RMweb Gold Corbs Posted February 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, gr.king said: It may be possible to fit model V2 valve gear "as it comes" to a model P2 and get it to work without jamming, but it will not look right as items such as the combination lever and the expansion link, which ought to stand upright at their mid-points of movement, will be permanently pushed-over at an angle, giving the gear a squashed-up, zig-zag appearance, and the reversing lever will simply be in the wrong place, quite possibly over the face of a coupled wheel - an impossible location in real loco. That was my finding with the V2 gear, Graeme. I couldn't get it to sit level and look right when the wheels rotated. If I'm honest I am just trying to find a 'quick fix' because I fear etched valve gear and feel I would just make a hashed up job of it. Edited February 6, 2019 by Corbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Hattons have the glossy version P2s now selling off at £ 132 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2019 10 hours ago, DonnyRailMan said: Hattons have the glossy version P2s now selling off at £ 132 Derails sell it at £119 http://www.derails.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1399 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 hours ago, melmerby said: Derails sell it at £119 http://www.derails.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1399 Even better prices . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I don't wish to rain on anyone's party, but the price of these seems to have been dropping on ebay for a while. A couple of weeks ago I picked up a mint, probably never run, full spec version for £75, only £3 more than I paid for a new Railroad version some years ago. Both nonetheless I consider to be great value! John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Tomlinson said: I don't wish to rain on anyone's party, but the price of these seems to have been dropping on ebay for a while. A couple of weeks ago I picked up a mint, probably never run, full spec version for £75, only £3 more than I paid for a new Railroad version some years ago. Both nonetheless I consider to be great value! John. The ones posted above are the special limited edition ones not the normal full spec ones and S/H ones are nearly always lower, whatever the condition. ebay doesn't seem to have any really cheapo new ones at the moment, some S/H are actually more than the Derails price. Edited June 17, 2019 by melmerby missed out a qualification words! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Keith, I hadn't twigged there was a third level in the hierarchy, being the limited edition gloss ones. Did these have the same doubtful 3 pole motor as the others? Having clicked on the link it looks as if Derails are now sold out, I didn't check Hattons. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, John Tomlinson said: Keith, I hadn't twigged there was a third level in the hierarchy, being the limited edition gloss ones. Did these have the same doubtful 3 pole motor as the others? Having clicked on the link it looks as if Derails are now sold out, I didn't check Hattons. John. Didn't notice the "sold out" in small print! I bought the R3207 version when it was new and I don't think I paid anywhere near £100 AFAIK the motors are all the same. Mine was bit rough to start with but got better with age. Now it is OK. It is a pity the "Main range" version wasn't really that, just the RR version with better lining and etched plates. A full fat version with proper detailling, a 5 pole motor & tender pickups would be really something. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2019 Hoping this is ok Andy as I’m not advertising for sale but I’ve got one of the Gloss A4’s I’m thinking of selling. What would people suggest as a good price to advertise it for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Fitted the 5 pole X9108 to my TTS verson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 15 hours ago, melmerby said: Didn't notice the "sold out" in small print! I bought the R3207 version when it was new and I don't think I paid anywhere near £100 AFAIK the motors are all the same. Mine was bit rough to start with but got better with age. Now it is OK. It is a pity the "Main range" version wasn't really that, just the RR version with better lining and etched plates. A full fat version with proper detailling, a 5 pole motor & tender pickups would be really something. A full fat version would be very welcome – especially one with an A4-style nose. I got a TTS one which has the extra pick ups in the tender. I got a replacement motor (the original was awful) and a decent decoder but it has decided that it doesn’t want to run, although it makes noises. The problem with Hornby’s P2 is that it came at a time when Hornby models were starting to crawl out of the “Design Clever” swamp but hadn’t yet got back to decent standards. The P2 chassis is designed to take the later type of body. It was a good piece of forward thinking but I think we need Hornby to start again from scratch with this. One good thing is that Hornby seems to manage LNER green quite well. Its BR and GWR greens still tend to be hit and miss and even at their best don’t rise to Bachmann standards. It struck me as odd that Hornby did a set of four LNER locomotives in gloss: Gresley A1, A3, A4 and P2. The P2 came nowhere near the standard of the other three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, No Decorum said: [Snip] One good thing is that Hornby seems to manage LNER green quite well. Its BR and GWR greens still tend to be hit and miss and even at their best don’t rise to Bachmann standards. I'll be honest I've found some of Hornby's LNER green Locos in recent years to be as "flushed out" as their BR/GWR green. I have a Claud Hamilton in LNER Lined Green, and it is an awful rendition compared to Bachmann's 4771 Green Arrow. Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 01/01/2013 at 19:35, Dick Turpin said: Once the original P2 has been done (to a very high standard and sold in numbers beyond expectation) a second phase of production featuring the Bugatti nose will repeat the already high sales of phase one. On 01/01/2013 at 19:35, Dick Turpin said: Sadly we are all still waiting for the Bugatti nose version here in 2019. Come on Hornby pull your finger out , we want a Bugatti P2. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 01/07/2013 at 08:57, HornbyFAN said: Another good pic of the pre-production sample of the P2! https://twitter.com/Hornby/status/350630581203255297/photo/1 Hmm it would look good in black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 If anyone is after a cheapish Railroad one. They've got the "split from set" version at Hattons for £70. https://www.hattons.co.uk/270024/hornby_r1183loco_class_p2_2_8_2_2001_cock_o_the_north_in_lner_green_split_from_set/stockdetail.aspx Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, DonnyRailMan said: Come on Hornby pull your finger out , we want a Bugatti P2. IIR the P2 was blighted (to a certain extent) by the "Design Clever" ethos of the time. It'd be nice to see a "Bugatti" P2 with valvegear, but it'd be well over the £200 price mark as they wouldn't try to foist Design Clever on modellers now, especially as we've had the plain and streamlined Princess Coronations, and the due "sometime soon" Princess Royals. And there certainly wouldn't be parallel Railroad and Full Fat releases either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I wouldn't be surprised if they revisited it when the new build is running about. There will be a load of people who want one that didn't really want a COTN. Looks good with the boiler cladding fitted. No boiler yet though. https://www.p2steam.com/ Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: I wouldn't be surprised if they revisited it when the new build is running about. There will be a load of people who want one that didn't really want a COTN. Looks good with the boiler cladding fitted. No boiler yet though. https://www.p2steam.com/ Jason I hope Hornby are not waiting for the one being built here In the town with the Bugatti nose, more chance of us all growing a third set of teath LOL. Edited June 19, 2019 by DonnyRailMan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 A number of people who "have a go" or who pay others to do so already have a Bugatti-nosed Hornby P2 with Walschaerts valve gear, or several such locos in one particular case. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) They do look good when photo-edited.... photo created from pic of Hornby 2001 and other public domain images with PSP6 software. Will remove if required. Edited June 19, 2019 by robmcg 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I prefer them after Thompson got his hands on them personally. Not a popular opinion with some I know. For some reason it looks more slender, possibly because of the small driving wheels. Photo from Wiki Commons by Ben Brookshank. Jason 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 The Gresley P2 is a silk parse and the Thompson is awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 The only place the Thomson one looks 'wrong', apart from dropping a pair of drivers, is the cylinders are too far back for visual 'balance' IMHO. Otherwise, it's growing on me somehow!! I still prefer 'the original'. Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 15 hours ago, DonnyRailMan said: I hope Hornby are not waiting for the one being built here In the town with the Bugatti nose, more chance of us all growing a third set of teath LOL. I'm still staggered that there has not been any cross pollination between the two groups, the savings on batched parts could have been significant for both. OK personally I think that the P2SLT has made a strange choice in building "the next one in the series" but to look like the first built, instead of continuing the breed in evolution as it did back then. Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-fan Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 One of my TTS P2 locomotives was wired like some of the Castle class with a factory short in the loco blowing the TTS decoder when powered up. The tender wiring and 8-pin connector are OK so the short is in the loco chassis itself. Still a nice analogue runner. I had three P2 (a Railroad and two TTS models) and all ran smoothly with the stock three-pole motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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