digitrax DZ125 into my NCB blue loco. It fits nicely into the "decoder box" inside the model but I suspect anything much bigger than this decoder will be a bit of a struggle. I left the 4 pin plug wiring in place as supplied but removed the blanking plate and soldered the (shortened) leads of the decoder directly to the pins of the plug provided. This means the pins could always be cleaned up if the decoder is removed and used in the way intended by Hornby in future. I felt it was slightly easier than cutting the wiring short before the plug and soldering wires end to end but that is just my opinion. There was enough room provided in the box for the decoder and the plug including wiring - just. I suspect that if lights are to be added, which I will probably do in future, then the extra wiring and connections will probably necessitate removing the 4 pin plug altogether and soldering the loco wires and decoder wires directly end to end. Reassembling the model and getting the handrails back in the right slots was a bit fiddly but not a major issue. The loco runs smoothly and I think it looks really great on my quarry layout. The NCB marking are going to be removed and it will be weathered but it looks so nice that I think i will leave the base colour as dark blue. Overall I am very pleased with this model - good for Hornby (even if I did have to wait nearly 12 months from order!). Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 29, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2013 All extant 4w (ie not 0-4-0 rod drive) according to uklocos.com Sentinel 10003 /1959 H001 Locomotion, Durham Sentinel 10007 /1959 4 AJR Birch, Kent Sentinel 10012 /1959 Ayrshire RPS Sentinel 10023 /1960 7 Katie Crossley Evans, West Yorkshire Sentinel 10029 /1960 P403D Denise Imery Clay Co, Cornwall Sentinel 10037 /1960 H055 British Energy, Lancashire Sentinel 10040 /1960 7 Kingsbury EMR Ltd, Warwickshire Thomas Hill / Sentinel 103C /1960 Foxfield Light Railway Sentinel 10070 /1961 H003 Rosedale Tata Steel, Flintshire Sentinel 10077 /1961 Locomotion, Durham Sentinel 10159 /1963 Les Forster Rushden HTC Sentinel 10175 /1964 DH16 West Somerset Railway Sentinel 10177 /1964 H057 / DL2 Tata Steel, Flintshire Rolls Royce 10198 /1965 Jamo Orb Steel Term, Gwent Rolls Royce 10199 /1964 Cattewater East Somerset Railway Rolls Royce 10222 /1965 10222 Peter J Griffiths Llanelli and Mynydd Mawr Railway Rolls Royce 10226 /1965 Ribble Railway Rolls Royce 10229 /1965 Astontrack, Durham Rolls Royce 10232 /1965 2 Weardale Railway Rolls Royce 10241 /1966 Bluebell Railway Rolls Royce 10252 /1966 2 Ice Cream SCS Ltd, Dorset Thomas Hill / Sentinel 189C /1967 Davy Markham, South Yorkshire Rolls Royce 10280 /1968 H058 British Energy, Durham Rolls Royce 10282 /1968 Enterprise Ribble Railway Rolls Royce 10283 /1968 Progress Ribble Railway TH 189C isn't a Sentinel diesel, the C suffix indicates that it is a rebuilt steam loco, quite different style to the diesels. Incidentally I remember this loco from my lorry driving days in 1976, the driver was very proud of it and kept it sparkling clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matabiau Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 It would be interesting to reproduce Denise as shown above with her graffiti and the little paw prints on the buffers! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 How many of these type of Sentinels are in use today (i.e. the type that Hornby made) and does anyone have images of them? I can't access flickr so that was a blow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hippo Posted December 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 30, 2013 The Ribble steam railway has 3 I think, used on revenue earning bitumen trains http://www.ribblesteam.org.uk/ Cheers Owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercity125 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 It would be interesting to reproduce Denise as shown above with her graffiti and the little paw prints on the buffers! I was thinking the same. There's a member on here (richard37670) who purchased an NCB version (see earlier posting a couple of pages back) who plans to respray her into the orange livery and make her into Denise. I'm not sure if he is intending to add the graffiti, but what a challenge that would be.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Called in to Digitrains on Saturday for a chat with the lads and noticed they had a couple in stock, a Blue one and a Red one. They only have a blue one now! Ha ha. So, after getting it home, I set about fitting a ZIMO sound decoder and speaker. I don't like seeing decoders, wires or speakers visible after a sound installation and fortunately I was able to fit all I needed within the hidden parts of the model. So, from any angle, the model looks identical to how it did straight out of the box. Well pleased! Kind regards, Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hippo Posted December 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 30, 2013 Hi Paul could you put some pictures up of the installation, as I would love to do something similar just not sure how to go about it . Thanks Owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90733 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Just picked up the last NCB one from my local model shop today. Saw my friends yesterday, which is now EM.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Sound-fitted Sentinel video here shortly. Paul 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Sound-fitted Sentinel video here shortly. Paul Your video just popped up on my YouTube subscription box! Wow! It sounds amazing! You have done an excellent job! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Your video just popped up on my YouTube subscription box! Wow! It sounds amazing! You have done an excellent job! Thank you. I saw your comment before I had finished putting my description in! Actually, all windscreen wipers are attached, but the front pair are set at different angles to each other, pretty much like many real ones I've been on. Full mark to Hornby for authenticity, Ha ha!! Funny you should mention wipers, though, as that is one of the sounds in the project. Kind regards, Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Thank you. I saw your comment before I had finished putting my description in! Actually, all windscreen wipers are attached, but the front pair are set at different angles to each other, pretty much like many real ones I've been on. Full mark to Hornby for authenticity, Ha ha!! Funny you should mention wipers, though, as that is one of the sounds in the project. Kind regards, Paul No problem! I am quick off the mark on YouTube. Mine was at that angle too, until it fell off! It was not really on the windscreen, but on the part of the body bellow it. Just hope I can get mine sorted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 No, mine are firmly glued in place and both are on the 'glass'. I did dislodge one of the front marker lamps, though to be fair, that was due to my banana fingers and rush to see what room I had to play with. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Here's a short video of the new Hornby Sentinel to which I have added a ZIMO sound decoder and speaker. It's just the first 'rush' and I've not displayed any of the ancillary sounds, like windscreen wipers, wagon buffering etc. Suffice to say the project has many of the sounds associated with these locos and their typical applications. Paul 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercity125 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Thanks pauliebanger for uploading the sound clip. It really brings the model to life. Looking forward to your next clip with the buffering up and wipers sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I rather like the Ribble ones- two of the three based there have been there "from new" and are still doing more or less the job they were bought for. Would be interesting to see the Hornby one modified to represent one of the trio in it's current state. Anyway, I gave into temptation today and popped into Antics' warehouse shop and came away with a Cattedown one. Must admit I'm quite impressed with it- although it does look a little plastic in certain (bright!) lights, which the blue livery (being a "heavier" colour) doesn't seem to suffer from. I think I might disassemble it at some point and paint the insides of the body, & possibly the inside of the side plates to try and stop the shine through effect. It does highlight just how thin & how detailed the side plates are though! Mine aren't perfectly lined up with the cabsides (I'm wondering if they could actually be attached to & removed with the cab instead of to the footplate?) but it doesn't detract too much. I bought a Lenz silver mini with it, which will obviously have to be hard wired- but I've been really impressed with the slow speed performance of the Lenz chips in my Bachmann steam locos so I'm hoping it'll do the trick with this too. I took a couple of snaps on "Cranogwen", my WR BLT (which is doesn't fit in with in the slightest of course), not the best but everyone likes pictures! & for a size comparison with the common or garden 16 tonner; I hadn't registered quite how small it was: Don't pay too much attention to the colours- again, my 'phone camera makes a complete hash of the red, it's a lot better with the naked eye. Not helped that the lighting in the railway room is terrible. Suppose I need some 70's era tank wagons now- and a blue diesel to work in with them... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I rather like the Ribble ones- two of the three based there have been there "from new" and are still doing more or less the job they were bought for. Would be interesting to see the Hornby one modified to represent one of the trio in it's current state. Anyway, I gave into temptation today and popped into Antics' warehouse shop and came away with a Cattedown one. Must admit I'm quite impressed with it- although it does look a little plastic in certain (bright!) lights, which the blue livery (being a "heavier" colour) doesn't seem to suffer from. I think I might disassemble it at some point and paint the insides of the body, & possibly the inside of the side plates to try and stop the shine through effect. It does highlight just how thin & how detailed the side plates are though! Mine aren't perfectly lined up with the cabsides (I'm wondering if they could actually be attached to & removed with the cab instead of to the footplate?) but it doesn't detract too much. I bought a Lenz silver mini with it, which will obviously have to be hard wired- but I've been really impressed with the slow speed performance of the Lenz chips in my Bachmann steam locos so I'm hoping it'll do the trick with this too. I took a couple of snaps on "Cranogwen", my WR BLT (which is doesn't fit in with in the slightest of course), not the best but everyone likes pictures! & for a size comparison with the common or garden 16 tonner; I hadn't registered quite how small it was: Don't pay too much attention to the colours- again, my 'phone camera makes a complete hash of the red, it's a lot better with the naked eye. Not helped that the lighting in the railway room is terrible. Suppose I need some 70's era tank wagons now- and a blue diesel to work in with them... That's very small! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike tugsandsheds Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm waiting for two Green ones. Etched Plates from Narrow Planet ready. Just need some La Farge Transfers to go over the Tarmac logos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Here's a short video of the new Hornby Sentinel to which I have added a ZIMO sound decoder and speaker. It's just the first 'rush' and I've not displayed any of the ancillary sounds, like windscreen wipers, wagon buffering etc. Suffice to say the project has many of the sounds associated with these locos and their typical applications. Paul That great sound is there much room once the sound decoder inside I was looking to put light in mine might have get hold someone get it sorted Cheers for sharing Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Couldn't resist the blue NCB one in the Ian Allan Bookshop, these do have an addictive quality. I'm not one for taking a model to bits as soon as I get it home but one of the cab side windows was dislodged so my hand was forced. It all came apart as shown and the glazing was quickly reseated, although I'll second the comment that the inner handrails are a bit of a fiddle. I think I'll mate this with the Bachmann Modelzone NCB 16T mineral wagons I have lurking somewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 & for a size comparison with the common or garden 16 tonner; I hadn't registered quite how small it was: They where designed so they could be turned if necessary on wagon turntables 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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