robmcg Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Hi Rob Jenkinson says 46228 had its smokebox done 1/57, and was blue from 1950, repainted green 8/55, and red 6/58. So if those dates are correct, the sloping smokebox/green combination was fine for about 19-20 months. Hope that helps. Iain Thankyou Iain, I much prefer this version of history to the Irwell book! This 19-20 month period will allow a lovely portrait of 46228 with blood-and- custard Staniers at speed. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) So, sloping smokebox 46228 with a 1955-56 'Royal Scot'... at a time when Staniers I think were added to Mk1 carriages in some photos. I like the headboard so artistic license prevails... Rob Edited January 23, 2013 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2013 That is truly a beautiful sight to wake up to on a bitterly cold January morning and entirely in keeping with a rekindled interest in Hornby Duchesses. Took my wife to the hairdressers in Tutbury yesterday morning (she is a bit fragile after a nasty viral chest infection ) and whiled away the time in visiting The Tutbury Jinny,my nearest local retailer. Was amazed to find a collection of them ,boxed,mint -mainly been on display only. Succumbed to temptation----I am a weak vessel and purchased LMS streamliner red & gold 6244 'King George VI',a Modelfair Special with etched plates. The saga doesn't end there,I'm afraid. I 'sinned' twice. Returned p.m. and purchased 6222 'Queen Mary'---LMS black,also Modelfair special,etched plates. Essentially as 'Rutland' in your masterpiece above. Well,something has to keep my Midland Compound company. It would be lonely on its own. Cheers,Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Well, these engines were after all masterpieces. In reading about them I am amazed by the skills of the design team which created them in the late 1930s. The streamlining adds a certain atmosphere of the age. The proportions of all the parts of these engines really is and was something to behold, with or without the streamlining. Not saying that other engines didn't approach the standard. The team of designers under Stanier really did hit the mark in so many ways. Bulleid might eventually equalled the Duchesses with somewhat more modern equivalents but history and other technology overtook that enterprise? Hope your wife is feeling better. Rob Edited January 23, 2013 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Thank you ,Rob,she certainly is. You are right. The thirties were the last fling of romanticism in so many ways. Engineering design was swept along by locomotive masterpieces all over the world. Chapelon in France, the DRG with the 05 and the Henschel-Wegmann Zug,In the States so many steam glories and here,in pre-war GB, Stanier and Gresley at the peak of their creative powers,with Oliver Bulleid waiting in the wings. Gresley is buried 4 miles away from where I sit . So many Gresleys in South Derbyshire. Just a few hundred yards away lives a gentleman who was an apprentice in Derby Works in 1947 and who worked on 10000 and 10001. In the other direction is Twin Rivers,a purpose built maintenance complex for servicing and maintaining today's 220 & 221 Voyagers. Soon the wires will approach Derby heralding another rail engineering advancement. Hey-- I'm living in the centre of railway history. But,as one LMS man famously said----'Theres nothing to beat our b***** Duchesses,though' All the best from a still snowbound Burton on Trent..... Ian. PS---BR MIdland Compound released tomorrow----41157, late crest,d.c. Edited January 23, 2013 by Ian Hargrave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I feel like sitting back in pub and saying, 'arrr'... I have a red 'Duchess of Devonshire' with 'streamlining', and a newly-arrived weathered maroon late crest 46244 so I think I'll be busy with one of those shortly. Never a dull moment! Not short of A3 and A4s either... when I was between 7 and 15 years old I would have been a keen spotter I think, had I been living in the UK. As it was I loved and travelled regulary behind, or rarely, actually on, the 4-8-4 'Ka' class engines of N Z Railways, which really demonstrated how to get power in a restricted loading-gauge, as well as a fair turn of speed. Nothing like the best UK locos though for graceful power and speed. Rob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) as referred to above... weathered 46244 'King George VI' with 1959 'Royal Scot'... no warning stripes, but AWS fitted, BR maroon under the work-stains... Cheers, Rob Edited January 25, 2013 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) and just to show that not everything is a train speeding through the countryside... I really like this model. Rob Edited January 27, 2013 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) and just for good measure, a frosty departure from a different angle.... Rob edit; 12/3/2012 added access hole in frame forward of cylinders Edited March 11, 2013 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 One other variation for you: 46242 City of Glasgow, as a de-streamlined engine ran with the stepped front footplate and sloping smokebox until involved in the terrible Harrow Accident in 1952. When it re-emerged after virtually total reconstuction it had a curved front footplate and full smokebox! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Griffin Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Was the Hornby model of duchess of rutland dcc ready but not advertised as such, like their early black 5's and kings from around 2002? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 No, I think the Duchesses and Kings were DCC-ready from 2005. Only the Black 5s were DCC-ready from 2002. (source; Ramsay's 7th edition.) Please note, I have today added inspection hole in chassis in recent 46244 Duchess picture (msg no.34) Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Hope everyone has lobbied Hornby to do a late crest, de streamlined, full size smokebox version in red or green (or both!). They have been to few and far between, witness the ridiculous second hand prices on ebay and the fact that NO retailers have any new ones in stock! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Griffin Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 hello, help needed again, am i right is assumeing that R2230 duchess is not dcc ready? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 According to Ramsay's R2230 was 2002-3, and Duchesses became DCC-ready during or after 2005. So R2230 is not DCC-ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Griffin Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 ok mate cheers, shoule be a simple dcc hard wire job then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Holy thread resurrections, Batman! I've been offered BNIB ex-stop stock of R2230 'Duchess of Buccleugh' 6230 in LMS red livery for less than £100. I think this deal is 'not bad'... any other comments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 That's not bad, these sell for around £90-£100 on ebay which is always a good barometer (this is prices actually achieved so a good barometer) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2020 I still use mine and it looks perfectly acceptable alongside the latest incarnation from Hornby, in my case 46256. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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