RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2014 I think Hornby have been caught by surprise at the popularity of this locomotive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I hope so Phil, that would certainly encourage more in an industrial vein. It's a lovely little loco and they've priced it right, it's at a near impulse purchase level (well as close as an RTR loco could ever be) tempting in buyers who would otherwise have passed it by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I'd second the usefulness of a plain-livery model (although point taken: not that much to remove on some of the current models as it is) - better yet, presumably there was a Sentinel demonstrator livery for the first few? And 10003/1959 looks to have had a nice Bass livery by 1961, too . I suspect Hornby now have their higher-spec J94/Austerity tank diesel equivalent that they can keep on the range in various liveries and modifications (maybe a Vanguard cab as well as the rod version) for years to come. It's an excellent choice, but my guess would be that will be it from them for new diesel industrials for quite some time. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Ultrascale have now updated, with better news, as regards P4 conversion: http://www.ultrascale.com/node/37 Fingers crossed although there will always be other ways of doing it. Now available for Special order in a very limited batch in EM and P4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 hello everyone i like sentinel shunter but dont like colour and possible respary yellow ? thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Hi Andrew, Yes, it can be resprayed yellow. If you follow this link to an earlier posting you will see my red Esso version sprayed yellow. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/65710-Hornby-sentinel-at-last/?p=1304500 Arthur 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mr Nik Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'd second the usefulness of a plain-livery model (although point taken: not that much to remove on some of the current models as it is) - better yet, presumably there was a Sentinel demonstrator livery for the first few? And 10003/1959 looks to have had a nice Bass livery by 1961, too . I suspect Hornby now have their higher-spec J94/Austerity tank diesel equivalent that they can keep on the range in various liveries and modifications (maybe a Vanguard cab as well as the rod version) for years to come. It's an excellent choice, but my guess would be that will be it from them for new diesel industrials for quite some time. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong though... Looking at many images i think the NCB one is pretty close to a standard or demonstrator livery as you will get. It's almost the same as the MSC ones in Don Thorpe's book, dark blue with a yellow-black-yellow band along the waist. this image shows it nicely: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rob50037/11938066456/ There is also an image in the book of an 0-6-0 rod driven loco in that livery as MSC 3001, works number 10144. The dark blue is also similar to an image of an 0-6-0 rod-driven version shown on page 40 of Maurice Dart's 'Cornish China Clay Trains in Colour' It's the prevalence of this livery that has led me to pre-order one from LIverpool, sadly mine wasn't sent out in the first batch that arrived and i'm waiting on a second delivery. In the meantime i bought an Esso one, just because... Hope this helps , Nik. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2014 The standard factory colour was green. The three London Transport 0-6-0's were in this colour, LT simply added the transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mr Nik Posted February 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2014 The standard factory colour was green. The three London Transport 0-6-0's were in this colour, LT simply added the transfers. Is there a reason for the apparent prevalence of the dark blue with the striping then Phil? Is it a standard colour or merely a coincidence? Ta in advance, Nik. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2014 Is there a reason for the apparent prevalence of the dark blue with the striping then Phil? Is it a standard colour or merely a coincidence? Ta in advance, Nik. They may have had a set of 'standard' colours. The London one's were second hand and re-furbished by Sentinel so it could have been that the 'standard' colour had changed or just the colour that was available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Thanks. That seems fair enough and it's useful - green also appears quite common with some of the steam types. One of the images of the Bass Sentinel has lining similar to the Hornby Esso one; to me the LT green ones don't quite match the Hornby Tarmac shade, but all three colours look plausible as standards. Really I'd love to see a colour image of the very first one on the Shropshire and Montgomeryshire in MOD service in 1959 for maximum potential might-have-been (short of looking at their archives?), but you can't have everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Its possible to get all the Sentinel variants at present, that is, if you're willing to pay "list" (ie Hornby webshop) price and look about a bit. Who'd have thought that Amazon would have had a stock of the previously unreleased Tarmac version? And Hornby is currently offering all versions for immediate delivery. Given, if you've pre-ordered from conventional suppliers after the first batch sold out, especially for a good price, then you'll still be waiting. But given that Hattons predicted "after the 24th February" and that Hornby seem to have stock, then the probability is that we'll get what we want! *fingers crossed* My Tarmac liveried Sentinel arrived from Amazon yesterday. To say that I'm impressed with the model would be putting it politely! I've just had a browse through that auction site - some weathered red and blue Sentinels around the 80 quid mark, a couple at Hornby List, and two "Holden 101" tanl locos that Hornby named "Sentinel" (R854) at vastly inflated prices! There's an Esso one there right now for £55 post free..... Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crantock Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Well I am still waiting for my pre-ordered Tarmac from Sept. Hattons last email said on or after the 24th so any day now i should get.........another email pushing it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Well I am still waiting for my pre-ordered Tarmac from Sept. Hattons last email said on or after the 24th so any day now i should get.........another email pushing it back. If Hattons DO push it back, Amazon has 5 MORE Tarmac Sentinels in stock (there's an NCB too), admittedly now at 10 quid more than Hattons, although Amazon will deliver free. Its swings and roundabouts with added instant gratification..... But if Amazon is getting stock, then its probable that Hattons will have some too and be able to service their pre-orders in the next couple of days! Always look on the bright side of life! departs whistling...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted February 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2014 If Hattons DO push it back, Amazon has 5 MORE Tarmac Sentinels in stock (there's an NCB too), admittedly now at 10 quid more than Hattons, although Amazon will deliver free. Its swings and roundabouts with added instant gratification..... But if Amazon is getting stock, then its probable that Hattons will have some too and be able to service their pre-orders in the next couple of days! Always look on the bright side of life! departs whistling...... Anyone have an idea as to why/how Amazon seems to be getting these before the regular model shops? Isn't Hornby supposed to be supporting "bricks and mortar" shops? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Anyone have an idea as to why/how Amazon seems to be getting these before the regular model shops? Isn't Hornby supposed to be supporting "bricks and mortar" shops? Hornby now appear to prefer supporting their concessions or their own web shop first. Some models are available this route earlier or in more quantity than through the Small Independents. No doubt Amazon are treated as a concession as they are not discounting and can shift decent volumes. Even Hattons and the other bulk but model shops do not seem to get preferential treatment any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted February 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2014 Hornby now appear to prefer supporting their concessions or their own web shop first. Some models are available this route earlier or in more quantity than through the Small Independents. No doubt Amazon are treated as a concession as they are not discounting and can shift decent volumes. Even Hattons and the other bulk but model shops do not seem to get preferential treatment any more. At the moment the Sentinels on Amazon appear to be at full price (insofar as there is such a thing these days) but I'm pretty sure I saw one of them (the Tarmac one?) at £45 at one point. Of course Amazon being what it is, there's no knowing if tomorrow some or all will drop to £45 or less, only to go up again apparently at random. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OOgaugeJaf Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 None to be seen at Glasgow today. I want an NCB and Tarmac version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Purchased the Esso red Sentinel yesterday really impressed with it! It will hopefully make it's debut at the oil depot on Croxley WRD at the Acton Depot Open Weekend next month. XF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 At the moment the Sentinels on Amazon appear to be at full price (insofar as there is such a thing these days) but I'm pretty sure I saw one of them (the Tarmac one?) at £45 at one point. Of course Amazon being what it is, there's no knowing if tomorrow some or all will drop to £45 or less, only to go up again apparently at random. When the Tarmacs were first noticed, they were at £47 (and a bit). When they sold out, they could be back-ordered at £45 (annoyed me slightly!), and when they came back into stock, they were at £55.99. If you had pre-ordered at £45, you'd have got one for that. I see that there's not been any movement in Amazon stock levels since the Sentinels re-stocked, perhaps people are hanging back until the 24th to see what happens? :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2014 Details on conversion to P4 using the new Ultrascale drop-in wheels on my blog here - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/21/entry-13402-Hornby-sentinel-converted-to-p4/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted February 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2014 I see that there's not been any movement in Amazon stock levels since the Sentinels re-stocked, perhaps people are hanging back until the 24th to see what happens? Hattons are still saying they are expected on the 24th, so I think the answer to what might happen on the 24th is not a lot. And yes, they do say 2014! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Hattons are still saying they are expected on the 24th, so I think the answer to what might happen on the 24th is not a lot. And yes, they do say 2014! Spoke to Hattons (ok, emailed them) yesterday, they "expect" stock by the end of the week, dispatch to follow.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Hi, very tempted by the red one, reminds me of the little loco that used to be at Hilsea gas works near Portsmouth! But I am a bit worried it will look plasticy? does it? Also, Hattons don't seem to have any in stock but are offering them at £45 which seems good, anywhere else doing a good deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Hi, very tempted by the red one, reminds me of the little loco that used to be at Hilsea gas works near Portsmouth! But I am a bit worried it will look plasticy? does it? Also, Hattons don't seem to have any in stock but are offering them at £45 which seems good, anywhere else doing a good deal. Yes, the red one does under certain lighting look a tad plasticky but is actually not so bad. I have a blue one and that looks ok but will have to be repainted after making the basic bodywork corrections such as losing the vertical join in the side sheet below the cab front and filling and facing the frame sides which are an all-welded assembly on the prototype. This has all been well-covered before in this thread I think. Hattons have a blanket £4 per order postage charge but I got mine from Amazon for a bit under what I would have paid Hattons. However, if I had several items to order from them to come as one consignment then I would happily, as i have done in the past, go to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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