Nearholmer Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 TBH, I’m not totally sure that I’d be delighted if told that a 50ft high viaduct was to be built right in front of my house (is it actually 50ft tall?), but even if I was campaigning against one I would try hard not to come across as a bumpkin with a straw in my mouth, who had had never seen a viaduct before, and thought it was the work of the devil. Regarding ‘property blight’, my BiL and SiL were worried about this, given that they want to move, and their house has a grandstand view of the embankment just beyond the bridge over the Bletchley - Newton Longville road, but they’ve had no problem finding a buyer, who is well aware of the planned re-opening and deeply relaxed about it. They’re moving for multiple reasons that have nothing to do with railway reopening. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted May 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2021 Of course, trains regularly jump off viaducts all over the country - but I assume that there can be none within 50 miles of Bedford so the reporter has never seen it happen. (Where is the tongue firmly in cheek thing?) Jonathan 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 There's a number of very posh houses right up against Digswell Viaduct , which is certainly less than 50 miles from Bedford. The viaduct has been there since long before any of the current residents were born of course. I don't think any rolling stock has ever fallen off the viaduct, but in 1931 an Up train was derailed at the junction just past the end of the bridge when facing points were improperly moved under the fourth coach during resignalling work at Welwyn North. Horse shunting was still allowed at that station (though not I believe into the tunnel or onto the viaduct) https://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=390173 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Perhaps they had been influenced by the recent bridge collapse in Mexico City? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2021 Offhand I can think of very few trains coming off viaducts, Penistone and TayvBridge come to mind, both of whichbinvolved a viaduct collapse. There was a steam loco fell 30' into the streetvin Bradford after running away at Adolphus Street. More recently there was the that ended up on the North Circular near Cricklewood., after that I'm struggling. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted May 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2021 I don't think it ever worried the owner of this house - who I knew at one time. Cynghordy Viaduct on the Central Wales Line - photo grabbed from the net. Jonathan 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: Offhand I can think of very few trains coming off viaducts, Penistone and TayvBridge come to mind, both of whichbinvolved a viaduct collapse. There was a steam loco fell 30' into the streetvin Bradford after running away at Adolphus Street. More recently there was the that ended up on the North Circular near Cricklewood., after that I'm struggling. Jamie There was a collision on the junction where the lines from Bury and from Newton Heath converged above the Irk Valley (now the junction of the Metrolink Bury and Oldham lines), sending one of the trains off the viaduct. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Edwin_m said: There was a collision on the junction where the lines from Bury and from Newton Heath converged above the Irk Valley (now the junction of the Metrolink Bury and Oldham lines), sending one of the trains off the viaduct. Yup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irk_Valley_Junction_rail_crash http://danger-ahead.railfan.net/gallery/irk_valley.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnVLsEELCfY Edited May 27, 2021 by phil-b259 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2021 And of course we can't forget a Metrolink tram coming off a viaductbinto Coronstion Street in Salford. Of course that is reality to many folks. Jamie 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 49 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: And of course we can't forget a Metrolink tram coming off a viaductbinto Coronstion Street in Salford. Of course that is reality to many folks. Jamie I am sure I saw an excerpt from a documentary about the tediously grim lives of northern folk, detailing how a train fell off the same viaduct in the same place in 1967, so obviously a common problem. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) There was certainly some concern about trams falling off viaducts when I was involved in the hazard workshops for Metrolink Phase 3. I seem to recall Irk Valley Junction has a speed restriction for that very reason. Getting back a bit closer to topic, there is now a fairly authoritative fightback against the proposal to demolish a swathe of Bedford to widen the MML to six tracks for a mile or so: https://bedfordrail.wordpress.com/2021/05/22/east-west-rail-2021-consultation-wrap-up/ Edited May 28, 2021 by Edwin_m 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2021 There is actually a video on You Tube of a train being blown off a viaduct in the USA (Fairly modern) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 3 hours ago, melmerby said: There is actually a video on You Tube of a train being blown off a viaduct in the USA (Fairly modern) In Hertford, Bedford and Cambridgeshire, hurricanes hardly happen. 2 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 54 minutes ago, Edwin_m said: In Hertford, Bedford and Cambridgeshire, hurricanes hardly happen. I remember one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Edwin_m said: Getting back a bit closer to topic, there is now a fairly authoritative fightback against the proposal to demolish a swathe of Bedford to widen the MML to six tracks for a mile or so: Rebuild Bromham Road bridge from it's current two brick arches and stick a new single track from the station to where the track diverges off towards Cambridge. The land is available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted May 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, melmerby said: Rebuild Bromham Road bridge from it's current two brick arches and stick a new single track from the station to where the track diverges off towards Cambridge. The land is available You're way out of date, Bromham road bridge was rebuilt 18 months ago. The disruption to the town during its closure was terrible, and to accommodate EWR as a seperate entity it'll have to be rebuilt again. North of the bridge there isn't enough room so this is where the CPO's will mainly be. Edited May 28, 2021 by chris p bacon 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 4 hours ago, melmerby said: Rebuild Bromham Road bridge from it's current two brick arches and stick a new single track from the station to where the track diverges off towards Cambridge. The land is available According to the EWR consultation a five-track option would have little operational advantage over a four-track, and cause almost as much impact on the adjacent properties as a six-track. Having said that, the link I posted upthread suggests that EWR have made a real mess of this process and made a lot of enemies in the Bedford area. They should have provided an absolutely bomb-proof justification that six tracks were necessary before proposing extensive housing demolition based on what looks like a very flimsy justification. They should also have done some more design which might have reduced the necessary land take and property demolition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2021 4 hours ago, chris p bacon said: You're way out of date, Bromham road bridge was rebuilt 18 months ago. The disruption to the town during its closure was terrible, and to accommodate EWR as a seperate entity it'll have to be rebuilt again. North of the bridge there isn't enough room so this is where the CPO's will mainly be. I'm going to blame Google maps 3D as there is a different date image on the Maps and Pro versions Maps has the arch bridges and Pro has the new slab. Both are the same at street view. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Video East West Rail | Progress on Bletchley flyover revealed | New Civil Engineer https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/east-west-rail-progress-on-bletchley-flyover-revealed-11-06-2021/ 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 They seem to work a bit quicker at that site, than they did on the Kings X video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artless Bodger Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 On 27/05/2021 at 12:27, jamie92208 said: Offhand I can think of very few trains coming off viaducts, Penistone and TayvBridge come to mind, both of whichbinvolved a viaduct collapse. There was a steam loco fell 30' into the streetvin Bradford after running away at Adolphus Street. More recently there was the that ended up on the North Circular near Cricklewood., after that I'm struggling. Jamie Bexley, 1997, spoil train derailed and some wagons fell off the viaduct, admittedly a low one. https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1JZAP_enGB845GB846&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=bexley+derailment&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpqpPl6ZTxAhXGX8AKHbsOC-cQjJkEegQICRAC 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 1E BoY Posted June 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2021 Monday saw the closure of Buckingham Road to allow the fitting of beams across the carriageway and diversions will remain in place for some five weeks. The main footpath remains open to allow pedestrian access between east and west Bletchley. Over the last 24 hours the first section which adjoins the original retained section at the south end of Bletchley station has been installed, one beam nearest the camera remained to be fitted by mid-afternoon. I am told the next section will be across Buckingham Road from the new section to the next pier. 12 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 1E BoY Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 Week 2 of Buckingham Road closure and work has begun on installing the beams on the second section. High winds resulted in the other 8 beams being deferred until tomorrow (4 are in place). I understand that the next section using longer beams across the dual carriageway is planned to take place on Friday / Saturday. 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarsityJim Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Does anybody have any pictures of work elsewhere along the line? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, VarsityJim said: Does anybody have any pictures of work elsewhere along the line? Go back 3 or 4 pages. . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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